Everything happening right now is normal for the US, the only difference is 2 white people got killed this time so people started paying attention. The ones protesting are protesting Trump’s ICE when they should be protesting ICE.
You say bullshit because you feel targeted by the statement. Your type haven’t been upset before Goode because you didn’t have to face it, and it’s easy to dismiss victims that don’t look like you.
Everything? Really? That’s bold. I’ve been around for a while, and I personally can’t remember a time when 3000 armed, masked, untrained and unaccountable thugs were let loose by the federal government on individual cities to openly terrorize, incite, and murder the general population.
It can’t be more clear that he’s trying to normalize this. His message is that we shouldn’t do anything and just let happen because we didn’t do anything before this.
But really he’s just desperate that we don’t fight back. He wants Russia and China to win through Trump decimating the US.
I think it’s more likely that they are trying to break through the walls of capitalist propaganda and make people realize that the USA has always been fascist-oriented and that getting rid of this latest symptom (Trump) will not fix that. After all, fascism is imperialism turned inward. We desperately need a wholesale movement away from capitalism and towards socialism to actually ensure that fascism cannot rise again.
How about the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, Syria, Yemen, Palestine, Sudan, Myanmar, or any of the other countless places where US capitalism has incited genocide, murder, rape, and torture. Or is it only fascism when it happens inside our borders to white people?
Does America have sordid events in her history? Yes.
But to take a “same shit, different day” stance isn’t just myopic, it assists the present admin by attempting to place the actions of the day in the “normal” zone.
The white people part breaks the inertia, the dismissiveness, the head in the sand aspect OP is referring to.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement are just out doing immigration and customs enforcement things, right? Right up until they shoot two white people in the head.
We’re talking broad strokes perception management here. Most of the public doesn’t have time, inclination is separate, to dig in like the people of Lemmy or the still earnest corners of Reddit, or the journalist/HCR/Robert Reich essay writing corner of Substack.
They vaguely know Immigration & Customs Enforcement are out deporting people. A layer deeper they might know it’s harassment of immigrants and that protestors are protesting. Let’s be real about what “immigrants” means to most Americans: brown people, mainly in the form of Mexicans and Haitians, are being rounded up and deported. But, for the most part, agree or disagree with immigration policy, they’re thinking Immigration & Customs Enforcement is doing that, what their name says.
Right up until someone clearly not fitting the immigrant profile is BAM shot in the head.
Why not Porter? I’m not going to try to argue that color doesn’t matter here. It does. But unlike Floyd, Porter is missing the fundamental piece that creates action like back in 2020: video. Good and Pretti had video. It’s why they target journalists first with the gas now. Video presence matters.
As for the two white people. The world is always more dismissive of women, we are forever placed in the “it’s her fault” zone, but even so. Pretti is unique because he’s also making conservative heads spin around. 2A, VA, a trade adjacent profession, a most trusted profession, an helping/service profession, and he’s a white man, the pinnacle of MAGA.
With Pretti, it’s a coffin nail on the idea that Immigration & Customs Enforcement is doing immigration and customs enforcement things. Pretti completely changes the narrative, for most.
You’re wrong about this. It’s a reasonable position during the first Trump presidency, but under this one it is not “equal opportunity oppression”. White people of privilege being murdered in the streets by cops isn’t the new equality… It’s the new ceiling. It doesn’t mean everyone else has new company in the oppression floor, it means everyone now at the bottom will be shoved into darker depths than some might imagine.
You realize that all working class folks, internationally, are your peers? And you just spat on ~300 million people, many of whom are suffering and many if not most of whom didn’t vote for that suffering. Have some compassion and solidarity for fucks sake. Did you wish the same thing on Greek people when their economy collapsed?
The Greek didn’t cause death and misery to every country on the globe across their much, much older history. Compared to a nation founded on racism, death, and greed, they’re literal saints.
Oh shit, it’s one of those “anti-imperialist” takes again where they only consider the US and ignore everyone else’s imperialism. Big yawn. You realize this is 100% parroting Russian propaganda invented in the Soviet days, right? Go ask the Eastern bloc countries if they weren’t imperialist. Yes, America bad but don’t make it your whole personality 🙄
If you didn’t notice this post is about the US. But of course you are so enlightened that you are impervious to any form of propaganda, specifically the US version
Will you name me a first world nation that wasn’t built on 2 out of 3 of those things? Are your politicians and billionaires also saints? Why are you going on like this after I brought up compassion and solidarity for other people in your socioeconomic class despite their nation of origin? Am I a greedy racist killer because my great great whatever grandfather had no option but to leave where he was for whatever reason (famine, war, oppression)?
I am really interested in your answers to these questions, because they are meant to be collaborative, despite what seems like your insistence to be antagonistic.
Everything happening right now is normal for the US, the only difference is 2 white people got killed this time so people started paying attention. The ones protesting are protesting Trump’s ICE when they should be protesting ICE.
This is such bullshit
You say bullshit because you feel targeted by the statement. Your type haven’t been upset before Goode because you didn’t have to face it, and it’s easy to dismiss victims that don’t look like you.
Everything? Really? That’s bold. I’ve been around for a while, and I personally can’t remember a time when 3000 armed, masked, untrained and unaccountable thugs were let loose by the federal government on individual cities to openly terrorize, incite, and murder the general population.
It can’t be more clear that he’s trying to normalize this. His message is that we shouldn’t do anything and just let happen because we didn’t do anything before this.
But really he’s just desperate that we don’t fight back. He wants Russia and China to win through Trump decimating the US.
