ACAB includes the troops. Fuck em
Short answer: good luck with that. Deployable up to 100K. Total population you’re trying to control is 15 million. So 1 per 150 citizens.
Except it obviously would quickly need to include the Bay Area, St Louis, Indianapolis, Portland, Seattle etc
Stay the fuck outta Portland, you Nazi bastards 😠
Goddamn right.
They want to provoke a violent response to scare the shitlibs into supporting martial law and a Reichstag Fire type event.
The 100k combat troops don’t mean anything compared to a million cops and the reality that only a very, very small percentage of Americans are organized enough to actually put up resistance.
Dumbfuck really wants a ground war.
they dont fear confrontation because they think they have the means to jail, out-shoot, and out-kill the “Left”
They really think they will just be fighting the left.
Depends on how loyal to him the military is.
They aren’t supposed to loyal to him, they are supposed to be loyal to the constitution.
Oh, supposed to.
I hope they don’t use the military on the homeless
Bonus army moment
Douglas MacArthur and George Patton murdered and beat up a lot of fellow soldiers. A disgusting and rather unknown part of US history.
… that’s literally what he said he was going to do
but but but guys, Kamala Harris had a weird laugh….
/s
We had a bad choice and a worse choice. So i said let it all fall.
Fuck you
So i said let it all fall.
At lest vote 3rf party.
Otherwise the material reality is that you got out the way for the worse choice. Obstruction isn’t ideal, but its helpful none the less
At least with the bad choice more people would have energy and resources to fight back in more meaningful ways.
Worse option is exiling American citizens, tanking the economy, persecuting minorities, taking away rights, ignoring the constitution and, notably, full backing genocide in Gaza.
Bad option would not act to stop genocide in Gaza.
Clearly the same thing.
That was never the criticism from anyone actually opposing Trump. The criticism is that she built her career as a cop, locking people up for minor offenses, fighting to keep them in prison for cheap labor, and then went on to campaign for the most lethal military machine on Earth. But sure, go ahead and whitewash her record because it’s easier to joke than to confront the fact that your “lesser evil” still has blood on her hands.
If you didn’t turn out to vote you didn’t oppose trump.
I said criticism, you think no one who opposed Trump should have criticised former cop who built her career on locking people up?
ACAB, just not one of the worst kind?
At least she isn’t nazi, traitor, piece of shit like Trump.
She absolutely is a Nazi. A nice Nazi that supported genocide.
Liberals have supported plenty of genocides.
As have socialists.
I only really saw those criticisms of her from people already on the left. What I saw (in generalized and slightly exaggerated manner) from conservatives was, “NO, SHE’S A LIBERAL, WOKE, COMMUNIST WHO WANTS TO DESTROY AMERICA!”
To which most people I saw on the left respond with, “Communist? The former cop and DA?”
That’s literally what I’m saying.
This is untrue.
Every criticism presented is completely true. She would have been better than trump, but she was a terrible Democratic candidate. She would have made a better Republican candidate. Her campaign would only needed to have focused on her prosecutorial career.
Funny how he keeps San Francisco out of his dumb mouth.
And also all of Florida.
There’s a reason why he didn’t say San Francisco. Our residents will actually fight the feds. They hot and ready in the bay.
I wish I had something meaningful to say about this.
WTF is in those files???
Release the Trump/Epstein files
Just making it a bigger loss for him in the midterms.
Getting the military in place for the coup.
the digital coup has already occurred.
A coup is what happens when you remove the president/dictator.
In this case, the power to be removed will be the congress and the senate, so the current president can become the dictator.
… um… he already IS the dictator.
Yes, we all know there will be some empty ‘legal’ bullshit involved.
the second Self Coup. 3 years early
He’s getting everything prepared for when he denies the next election. He doesn’t want to lose power to a pesky thing called democracy.
It’s way more than that. We’re only 7 months in. This is complete power grab, complete takeover. Democracy will only barely matter by 2026. And there will be no loss to deny.
Yep, and there’s no way to stop him. Everyone just sat there looking while politicians slowly dismantled all the protections.
Yes there is, it’s just violent.
Not really since he controls the army.
Oh, wow, 100k combat troops (who won’t all join the fascists) with places they sleep at night.
What hope does the sane portion of 350 million people in the most armed nation on Earth have?
