Lol if Google really wanted to kill FF they would just stop paying them half a billion a year.

They are already training on the fediverse. If something is on the public web, you can assume it’s in some training data somewhere

They’re not forks, but we have piefed and mbin (fork of kbin) and a couple more that have shut down

It seems like every major microblogging platform has a few different flavors

Do you mean every major social media platform?

Google overpays quite a bit so they have a viable competitor to point to for chrome. If the payment tracked FF’s usage numbers it would be way lower now. It makes no financial sense for any other search engine to pay that much.

That’s assuming they could even afford it. Most can’t

The correct solution would have been for Mozilla to pursue alternative income a long time ago. Owning a browser gives you a lot of leverage. Instead they made a half-hearted attempt a few years back and half the products failed. I don’t know why FF fans were so comfortable holding them as the savior of the web when they were entirely funded by Google.

And now… well I don’t see a way forward either. Maybe it should just die then.

Yeah

*threadiverse, we don’t want to exclude other software

Wait first I’m hearing of this one. What happened now?

The IP address is from the US though

I’m not European but isn’t Lemm.ee American?

True but he doesn’t need to. It’s the door in face technique

Running an index is quite a massive endeavor at the scale of Google. They’re a small team.

I think it makes sense considering there’s a competitive market of indexes already. They make small ones to cover some niches and use existing ones for the rest.

Keep in mind they also add their own reranking and stuff on top of Bing Google whatever

Kagi has multiple indexes of their own

And the AI stuff is all opt on from what I can tell. I’ve never gotten any AI thing except when I asked for it

Can learn

Technical talk is always half english anyway

I hope you marked the account as a bot

Yeah lol, and it’s trivial to show

That’s fundamentally impossible. There’s always some baseline you trust that decides what is true

Because it hasn’t been needed. Alternatives like vivaldi and brave do make some changes to allow you to disable Google services. Ungoogled chromium is also a thing.

For all the hate, Google has mostly done fine beyond a few boneheaded decisions.

They’re already dying. This would be throwing themselves in the grave. People aren’t used to paying for browsers