I think it’s more likely that they are trying to break through the walls of capitalist propaganda and make people realize that the USA has always been fascist-oriented and that getting rid of this latest symptom (Trump) will not fix that. After all, fascism is imperialism turned inward. We desperately need a wholesale movement away from capitalism and towards socialism to actually ensure that fascism cannot rise again.
Kent State
1968 in general
So a thing from almost 60 years ago? That was a tragedy and eventually led to a course correction on Vietnam. Hardly an example of “business as usual”
Millions killed since Kent State by the state. Kent State is remembered because, again, it was a bunch of white people
How about the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, Syria, Yemen, Palestine, Sudan, Myanmar, or any of the other countless places where US capitalism has incited genocide, murder, rape, and torture. Or is it only fascism when it happens inside our borders to white people?
It sounded like you wanted a concrete example within living memory
I’m well over 60.
I would think someone alive during Jim Crow would remember Kent State
Previously, ICE was only set loose to terrorize, incite, and murder the brown population. So yeah, this is pretty much business as usual.
ICE wasn’t previously “let loose,” the deportation process existed (and happened way too often), but people received due process.
Due process by who, Obama denied due process to 75% of the millions he deported
Pretty standard .ml take.
Can’t help it if .world doesn’t know fascism when they see it
Typical .ml tankie bullshit take.
Does America have sordid events in her history? Yes.
But to take a “same shit, different day” stance isn’t just myopic, it assists the present admin by attempting to place the actions of the day in the “normal” zone.
The white people part breaks the inertia, the dismissiveness, the head in the sand aspect OP is referring to.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement are just out doing immigration and customs enforcement things, right? Right up until they shoot two white people in the head.
We’re talking broad strokes perception management here. Most of the public doesn’t have time, inclination is separate, to dig in like the people of Lemmy or the still earnest corners of Reddit, or the journalist/HCR/Robert Reich essay writing corner of Substack.
They vaguely know Immigration & Customs Enforcement are out deporting people. A layer deeper they might know it’s harassment of immigrants and that protestors are protesting. Let’s be real about what “immigrants” means to most Americans: brown people, mainly in the form of Mexicans and Haitians, are being rounded up and deported. But, for the most part, agree or disagree with immigration policy, they’re thinking Immigration & Customs Enforcement is doing that, what their name says.
Right up until someone clearly not fitting the immigrant profile is BAM shot in the head.
Why not Porter? I’m not going to try to argue that color doesn’t matter here. It does. But unlike Floyd, Porter is missing the fundamental piece that creates action like back in 2020: video. Good and Pretti had video. It’s why they target journalists first with the gas now. Video presence matters.
As for the two white people. The world is always more dismissive of women, we are forever placed in the “it’s her fault” zone, but even so. Pretti is unique because he’s also making conservative heads spin around. 2A, VA, a trade adjacent profession, a most trusted profession, an helping/service profession, and he’s a white man, the pinnacle of MAGA.
With Pretti, it’s a coffin nail on the idea that Immigration & Customs Enforcement is doing immigration and customs enforcement things. Pretti completely changes the narrative, for most.
This is just so dismissive of the ugly history behind ICE that I’m actually slightly disgusted.
This isn’t the historic Immigration and Customs Enforcement. That was the premise for what this is but that is not what this is.
They are Trump/Stephen Miller’s brown shirts. That’s new.
You’re wrong about this. It’s a reasonable position during the first Trump presidency, but under this one it is not “equal opportunity oppression”. White people of privilege being murdered in the streets by cops isn’t the new equality… It’s the new ceiling. It doesn’t mean everyone else has new company in the oppression floor, it means everyone now at the bottom will be shoved into darker depths than some might imagine.
The class war is no longer trying to hide.
There’s the top 10% and their brown shirts. And there’s everyone else, who should be toeing the line and at their jobs.
Exactly. AmeriKKKa has been a shithole for a long long while now. Hope they all rot.
You literally have emails showing it’s every fucking country doing this shit with each other because the rich hate you. Don’t be an idiot.
You realize that all working class folks, internationally, are your peers? And you just spat on ~300 million people, many of whom are suffering and many if not most of whom didn’t vote for that suffering. Have some compassion and solidarity for fucks sake. Did you wish the same thing on Greek people when their economy collapsed?
The Greek didn’t cause death and misery to every country on the globe across their much, much older history. Compared to a nation founded on racism, death, and greed, they’re literal saints.
Oh shit, it’s one of those “anti-imperialist” takes again where they only consider the US and ignore everyone else’s imperialism. Big yawn. You realize this is 100% parroting Russian propaganda invented in the Soviet days, right? Go ask the Eastern bloc countries if they weren’t imperialist. Yes, America bad but don’t make it your whole personality 🙄
If you didn’t notice this post is about the US. But of course you are so enlightened that you are impervious to any form of propaganda, specifically the US version
Will you name me a first world nation that wasn’t built on 2 out of 3 of those things? Are your politicians and billionaires also saints? Why are you going on like this after I brought up compassion and solidarity for other people in your socioeconomic class despite their nation of origin? Am I a greedy racist killer because my great great whatever grandfather had no option but to leave where he was for whatever reason (famine, war, oppression)?
I am really interested in your answers to these questions, because they are meant to be collaborative, despite what seems like your insistence to be antagonistic.
It’s about damage caused / duration of its existence. Find me a nation that perpetrated as much as the US has, in such little time. I’m waiting.
You guys are concentrated evil.
Well man, fuck you too than.
What is wrong with people who say shit like this?
Intentionally sowing discord?
Discord is when we point out that the country is fascists?