• console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        313·
        5 hours ago

        Feddit.org instance is hosted in Austria but enforces German policies/law stating its illegal to question the statehood of Israel. Critism of the Gaza war/genocide, governmental issues etc are allowed I think. You just can’t say Israel should/must not exist (when you agree with that, you are a “Zionist”) or all Jews should be removed/killed/dead (antisemitism), things like that. Both are illegal under German law. Most of your instance and some other instances and users are against feddit.org for this reason.

        My take is because almost all of their (feddit.org users, as OP is registered on) users are German (and atleast German speaking) citizens it makes moderating and request from authorities not a pain in the ass. How do you differate from a German speaking user/ post in german if they could be from Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, living somewhere else? So they went with complying with German law (that’s how I understand this drama)

        Think what you think of it but that’s it in a nutshell.

        • Petersson@feddit.org
          11·
          4 hours ago

          You just can’t say […] all Jews should be removed/killed/dead (antisemitism), things like that.

          Wait, one of your problems is that you can’t call to mass-murder? Or did I misunderstand you? Do you have a problem with not being allowed to call for murder or do you just state that it’s not allowed?

        • CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de
          61·
          5 hours ago

          You are wrong on so many things, I don’t even know where to start. Just take everything you wrote, mark it wrong and then forget about it.

            • CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de
              8·
              4 hours ago

              I’ll keep it brief:

              1. Denying Israel’s right to exist is not a crime, it’s just antisemitic. If you want to know why, look it up.
              2. Antisemitism is not illegal either.
              3. There is a paragraph in the law against incitement/hate speech but that makes it punishable to speak against any given specific group of people in a way that’s able to disturb the public peace (plus some more factual characteristics, law is complex, read it up for yourself if you’re interested).
              4. This is the first time I’ve come across anyone who is “against feddit.org” for any reason, who and where are all the users and instances you mentioned?
              5. That whole shit about requests from authorities doesn’t work that way. None of it.
              6. Even if all of what you said was true, how does it make feddit.org a zionist instance? Are the mods zionists? All (or a majority of) it’s users? Is the content there zionistic in nature?

              You have no idea how german law works and what’s the code of law. Read it up before you comment on it again. There’s https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ listing up all the legal code of Germany (federal law at least, but crime law is federal and the state equivalents are linked somewhere on that page, too). Have fun.

              • console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                14·
                4 hours ago

                1. I don’t agree. Its anti-Zionism. You can be against Zionism but not hate Jews and allow their land somewhere else.

                2. It is de facto. Hate speech, which the government will twist as having Nazi origins.

                3. I am reading up the specifics, because of defining what Volksverhetzung is and what not its vague. But I understand its hard for admins to define the line and imaging having to evaluate every post of every user

                4. There was an debate on @lemmy.dbzer0.com

                5. The second law of NetzDG (don’t know what to call it else).

                “A second law, which is in an earlier stage, aims to make it easier for users to report illegal content and challenge content decisions by internet platforms.”

                I agree that they don’t request themselves, but they ought to remove and report the content. What content is vague but a lot of things could easily be interpreted as hate speech by the authorities.

                “German Penal Code explicitly prohibits hate speech, defined broadly as any expression that denigrates or vilifies individuals based on attributes such as race, ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation.”

                1. I don’t think so. But this is what other users are claiming about @feddit.org. Hence my post.

                Its not my opinion but this was my reasoning on why @feddit.org chose their instance rules and why some people are mad about it.

                • CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de
                  5·
                  3 hours ago

                  I don’t really want to argue about what is antisemitism, so I leave it at that. Just note that I find your definitions really weird and concerning.

                  1. It is de facto. Hate speech, which the government will twist as having Nazi origins.

                  Didn’t say antisemitism isn’t hate speech. But hate speech is not illegal per se. Insults are, but only the insults person can press charges. And Volksverhetzung is, which you want to read up.

                  1. There was an debate on @lemmy.dbzer0.com

                  That tells me everything I need to know, thanks. /s

                  1. The second law of NetzDG (don’t know what to call it else).

                  “A second law, which is in an earlier stage, aims to make it easier for users to report illegal content and challenge content decisions by internet platforms.”

                  I agree that they don’t request themselves, but they ought to remove and report the content. What content is vague but a lot of things could easily be interpreted as hate speech by the authorities.

                  Again, it’s not about hate speech. A lot of hate speech isn’t punishable. NetzDG is about the punishable cases and makes it easier for users to have existing law enforced. I don’t know how that makes feddit.org a zionist instance.

                  “German Penal Code explicitly prohibits hate speech, defined broadly as any expression that denigrates or vilifies individuals based on attributes such as race, ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation.”

                  That is incomplete. Again, read up on Volksverhetzung. And, if you want, insults (§185 StGB).

                  1. I don’t think so. But this is what other users are claiming about @feddit.org. Hence my post.

                  Its not my opinion but this was my reasoning on why @feddit.org chose their instance rules and why some people are mad about it.

                  If you don’t agree on feddit.org being a zionist instance and can’t even defend that claim/explain others’ claims, why even make the effort instead of letting OP explain themselves? Only thing you’re doing is open up the doors for strawman arguments. Hence I end the discussion here. I see no point in continuing. Have a nice day.