The real question is whether the generals will let him nuke American cities.
The resistance would very likely have other countries supplying weapons.
If he’s even on the ballot all norms have already broken down at that point.
“Trump floats the idea of starting a civil war.” FTFY.
Trump floats the idea of starting a civil war
Russia floats the idea of a new American Civil war. FTFY.
Russia already won their information campaign. NATO is dismantled, Europe is weak and the US doesn’t listen to Europe’s complaints and concerns anymore. Leaving them free to start wars wherever they want in Eurasia, no one will stop them. America is checked out, and Europe doesnt have the guts to make a stand.
Nato is not dismantled. Stop pedaling bullshit
I reluctantly welcome that, if only because that is permission to force his ilk into a well deserved box. At this point, I consider the Turdpublicans and Geronocrats to be the enemy of anyone who isn’t wealthy.
We are already at war, it is just that ordinary people believed we were all part of the same society.
I saw that movie. Loved the ending.
We need a similar ending here.
I just want a quote.
Look, the Epstein shit is important, and it’s important that we keep it in the conversation, but this isn’t a fucking distraction. Do people seriously not understand how dire this is? This isn’t a fucking joke. We are deep into full-on fascism now.
thanks man, finally someone else saying it!
We’ve been chasing the dragon since 2016: This is gonna bring him down, that is gonna bring him down, oh no but wait, this is definitely going to finish him off. How is the Epstein story ever going to harm him in any way?
In reality those things are the distractions from the real shit that’s been happening. Now that he’s accelerating his fascist actions in plain sight, how dare anyone say it’s just a distraction? This narrative only works in his favour, jfc.
it’s all important. don’t lose sight of any of it
I’ve been trying not to. And I am losing my mind.
I work at Microsoft and they just did massive layoffs all of this year. Last round I was layed off. 9000 of us in the last round.
I say this, because, I think people might associate tech jobs and education with being more liberal and pro immigrantion. This is not the case at all. The liberals are being offered fascism as a means to deal with their unemployment and will accept it with open arms as their material conditions decline. Most people I know from my job would absolutely join ICE for the paycheck as the tech sector lays off more and more people.
I’m sure we are seeing this in other industries as well. But just sharing for mine. ICE is going to look like an attractive job for a lot “middle class” Americans to be able to make rent. None of them are having class conflict conversations either. These people have next to no idea of what is going on.
We will not just get the hogs joining ICE. You’re gonna see a lot of liberals start to justify it as their livelihood starts to get connected to it too. This is how fascism works.
That’s a really good point. I remember at the most recent DEFCON, Cory Doctorow got a heckton of cheers when he was talking about tech workers waking up to the fact that they were workers, and are beginning to push towards unionising. In the comments, people were glad to hear the cheers, seeing it as evidence of the shifting tide that Doctorow spoke of.
However, as you highlight, this mass squeezing of the middle class will also send a significant chunk of people over to Fascism. We definitely shouldn’t become complacent
I would say there are definitely some people that care as the industry becomes more and more exploited for its labor. But I have yet to meet a software developer that has connected their pro labor sentiment to real class solidarity.
Most complain about H1 people taking their jobs but blame the H1 people themselves and not the corporation that is exploiting their labor.
I try to explain to them that there is no labor movement in our industry that will be successful without H1 holders being on our side at the negotiating table.
It’s a really hard thing to get through to a lot of people.
When the economy crashes it will be the ICE half of the poor killing the other half poor - that’s the plan.
I watched a documentary a couple days ago about a school counselor who got laid off and needed to join ICE to make his monthly nut.
needed to join ICE
Yeah, no. Fuck that.
They’re talking about South Park.
A nut’s a nut and they’re hiring.
I was just doing my job
Is not a valid excuse for collaborating with fascists. It wasn’t for the Nazis, it’s not for the IDF, and it isn’t for ICE/Trump regime.
Fuck anyone who normalizes this.
Must be nice to be rich or out of touch enough to be idealistic.
you haven’t got a clue how many poor people have stood up against fascism throughout the last century. Fuck these excuses.
that school counselor couldn’t texplain who has a $8000 monthly nut. though. wtf
Worst part was all the people on Lemmy saying they are normalizing people joining ICE. Uhh no. They aren’t. They were showing a very real situation that has historical significance for many of history’s past fascist regimes.
