Its not like there are enough people in the country illegally to fill the concentration camps the budget bill is going to pay for

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      Too late, the opposition (my fellow Democrats) made sure most of us aren’t armed.

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        Lives in a nation with more gun deaths than a major conflict every year.

        “We need more guns!”

        If guns stopped fascism we should be the least fascist nation ever. Since we are the most fascist nation it is more likely guns are part of the problem, not the solution.

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          I have read the premise phrased as follows:

          “No amount of meaningful change will occur until the wealthy fear for their lives.”

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            Counter-counter point: It takes fascism to defeat fascism therefore we should embrace gun culture and become fascist. The only way to stop a good fascist is to become a bad one /S

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                Please, you have no clue what history has shown us. We are the worst, most violent civilization the world has ever seen. We lose more Americans every year to gun violence than most countries lose in a major conflict. That is our fucking baseline.

                You better wise up quick.

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        The neoliberal controlled opposition is disarmed, because you don’t need personal arms when you have cops and your goal is preserving the power of the state and the capitalist boot.

        The actual opposition (who have been disenfranchised by your fellow Democrats), were never so naive and are armed just fine. Just disorganized and excluded from the political machinery.

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        “Most of us aren’t armed”? Homie US citizens own 120 guns per 100 people. The fucking answer to absolutely every problem here, left or right, has been to arm themselves. We have literally never had more left-wing people carrying pistols.

        Like Jesus Christ, someone got shot and killed at the ‘No Kings’ rally in Idaho, and all three parties involved were left-wing. I am not sure what planet you’re on, but it ain’t Earth.

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          I mean…when we say guns, are we saying they own 120 AR-15s? Or are we realistically saying that certain gun owners like collecting even rather useless guns? Like most gun owner wishlist are having an AR, AK, 1911, Glock, a revolver of some kind, SKS, Mosin, PS-90, etc. Once you got one gun, it’s like “yeah I mean I can have fun with just one gun, but it’s funner to larp as a Soviet soldier with an AK, and also 1911s are objectively beautiful guns, and also yeah 1911 is a pistol, but a Beretta 92 FS would be cool because it looks cool and is in a bunch of movies, and you know, even though I have 2 pistols, a Glock would be nice because it’s practical and utilitarian and those other 2 pistols are just for fun, and also i can makr glock perfection memes, and now i want a civilian version of an MP5 because that shit looks sick in the movies I see it in, and also I’m a fan of Stargate, so fuck it I’m going to get a civilian version of a p90 too, and also you know what else would be cool? A revolver, maybe two of them, one for my detective larp and one for my cowboy larp. And shit, I’m interested in a shot gun too, for self defense of course, so let’s get a Mossberg! But damn the KSG bull pup shotgun looks so sci fi and cool, so I’m gonna get that too, and also wow some double barrel wooden stock shotguns look beautiful! I want two, one that I can afford to rough it up a bit with for hunting, and one really beautiful one, because why not!”

          Like a few of the guns above are practical for combat and or revolution or what not because of their ease of fixing, customizability, etc. But a lot of them are redundant and bought because of some cursory historical interest/larp/coolness and alot are just for fun.

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          Yes, but averaging is the wrong take here. I believe the actual amount of gun owners is under 40%, if I remember the studies. I personally witnessed a messy divorce, and the individual that had a personal stake in the gun collection moved somewhere in the realm of 200 rifles out of the house. I thought I knew gun nuts* before that, and it blew my mind. Those sort of folks are going to massively skew the guns per capita.

          *I had seen collections of 50+, but they were rare and rich… most ‘nuts’ that I knew just liked their personal amount of 5-10 that they thought were the bee’s knees.