Lawmakers in Florida are raising alarm over documents suggesting immigrant children and pregnant women could be detained at ‘Alligator Alcatraz.’

A draft operational plan obtained by the Miami Herald suggests minors could indeed be transported to the controversial site in the Everglades. The 35-page undated document details protocols to “separate minors from unrelated adults” and to provide “snacks and water” to minors, pregnant women and detainees with medical conditions during transport.

“The State of Florida is planning to send pregnant women and children to the ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ detention camp,” wrote State Senator Carlos Guillermo Smith on social media. “This is totally un-American. We cannot be silent.”

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    Call it what it is: a concentration camp, a death camp, or perhaps Alligator Auschwitz.

    Alcatraz housed convicted felons. This place is housing non-criminals. Immigration is a civil infraction, like a parking ticket. If you ever stole something from the store or got in a fight, you’re more of a criminal than these folks.

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    Honestly, how is it any better to send young men there? I’m not wild about sending pregnant women and children there obviously, but…are we indicating that men don’t matter?

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      It said pregnant women and children. Which are both vulnerable populations that are more at risk for death from severe heat stress and malnutrition and stress .

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      Honestly, did you look at any of the pictures? You think people with delicate health conditions should be sent there? Really?

      Also, I’m assuming you’re genuine, but there are many people who post similar comments, things like “All lives matter.” And yes, human life is worth respect, but at the same time, you don’t want to be confused with a bigoted troll.

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      A lot of our culture accepts and promotes the idea that men are inherently dangerous.

      It is a depressing reality that to most people men (as a social class) are less important than others.

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        I think it’s nice actually that we can recognize that pregnant women and children are more vulnerable groups of people that sometimes require more protection than men. I say that as a man.

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          I second this. I am nowhere near as vulnerable as a pregnant woman or a child. I choose to put myself below them, as they are in the position of such vulnerability. I’m personally okay with that.

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          Yep, there is not a big cabal of pregnant women having concentration caps built to hold white men. Not all men are dangerous, but more are than pregnant women.

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    Based on their laws, if the adverse setting they’ve placed a pregnant woman in causes a miscarriage, all of the employees are partially responsible for a homicide right? Since life begins at conception right?

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      The problem in your logic here is that immigrant children aren’t people in their eyes, so fetus or not they can’t be murdered.

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    So they’re sending children to death camps already? I thought it would take longer than this

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    Florida Lawmakers Sound Alarm Over Plans ‘To Send Pregnant Women & Children’ to ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ concentration camp

    FTFY

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        Honest question, what’s flagging this as AI for you? I can generally catch them pretty easily, but I’m not seeing it here.

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          The sepia filter and the styling of the font as well as the whole overall feel is exactly like ChatGPT does cartoons.

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            Honestly, thank fuck for the AI studio Ghibli trend, they overtrained the models on that stuff and caused the easily recognizable piss filter to appear. Makes finding AI slop at a glance easier.

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          The idea of leopards eating my face is not that original. I have seen similiar comics by real artists hundreds of times. I would much rather see those with credit than something ChatGPT generated.

          Edit: Also, it’s not the users idea

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              Dude I’ve been doin meme shit since they were called “fads”, since Mr T had eaten my balls, but I draw the line at stealing a fun, simple, handwritten comic and making AI slop of it. I’m not a full-on AI hater at all, but fuck that noise. Post the original.

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    Ok so. How has no one taken a drone out to this facility and gotten a recording of the entire exterior of it?

    Because based on what I’ve seen, a couple of guys with bolt cutters could do some serious damage to it.

    Hell, have we learned nothing from Ukraine? Get some cheap ass FPV drones to land with strips of thermite?

    Like I’m 1.5k miles from where it is, so that’s a bit of a problem for me. But how is there no one in Florida capable of this kind of thinking?

    It’s like everyone completely has no idea what “sabotage” is, and that you don’t need to hurt people to defeat a regime.

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      Said who, besides you?

      No, sending men there is not OK; but yes, sending pregnant people and children there is indeed even worse than sending men and women in good health there.

      Glad to have cleared that up for you! As soon as you’ve worked on your reading comprehension, I recommend looking up the term “straw-man argument”.

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        They are pointing out the alarms only going off for women/children instead of for everyone

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          The alarms are not going off for women, they’re going off for pregnant women, but all these “whatabout men” comments are ignoring that non-pregnant women are also in the ignored group and just making it about men’s welfare being discredited. Gives MRA vibes.

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        I think you’re the one who needs to work on your reading comprehension. The air quotes around “okay” clearly indicate that they think it is NOT okay.

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          That’s a good faith interpretation, but I’ve never seen a comment like this that isn’t whining “but what about men”.

          The comment is saying: “oh, so we are pointing out that sending people to places like these is bad when it’s happening to women, but not when it’s happening to men”, which is whataboutism, derailment, and a misreading of the article.

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    “What we’re witnessing isn’t about security or solving problems,” they said in a joint statement, “It’s about inhumane political theater that endangers real people.”

    Yep. It’s a theater of cruelty that would have delighted the Marquis de Sade.