Yeah, the most likely explanation for his behavior is that he basically had no childhood (which is known) and tried to have one vicariously by hanging out with children.
He also had the money to create a children’s fantasy land to live in. That’s the most atypical part. Had he not, he would have died with a far larger fortune.
I don’t understand how this notion is so readily accepted.
Tons of people have difficult childhoods where circumstances forced them to grow up quickly, without them developing weird childhood obsessions that involve them inviting other people’s kids to share a bed with them.
(edit: mind blown at how many people are lining up to defend child abuse. He didn’t have a childhood, which gave him the right to take other kids’ childhoods from them? Y’all must really not want to give up that awesome record collection.)
I think it’s telling, not to mention intellectually dishonest, that you characterize the people who are giving you sound logical reasons to not see Michael as a pedophile, as defending child abuse.
They’re not sound logical reasons, they’re terrible bits of hand-wringing, armchair psychiatry, and lame excuse making that make a deliberate choice to ignore both the clear damage done to his victims and the massive pile of evidence of the things he did.
Also, I didn’t call him a pedophile, I said he abused children. Which he did.
They’re not sound logical reasons, they’re terrible bits of hand-wringing, armchair psychiatry, and lame excuse making that make a deliberate choice to ignore both the clear damage done to his victims and the massive pile of evidence of the things he did.
You should have brought that info to his trial. I’m sure the people who failed to convict him on any counts would have been delighted to hear it.
Tons of people suffered horrible abuse and didn’t become a serial killer.
Human psychology is a stupid complex thing, and Jackson was a pretty unique case. Just because it doesn’t typically happen doesn’t mean that it’s not a likely explanation in some cases.
Dude was so detached from regular life they had to book an entire grocery store so he could experience shopping for food.
Plus, it’s pretty common for child stars to have serious maturity issues as adults.
You can also see similar behavior from people whose schooling took away their late teens and 20s. It’s not uncommon for doctors to act like the ages they lost during med school.
Also plenty of adults with fucked up childhoods do wind up doing innocent childish things, but they do them in private and within their means. Jackson had no privacy, basically ever in his life, and near infinite means. I don’t personally get it, but that’s the thing about mental health issues, they tend to not make sense to those of us without the issue.
Jackson was really young when his childhood effectively ended. Five years old. I had a difficult childhood, but I at least got to go to school and have friends and have some modicum of a social life. And even then, I spent most of my college years making up for stages I missed out on in high school.
It’s not that far-fetched to me that he would want to reclaim parts of childhood that he missed out on, and it seems like he also tried to provide that kind of opportunity for other child stars (notably Macaulay Culkin). I’m not saying I’m sold one way or the other, but the notion is definitely understandable.
My issue with this, is why didn’t all those child labourers 50-100 years ago regress to childhood then? So incredibly many children forced into becoming an adult and working from a very young age, but they didn’t start inviting kids into their beds just to have a sleepover.
They still got to spend time with other kids. You could argue that the labour was a normal childhood.
The difference is that Jackson was uniquely isolated. He wasn’t spending his days with other child performers his age, he was spending it with his older brothers and adults.
Apparently his dad “took” his groupies for him because he was too young. He’d also be in the dressing room while his older brothers had sex. His childhood was truly robbed from him.
They just beat their wives and kids. Culture back then wouldn’t allow men to show emotion unless it was anger. They became alcoholic, adulterers, abusive and depressed. I’m sure they diddled their own children as well. Had they had enough money I’m certain plenty of them would’ve done shit like this.
Yeah, most people develop other maladaptive patterns that haunt them for the rest of their lives. Psychological trauma and the responses to it have many faces.
In the case of Jackson, the trauma resulted from being forced to dedicate himself to performing on stage from age six and getting beaten for substandard performance. That’s the point where had to grow up. I can kinda see why he longed for the time before that.
Yeah, the most likely explanation for his behavior is that he basically had no childhood (which is known) and tried to have one vicariously by hanging out with children.
