I think being a shitty eugenicist non-expert in 1900 is a lot less egregious than being a shitty eugenicist who claims to be an expert in everything in 2025.
also, there’s plenty of other stuff for him to be ashamed of with this association.
america helping france
one could argue america got them there, and failed to help when it would have been cheap in order to exacerbate the problem, because they VERY much could have been on the other side of that war.
also, fuck america. If you want to bring in world war 2 as ‘america good’ it is completely negated by operation paperclip and not executing every single member of the japanese royal family. fuck, shiro ishi, possibly one of the most disgusting horrible monsters our species has ever produced, ended up dead of medicine at tokyo university after the war. look up where nobusuke kishii and his family landed, after he ran the ‘comfort women’ program, and raped so many people that he had a full time assistant just to keep the amount of cum on his sheets from being inconvenient. the americans failed to do anything about either abomination.
the americans, again, chose to let both these men go free, along with the ones they explicitly paperclipped. While individual americans did do very good things for all kinds of reasons, they get no collective points for that war.
socially free, from a source nobody had ever even thought of, but not literally physically free. that is pretty fucking cool. I’ll have to ask an EE about this sometime, and see how dumb they think I am.
im saying you can’t really judge a non-expert for being the kind of shitty guy that was in vogue to be shitty at the time, especially if it’s not a primary thing. nicola tesla doing a eugenics? yeah whatever. his approximate contemporary, margaret sanger, you can give a lot more shit on the topic, because she was a fucking doctor.
this doesn’t just apply to history! as someone who has generally been on the right side of history, I have lived through this. several times. A current example, aside from the obvious nazi shit and transphobia, would be the whole push to equate large language models with “AI” and orient all of our society’s productive capacity towards making them like we’re a giant god damn paperclip machine. I can’t give any lay person who was into the tech in 2023 too terribly much shit about it-but if you were in any sort of information science, math, IT, or neuro-anything, and you were in favor of how it was being pushed for more than five minutes, I will mock you mercilessly until the day one of us dies, and then if it was you, ill graffiti the mockery on your fucking grave.
how strongly was he in favor of eugenics? did he have any ability to push the needle? did he care emotionally, or was it just a quick glance ‘yeah that sounds close enough and I trust the experts. anyway, back to stuff I actually care about’ kind of opinion?
see, I would argue that the pigeon kind of exhonnerated him for the eugenics. A race of superhuman pigeon-men, ruling over us pitiful full apes? I’d bend the knee, in my primitive forward jointed way.
yeah, dude was so good at electrical shit I literally cannot comprehend how he got to some of his ideas from where he was.
yes but the americans deserve it.
as if these assholes have ever read a history book. they don’t fucking know that.
it should though. everyone should go hard on these parasites. fascists always get a free ride from all the authorities. that’s how they get into power. they never suffer consequences, because all the consequences are fake and designed to stop people from being too free or too communist, both of which fascists also work to stop, so the nation’s enforcement mechanisms see them as friends and go really ridiculously easy on them.
france needs to nail america’s dick to the wall, and declare that no more american goods will be coming into france until these scum pay their debts. maybe even give a ‘we brought you into this world, and we can damn sure take you out of it.’
im in favor of any company these fuckers were on the board of or were allowed to hold substantial shares of being nationalized as punishment, if we don’t end up with some form of communism or blasted wastelands after all this. The capital class needs to be shown consequences, and if we don’t get guillotines, they need to at least be forced to watch us sautee their balls.
it was the turn of the 20th century; everybody was a eugenicist. that’s why we say ‘people from the past sucked’.
fun fact: the people who originally coined the phrase ‘invisible hand of the market’ called it ‘the invisible hand of providence’ which basically means ‘gods inscrutable will’. capitalism-at least market capitalism-is literally a religion.
and its god is smiting his favorite special boy. so sad.
true, but there’s a lot you can do on the hardware side with an arduino-or esp32/pi pico if you need networking.
no other parts though. the tits themselves for example are not special. only in the aggregate, and more so in some outfits than others.
well, yes. I don’t think a government can completely align with the values of the people it dominates, they are inherently shitty, but shittiness is a spectrum.
and yes, that is what the CIA is for. that, and cocaine trafficking.
there are cases where this is more or less true. I think the less democratic/representative and more oppressive a government, the less fair it is to group a people with their regime. the saudis have an absolute monarchy that bone-saws journalists in foreign countries.
which probably fucks up their culture something awful, but not in the same ways their government is monstrous.
it literally is a safety issue. people are going to die over this. it’s just not illegal.
cringe cyberpunk. worst genre to live in. at least in the grim darkness of the future you can admit how bad it is.
wait, are you saying that there’s this class that are the beneficiaries of governments and laws, and it’s the same as the class that doesn’t suffer any limitations when they do stuff that the governments and laws don’t like?
and that we’re in this other class, that the laws and stuff exist to punish, but has to fund them and pay for them, or we get punished for that too?
that’s fucking crazy.
I do not; I try to skip over the america bits in history stuff whenever I can.