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    “It went from judges getting pizzas, to then judges’ children getting pizzas, to then judges getting pizzas or their children getting pizzas that they didn’t order in my murdered son’s name,” Salas said. […] “We know the first is, ‘I know where you live.’ Second is, ‘We know where your children live.’ And the third now is, ‘Do you want to end up like Judge Salas? Do you want to end up like Daniel?’”

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    Bad headline, WaPo. “Judges say” is pointless. There’s simply no other explanation. Somebody is saying, “I know where you live.”

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    If the judges themselves have come to that conclusion, then I think in this case it’s worth including in the headline. It’s not like “Chris Rock says unsolicited pizza deliveries to judges is meant to intimidate them.”

    They are legal authorities, not just commentators, or journalists editorializing.

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      That’s a stretch. Judges rule on matters to determine the limits of the law. If a judge says “It looks like rain today,” that’s not setting legal precedent for the weather to follow.

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    The important question is this: How effective has this been?

    How many judges, whether or not they’ve been targeted by this tactic, have made rulings in favor of Trump that they would not have made otherwise, out of fear of retaliation by one of Trump’s followers? How many judges going forward are going to rule in Trump’s favor out of fear that they’ll be targeted?

    People have historically used these tactics because they fucking work. And we already know that senators have voted in Trump’s favor on numerous issues up to and including his removal from office based on fear of retaliation from Trump’s followers. We have seen officials ranging from local school boards right up to state officials either drop from races or resign from their positions due to intimidation and harassment tactics from hardline opponents.

    We’ll never be able to answer the question of how effective this has been since no judge will ever admit to ruling in Trump’s favor because of these tactics. But the chances that this has happened, and possibly even happened quite often, is very, very real. How many laws are still on the books because the judge that was assigned the case was intimidated by Trump supporters? How many things has Trump gotten away with because prosecutors and judges feared retaliation or even civil unrest?

    And since it’s what will be viewed as “Democrat” judges that are targeted, I’d be willing to bet that the Senate isn’t exactly going to put too much faith into investigating this until Aileen Cannon starts getting orders from Domino’s.

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      until Aileen Cannon starts getting orders from Domino’s.

      Exactly: judges won’t start standing up against Trump until they start getting more threatening pizzas from non-MAGAs than they do from MAGAs.