He also had the money to create a children’s fantasy land to live in. That’s the most atypical part. Had he not, he would have died with a far larger fortune.
I don’t understand how this notion is so readily accepted.
Tons of people have difficult childhoods where circumstances forced them to grow up quickly, without them developing weird childhood obsessions that involve them inviting other people’s kids to share a bed with them.
(edit: mind blown at how many people are lining up to defend child abuse. He didn’t have a childhood, which gave him the right to take other kids’ childhoods from them? Y’all must really not want to give up that awesome record collection.)
I think it’s telling, not to mention intellectually dishonest, that you characterize the people who are giving you sound logical reasons to not see Michael as a pedophile, as defending child abuse.
They’re not sound logical reasons, they’re terrible bits of hand-wringing, armchair psychiatry, and lame excuse making that make a deliberate choice to ignore both the clear damage done to his victims and the massive pile of evidence of the things he did.
Also, I didn’t call him a pedophile, I said he abused children. Which he did.
You should have brought that info to his trial. I’m sure the people who failed to convict him on any counts would have been delighted to hear it.
Oh well if the jury failed to convict that must mean it didn’t happen, along with the dozens of similar accusations made by other children.
Tons of people suffered horrible abuse and didn’t become a serial killer.
Human psychology is a stupid complex thing, and Jackson was a pretty unique case. Just because it doesn’t typically happen doesn’t mean that it’s not a likely explanation in some cases.
Dude was so detached from regular life they had to book an entire grocery store so he could experience shopping for food.
Plus, it’s pretty common for child stars to have serious maturity issues as adults.
You can also see similar behavior from people whose schooling took away their late teens and 20s. It’s not uncommon for doctors to act like the ages they lost during med school.
Also plenty of adults with fucked up childhoods do wind up doing innocent childish things, but they do them in private and within their means. Jackson had no privacy, basically ever in his life, and near infinite means. I don’t personally get it, but that’s the thing about mental health issues, they tend to not make sense to those of us without the issue.
Jackson was really young when his childhood effectively ended. Five years old. I had a difficult childhood, but I at least got to go to school and have friends and have some modicum of a social life. And even then, I spent most of my college years making up for stages I missed out on in high school.
It’s not that far-fetched to me that he would want to reclaim parts of childhood that he missed out on, and it seems like he also tried to provide that kind of opportunity for other child stars (notably Macaulay Culkin). I’m not saying I’m sold one way or the other, but the notion is definitely understandable.
Eh, I kind of skipped some phases to life, and my approach is that I don’t want to see the rest of it anymore.
It’s overrated, all human crap, stuff that you are made to want when you don’t need it, and you aren’t entitled to it.
Trying to focus on my attributes, on how I deal with life instead.
These people are just pathetic.
Everyone is different buddy. Different people respond to different situations differently.
My issue with this, is why didn’t all those child labourers 50-100 years ago regress to childhood then? So incredibly many children forced into becoming an adult and working from a very young age, but they didn’t start inviting kids into their beds just to have a sleepover.
They still got to spend time with other kids. You could argue that the labour was a normal childhood.
The difference is that Jackson was uniquely isolated. He wasn’t spending his days with other child performers his age, he was spending it with his older brothers and adults.
Apparently his dad “took” his groupies for him because he was too young. He’d also be in the dressing room while his older brothers had sex. His childhood was truly robbed from him.
They just beat their wives and kids. Culture back then wouldn’t allow men to show emotion unless it was anger. They became alcoholic, adulterers, abusive and depressed. I’m sure they diddled their own children as well. Had they had enough money I’m certain plenty of them would’ve done shit like this.
They also died young from work-related illnesses too
Yeah, most people develop other maladaptive patterns that haunt them for the rest of their lives. Psychological trauma and the responses to it have many faces.
In the case of Jackson, the trauma resulted from being forced to dedicate himself to performing on stage from age six and getting beaten for substandard performance. That’s the point where had to grow up. I can kinda see why he longed for the time before that.