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The internet is awesome. You can discuss genocides with someone who named himself after an dictator who did several genocides! Who has a picture of this dictactor in his profile! And this guy is attacking others for “defense of genocide”! Great invention this internet thingy!

We have found the most historically literate feddit user.

I do understand what you mean, however the attempted genocide that christians, jews and muslims are doing to each other is much older than any of that.

Incorrect and also hasbara. This is an ahistorical orientalist fabrication that is designed to obscure the very clear and obvious colonial nature of “Israel”.

What you do not see is that we don’t truly disagree

We do disagree. Your entire view of the so-called “conflict” is based on zionist lies, which is why you can never meaningfully oppose it no matter how much you think you do.

No, this one is just a self-serving fabrication by a few nazi-supporting governments.

Why do you tankies always lie

Amazing, I never thought I would see the day Deceptichum was called a tankie, lmao.

The comment you linked to is written by a “tankie”, by the way.

I don’t think you have bad intent here, but I think Riverside didn’t like the implication that “deep political discussions” are necessary to understand that “Israel/Palestine” is in fact “the colonial genocide of Palestinians by Israel”. I think that’s fair. It’s OK to not want to discuss politics online, but you don’t need “deep discussions” to know that colonialism is always wrong.

I thought this was meant as a compliment until I saw “@feddit.org”, lmao.

I’m completely aware that this originally started with the zionist invasion of palestine in the early 20th century.

From your other comment next to this one…

“The Jews never fought back” is not what I said. Again, you intentionally try to misinterpret what I said. I was specifically talking about the time before the Holocaust even started, there was no reason for Germans to fear Jewish people, as they were just normal people.

Do you not see how you’re not being consistent?

That’s a fair answer. And when was Hamas founded? By comparing those two dates, you can see that it’s actually the same as Jews fighting back against the Holocaust.

I’ve never said that the people resisting their genocide were wrong to do it. You’re intentionally misinterpreting what I’m saying.

No, I’m really not. You’re all over this thread repeating hasbara lies about Hamas and misrepresenting the history of “Israel” in comparison to the history of the Holocaust (you correctly include the Warsaw Ghetto in the Holocaust but appear to think the Nakba isn’t relevant).

You might actually have convinced yourself that this is principled and nuanced anti-zionism, but it’s not. You are being a zionist and I urge you to reconsider your positions on this.

I don’t disagree with you, that’s why I tried to explain the nuance, but apparently I failed, I’m sorry about that.

You didn’t fail to explain what you mean, I understood that. Where you failed is that you are, knowingly or unknowingly, manufacturing nuance that does not exist.

What I mean was in the time before the Holocaust even started.

When do you think “Israelis” started committing genocide against Palestinians? Hint: “Israel” is a settler colony.

You are trying to reduce my argument to one dimension that “sounds” reasonable, while ignoring things like it literally being in the charter of Hamas to destroy all Jewish people in Israel.

How surprising, you’re doing Hasbara. The charter was irrelevant soon after it was written, Hamas changed many times very quickly throughout its history, and the charter you’re referring to was in fact literally replaced with a new one in 2017. You are a zionist.

And you’re going to say it is the prerogative of Palestinians to fight back, and again I would completely agree with you.

No, you wouldn’t and you didn’t. The trick of “fighting back is their right but they’re doing it wrong” isn’t fooling anyone.

The ability to recognize the genocide in Gaza as a genocide is very much there

Only while saying the people resisting it are also wrong and doing Holocaust exceptionalism in defense of liberal zionists, lmao.

And now let’s go back to the original zionist accusations. The original comment was removed because of the last part of it, which said “Providing material support to Israel is no different from providing material support to Nazi Germany”. As much as people don’t want to see it, the situation in Gaza is actually different than the situation in Nazi Germany. The Jewish population in Nazi Germany never launched rockets at Germans, in fact, jewish people in Nazi Germany were exceptionally peaceful. In Gaza, there is genocide happening, there is a power differential, and Palestinians need to fight back, but there is simply no rational denying that it’s not the same as the genocide in Nazi Germany.

The original comment was good and correct. Supporting one settler state committing genocide is actually the same as supporting another.

I didn’t dodge theirs, I directly addressed it. Their “criticism” is a form of genocide denial. They are fabricating “equivalent” atrocities to a real genocide. Similarly, your “neutral observer” trick here is a cheap way to pretend you’re not taking a side in an argument so that you can dodge criticism of the side you are picking. See the irony?

If you really see support of genocide and zionism in what I said, I really don’t know what I could say to convince you. It seems you’re not truly listening to me and trying to understand.

Oh no, people are not trying to understand your subtle and nuanced argument of “Palestinian genocide and the Holocaust are different because the Jews never fought back”.

The Jewish population in Nazi Germany never launched rockets at Germans, in fact, jewish people in Nazi Germany were exceptionally peaceful.

“The Jews never fought back” is certainly an incredible take, especially from a German.

In Gaza, there is genocide happening, there is a power differential, and Palestinians need to fight back, but there is simply no rational denying that it’s not the same as the genocide in Nazi Germany.

Do you not understand colonialism? Of course you think history began on October 7th, 2023, but only when it concerns the actions of “Israelis”.

The soyjack “I was just following orders” vs the chad

Sorry I don’t make the rules, I merely enforce them.

Notice how the criticisms are based on a fundamental lie: that feddit.org is a zionist instance. Without that lie all of the agitators “arguments” crumble to the sad leftist-dividing dust that they are.

“They’re not zionist, they just defend Israel’s right to exist.”

They are zionists and so are you. You’re also a dishonest coward who replies to people through edits and hopes they don’t notice. Death to “Israel” and death to the Federal Republic of Germany.

Edit:

Calling for death to nations (and their civilians) is a call for genocide. I hope non-extremists can see that.

Also, as a tip: don’t answer the trolls and agitators. Leave them hanging, screaming into the wind.

You are literally answering me, lmao. Well, not really, you’re actually replying to things I didn’t say.

Can you explain why Germans have learned absolutely nothing from the Holocaust?

America and Western Europe were more interested in fighting the cold war, so they rehabilitated most of the nazis and put them in charge of everything.

In 1957, 77% of the [West German Justice Ministry’s] senior officials were former Nazis, which, according to the study, was a higher proportion that during Hitler’s Third Reich government, which existed from 1933 to 1945.

This is only one small example, the practice was widespread in West German as well as NATO generally.

That report also found that 14% of workers in the East German Interior Ministry were former Nazis — a surprising finding, considering the communist government’s purportedly rigorous effort to rid itself of former Nazis.

Notice the extreme difference here, between 77% and 14%. Even if East Germany’s de-nazification was probably not as thorough as it could and should have been due to practical concerns, it was still nothing like in the West. I’m saying this because I fully expect the “both sides did it” deflection from westerners (which is what the linked article is obviously trying to do in this quote). Notice also “senior officials” vs. “workers”.

You are literally the most reasonable communicator on the fediverse, lmao.

This thread in a nutshell, lmao.