• SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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    “Late stage capitalism” is not a call to action, it’s a call to apathy. It’s used by monetized “socialist” influencers to give a permission structure for people to continue buying from their merch stores.

    The logic is the failure of capitalism is inevitable so you don’t need to do anything. So you may as well buy some swag to signal to others that “you get it”. It’s the slogan of those that want to fall in line with the “socialist” aesthetic, without thinking about how socialism is just another thing packaged and sold in a capitalist system.

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      While they might have co-opted it like such, I cannot imagine this being the origin.

      To me “late stage” always sounded akin to late stage cancer, as capitalism is seen.

      We, however should not despair in the face of the cancer, but try to heal it.

      This does not seem to be the original intention according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_capitalism

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    I catch myself going on socialist rants at the slightest provocation these days so I’m thinking maybe Scully is wrong here

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      Scully eventually ended up being genuinely wrong most of the time. The show didn’t want to drop her “scientific straightman” role as Mulder’s foil, but damn the evidence became stacked for the paranormal

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        That’s one reason why I’m not a fan of the show, it was in a long list of a lot of 90’s media that portrayed skeptics as “naive” and “unwilling to accept evidence”, and believers as open minded and curious when in reality it’s the other way around.

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          I’m glad I grew up watching Scooby-Doo where the believers are just being duped by scammers and there’s always a rational, scientific explanation for everything (except in the movies).

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          I think neither view is accurate really, people who readily believe in the supernatural have been very much been the same kind of person for the last half century, which is that breed of person who doesn’t know a lot about science and history and related fields, but will immediately start tying together disparate pieces of evidence to support a pre-conclusion that the answer is supernatural, while more scientific minded people are usually like “It’s probably not aliens, but we need to learn more and study more to eliminate everything else first” and are generally very ready to consider the fantastic if they can learn anything about it… it’s just that reality is what actually rules it out, not some stuffy adherence to science as a dogma.

          This is why I dislike X-files now despite loving it when I was younger, it fed deeply into the uneducated mind that they too can be a “Mulder,” casting aside process and “going against the grain” to find the reality that THE MAN doesn’t want you to know. It led to a whole ass generation of middle-americans believing in magic oil and horse dewormer, which was one of the many forces that opened the door for massive harm done to our society and collective understanding of objective reality.

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        The necessity of the sedentary growing of barley and hops for brewing beer is the only thing that is kind of holding me back from reverting to full on mammoth hunter.

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          I can’t help but feel that the general lack of mammouths may also put a bit of a crimp on that plan. Sorry to burst your bubble. Maybe you could diversify a little? Maybe start with squirrels and work your way up?

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            Hey look, aim for the stars is what my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather used to say before he ate all the mammoths.

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      I don’t get that statement. “I want to believe” kind of implies you don’t believe, but you wanna. You wanna, but you fail, or something.

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        I always took it to mean “I wish I could believe that this is real, it ignites my hope and dreams, but reality is still ruling it out so I have to accept what facts tell me.”

        Unfortunately, that does not appear to be the message that most people took from it, which if you were to boil down to just its essence in America at least, it says “Believing is just as good as anything else. Go ahead if you want it.” and I think it made way, way too many young, impressionable people who never picked up on the irony of the show to go on to accept conspiratorial thinking and self-delusion about utter nonsense.

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        I think at its roots its like, you have to be willing to consider things first. You have to start with a willingness to believe.

        Or at least thats Mulders MO in the show.

        Scully is the scientist, the hard nosed skeptic.

        If you haven’t watched the show, it actually has aged decently, if its a bit campy.

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    Some of the guys I work with, defend the oligarchs. You see, my coworkers are temporarily inconvenienced millionaires. They explained that the billionaires earned their money (not through the exploitation of millions of people), therefore they should not have their wealth taxed in a fair manner.

    Oh, and also, if you work at McDonalds, you deserve to struggle to make rent. My coworkers had to do it, therefore everyone else should have to do it as well. After all, if you want a better job, just go find a better one? If you don’t have the ability to go back to school, that’s on you. If you are unable to pay rent, you deserve to become homeless. What the hell happened to personal accountability? I’m sorry, I thought this was America.

    I can’t deal with their ignorant, racist, views anymore. Their inability to empathize hurts my soul. Everything is money to them. When I mention that we are talking about people, they say “Well who’s going to pay for that? Not me!”.

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    The percentage of sociopaths involved with creating a society should never be greater than zero.

    Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.

    Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.

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      ‘Financial obesity’ needs to be a term coined and proliferated into our lexicon. Masses gotta understand this shit somehow,

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        This is the term I’ve been looking for. Too much wealth is a symptom of serious underlying problems.

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      We had a big war over this like 12000 years ago, and the wrong people won. It’s hard to argue with institutional greed, it spreads like a cancer. Once you start hoard things, shit will just devolve into mine and thine and war and dynastic hierarchies and royal incest and slavery and shit.

      As far as I’m concerned I’d rather be hunting deer on the steppe and deal with the lack of medical care and just take it. Give me something to do, keep myself fit, have some purpose. What the fuck am I talking about? Anyway, we still need someone to make beer though but that can be kept compartmentalized. Like Göbekli! Let’s meet once a year at the tepe and drink and fuck ourselves into oblivion, and just accept the natural progression of life. I’m sure we can find some herb or root or some shit for the headaches.

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    “Except for your desire to be abducted by aliens. That’s a direct result, probably.”

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    Wealth is an abstract. What is a corporation price? You do one media statement and the price plummets. The “means of production” surely cost some, but if it crumbles and you just sell whatever you can, it would be a tiny fracture of what “the company” was “worth” before.

    The most wealthiest people don’t just sit on cash, they run businesses. One of the reasons why you can’t just eat the rich (even if you have the power), it’s just not effective. You’ll get scraps by killing the whole industries.

    What you can do is tax the “rich” with progressive taxes, where the “rich” is an upper working class, and maybe lower middle class. Its never about the wealthiest.

    Left/Right politics is a clown fiesta. We need some fresh ideas, cause these surely don’t work.

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    Going to be that nerd.

    These type of wealth disparities existing before capitalism. In ancient grand societies the wealth was controlled by a small elite almost always and class mobility was non-existent.

    The issue isn’t capitalism, it’s just that the history of our specifies across various society tends to ebb and flow in various directions in response to historical events and contexts. Go read Piketty’s work on this.

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      “Bad things existed before, so we should not criticize them still existing today” is not a very strong argument.

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          Uh huh which is why he simply illustrated the point being made and why its flawed lmao

          He’s responding to a meme criticizing this exact idea. So he’ll likely criticising that criticism and defending its position.

          This is like 5th grade level analysis bro it’s not that complicated

          But hey defend your guy. And the context is that you are defending that idea as well. Because why are you defending this and not every time someone reads into a comment? Likely because you have an issue with what he’s pointing out. Not like automatically but it pretty likely DOES mean that and that matters to people, which is why we concern ourselves with implications of things we say in the modern age, it reveals shit

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      Also, any non-“capitalist” nation that currently exists is likely filled with peasants working subhuman conditions to survive under despots.