Grok needs to faces to turn into porn.

Matrix, the central service, might work, but I’m not sure if it could handle the load well. Matrix, the federated service, hosted by many people, have performance issues with the “free” version. I could not test the paid/more optimized version, so I can’t talk about that.

Anyway, the protocol and clients have their issues. All these stems from usage; I did not do a deep dive in the internal of it. But on the top of my head:

• joining a room will sometimes not send you keys to see older messages, despite being configured to do so. When it works, it’s ok. When it doesn’t, there’s little to no recourse.
• sometimes (rarely) rooms have to be upgraded to use new versions/features. So far it happened once (to my knowledge). The issue is that “upgrade” means locking the existing room, creating a new one, inviting everyone in the new room, and putting a link to the old room as read only. Sure, the process is mostly automated… except the best way to start it is using dev commands on a client, and every user will have to accept the invite. Just hope you don’t have too much rooms.
• Logging into a new device/client sometimes will works perfectly fine. Other times it will obstinately refuse to retrieve your room’s keys from another existing, online, logged-in device. Despite the “confirmation” dialog, it won’t work. You can manually export/import your keys from one device to another, but for large scale adoption? Not good. You can say goodbye to all previous messages if that happens.
• Interface is relatively barebone, and some features gets pushed quickly (like, throwing confettis), while other (like, proper room management, fine notification controls, etc.) are held back forever.
• Features are limited. It works very well as a chat, and they recently worked on a built-in video/audio call service, but that’s it. A few “plugins” are supposed to work but are clunky as hell (they’re basically iframes). Some features that people consider important (like stickers) are definitively an afterthought, and searching for a sticker is a pain (dicslaimer: I’m not using the central service/app, so that part might be specific to my instance)

With that said, nothing’s actually a show stopper for small usage, and the heavily optimized server might handle itself well enough, as long as you’re mainly concerned with having text rooms. But open instances handling hundreds of users might be a stretch… for now. Maybe this will cause more development into the Matrix/Element ecosystem.

https://stoat.chat/download

Stoat looks promising as an open source alternative

Yep, hate when I want to follow some project and they link you to X, Reddit and Discord lol

I can say as a member of the PCSX2 project that I understand why we and other FOSS emulators use it as official support – but nevertheless wish that we didn’t. We’ve discussed practicalities before, and the project doesn’t stay there just from inertia or because of personal preference; there are major practical reasons to prefer it over a forum (which we have), a wiki (which we have), or Matrix.

I’d be willing to endure the pain points and to scale back support in order to be off of that shithole, but I also get that’s a fringe minority sentiment shared by only a couple others. All of us would be tech-literate enough to use a client like Signal or Element for intra-project discussion, but very few people would come to Matrix for support (nor would we probably want them to due to the much greater moderation burden per end user), and the chatroom model – to most of us – is much easier for support than a forum. The only reason I’m still begrudgingly on Discord is for PCSX2.

I share your hope, but I seriously doubt this will come even close to dislodging us. Smaller projects, perhaps.

There are layers to this.

Persistent chat rooms are here to stay.

As a user? I dislike this. I am sure you do too.

As a developer who gives a shit about the users? The number of times I have had to spend sometimes upwards of a dozen back and forth emails trying to explain to someone that I am not lying to them and the answer they found on the forums are for a bug that was fixed 5 years ago… Let alone having to, politely, tell a greybeard to shut the fuck up because they keep telling people to search instead of ask for help…

Whereas a more ephemeral approach that actually encourages people to ask questions? Yes, it does cause long term issues when someone is trying to debug a project that has been on life support for years. But, by and large, just checking the current FAQ and then asking in a chatroom results in a better experience for the users, the devs, and the community managers trying to bridge the gap. And… you should really try to avoid being dependent on said EOL software. Not always possible but… yeah.

And that isn’t going to change. So they’ll either stick with discord or use something MUCH less stable… like Matrix.

This is bad.

One problem will be that there are way too goddamn many software projects that use Discord as a shitty replacement for a blog and documentation, and they’re gonna be a pain to move to proper content platforms.

Mass migration like that occurs (from my memory at least) when the newer alternative has much better functionality, performance, and ease of use compared to the status quo service and has a low barrier to entry (sign up is quick and straightforward). Do any of the decentralized Discord alternatives fit these criteria (honest question, not rhetorical)?

They absolutely have their users by the balls and I guarantee most people will continue to use the app after this, unfortunately.

Revolt (suppose stoat) had problems with noise cancellation and people complained to me the UI wasn’t intuitive.

/poke

irc

now there’s some letters I haven’t seen in quite some time.