I mean, they could have checked out any online leftist space for about a year before the election. God knows I had to leave practically all of them because I was sick to death of all the “I’m not voting for Kamala over Gaza” comments. Note that I’m not American before you lecture me over who I should or shouldn’t have voted for.
Maybe they thought it was all bluster and that leftists wouldn’t actually be that stupid, but apparently we are.
The time to demand better is literally any other time than when you get to choose between fetid neoliberalism and full throated fascism. The fact that the DNC fucked us all by, among other things, not having a primary doesn’t change the fact that Harris would have been preferable, even though she sucks.
I’ve been told by someone in a similar moral position you can’t criticize Democrats during the election then afterwards because they’re building up to the next one. Make that make sense.
That is, pardon my language, fucking stupid. We do deserve better from the Democrats, my only stance here is if it keeps someone from voting in the general election they’re cutting off their nose to spite their face.
It is, but it’s not an isolated case. There’s supporters who pretty much hold the Dems on a pedestal and will shout you down to make you not want to vote for them.
Idk what you want from me. I don’t like those people, I’m just really tired of living in fascism and don’t like the idea of revolution. Not accusing you of doing this here but the flip side of this is that people in these discussions tend to treat me like I’m the king of the Democrats and am personally responsible for them running shitty candidates. Unfortunately I’m just some guy who thinks you have to play it as it lies. Like, in the context of a general election, where you actually do have two defined choices, what does “demanding better” actually mean? I can see I’m rambling now so I’m gonna stop. I gotta go to work anyway but this shit is just so frustrating to me.
The issue is that when they’re up for re/election is the best time to actually grill them and hold them to task. They can say all kinds of platitudes and promises in the primaries to win over the party conventions. But we should be criticizing and hold their proverbial feet to the coals even more during that time. Most are just tired of them assuming our vote without doing anything to actually acquire it. There’s no reason or time they shouldn’t be held to task and the argument is commonly stopped on “Well do you want X to win” as it was in the W. Bush days and during Obama’s elections as president. It’s a tactic that works so long and so we should demand something better of them than they’re not as bad during it as well the primaries.
Demand better instead of making excuses. I voted for her, I hated it but I did. Sorry I didn’t Vote Blue No Matter Who hard enough to make her weak campaign actually have a chance to win.
I mean, they could have checked out any online leftist space for about a year before the election. God knows I had to leave practically all of them because I was sick to death of all the “I’m not voting for Kamala over Gaza” comments. Note that I’m not American before you lecture me over who I should or shouldn’t have voted for.
Maybe they thought it was all bluster and that leftists wouldn’t actually be that stupid, but apparently we are.
Yes. Trump was so much the better solution wasnt he. /s
Many of them still seem to be quite proud of their idiotic and childish foot-stamping, too.
And you’re still proud of supporting mass murder because the other side also does it. Demand better.
The time to demand better is literally any other time than when you get to choose between fetid neoliberalism and full throated fascism. The fact that the DNC fucked us all by, among other things, not having a primary doesn’t change the fact that Harris would have been preferable, even though she sucks.
I’ve been told by someone in a similar moral position you can’t criticize Democrats during the election then afterwards because they’re building up to the next one. Make that make sense.
That is, pardon my language, fucking stupid. We do deserve better from the Democrats, my only stance here is if it keeps someone from voting in the general election they’re cutting off their nose to spite their face.
It is, but it’s not an isolated case. There’s supporters who pretty much hold the Dems on a pedestal and will shout you down to make you not want to vote for them.
Idk what you want from me. I don’t like those people, I’m just really tired of living in fascism and don’t like the idea of revolution. Not accusing you of doing this here but the flip side of this is that people in these discussions tend to treat me like I’m the king of the Democrats and am personally responsible for them running shitty candidates. Unfortunately I’m just some guy who thinks you have to play it as it lies. Like, in the context of a general election, where you actually do have two defined choices, what does “demanding better” actually mean? I can see I’m rambling now so I’m gonna stop. I gotta go to work anyway but this shit is just so frustrating to me.
The issue is that when they’re up for re/election is the best time to actually grill them and hold them to task. They can say all kinds of platitudes and promises in the primaries to win over the party conventions. But we should be criticizing and hold their proverbial feet to the coals even more during that time. Most are just tired of them assuming our vote without doing anything to actually acquire it. There’s no reason or time they shouldn’t be held to task and the argument is commonly stopped on “Well do you want X to win” as it was in the W. Bush days and during Obama’s elections as president. It’s a tactic that works so long and so we should demand something better of them than they’re not as bad during it as well the primaries.
Demand better instead of making excuses. I voted for her, I hated it but I did. Sorry I didn’t Vote Blue No Matter Who hard enough to make her weak campaign actually have a chance to win.
If you didnt vote you supported mass murder also. And the complete obliteration and sale of all palestinian land to the highest bidder. Be better
I did. I voted for Clinton, Biden, Harris in California. Your move.
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