“… and needed to join ICE to make his monthly nut.”
As someone watching from out side, no shit. The us has crossed the Rubicon a while ago, no longer a nation based on laws, no longer a place that people have rights, no longer a place with free elections (well this one has been around for a bit with the stupid 2 party system) and no longer a place other nations want to do business with.
The most infuriating part of this has been watching americans (and more of the rest of the world then I would have liked) act like this is all potentially bad and then normalizing just flat out dystopian shit. Like shit this is not even the first place troops have been deployed to put down political “wrong speak”.
This is exactly whats happening. Every fascist act is normalized. There is no line to cross. There are just constant moves that are more and more harmful. Sinclair Lewis wrote about this almost 100 years ago.
act like this is all potentially bad and then normalizing just flat out dystopian shit.
Yes, that’s how it happened last time as well.
Martial law is next! I tell ya.
This is damn near the same thing, without all the fancy steps.
Those “fancy steps” are the only things that would make this legal. Without them, all he’s doing is violating the Constitution. DC presents a unique loophole for this. Anywhere else, and he’s breaking the law.
Surely this time he’s done for.
Hate to break it to you man but the law does not matter. It really never has for the rich and powerful but he has laid it all bare
I’ve said time and time again we let the entire Bush admin off the hook for war crimes… Trump hasn’t even hit war crimes levels yet. Did anyone think we were ever going to hold him to account when we wouldn’t even do anything about that?
He committed was crimes in his first term. Ordering an assassination of an islamism general using a diplomatic meeting to lure him out… Is very explicitly a war crime.
I think it started sooner, with Nixon being pardoned and all the senior Reagan White House officials getting away with Iran-Contra
Even farther back. The mishandling of Reconstruction of the South after Lincoln’s assassination.
I don’t disagree, I guess I just felt like Bush’s war crimes of torture within our own military was pretty directly egregious whereas the whole point of Iran-Contra was that the Contras were the ones committing the violence, not US soldiers at the command of their leadership. Plausible deniability and all that. Like, if our society was ever going to give a shit, that should be have been the straw that broke the camels back since there was nothing plausibly deniable about “enhanced interrogation.”
There are so many people who were radicalized by 9/11, that then went on to give Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. carte blanche to do horrific things to people.
The law does matter. People don’t seem to realize just how much of Trump’s bullshit has already been stopped by the courts.
The majority of his executive orders have all been blocked or straight-up nullified, so far…but thanks to the overwhelming volume of court cases and the long delays in reaching some decisions…the media never covers the outcomes to the same extent.
they get their information from the news and social media. both of which are A > Sensationalised,
B > Partisan , and C > Incredibly full of shit and misinformationExactly, he is escalating bc he is feeling pressure. He is getting worried about the midterms. That is not to say that the law will surely prevail in the end, but just to point out that he wouldn’t even be bothering to test the waters with threats of “maybe your city is next” if he didn’t believe he would see pushback.
He’s already sent and recalled much of the military in L.A., so what tf is he even talking about? Floating the idea of sending them again only to then recall them again?
D.C. has gained autonomy as a city, but keep in mind it was already unique compared to Chicago, LA, and NY bc it’s already a federal district. When he called for a “federal takeover” a few days ago, he meant stripping the city of its autonomy in terms of taking the power from the mayor.
When he tried to take LA the first time, he experienced pushback from both city and state governments. Military morale was reportedly extremely low, he made them sleep on the floor bc he didn’t really have any kind of a plan other than a show of force. In the end, he basically succeeded in a public show of wasting money and resources for absolutely nothing.
Now what? He’s going to send in the troops again? Surely they’ll get the job done the second time around.
Buddy if the law mattered even one fucking iota trump himself would be buried under the prison.
If the law was perfect or if the law even worked as intended, he would have been in prison a long time ago.
If the law didn’t matter at all, he wouldn’t bother making threats and testing the waters. The military never would have been recalled from LA the first time around. The FBI would have already arrested the TX Democrats in Chicago, and TX Republicans would have just gone ahead with the redistricting without a second thought (which even I’m pretty surprised that they didn’t).
Will the law alone prevail and save us in the end? Not likely, but there is a difference between being naive and not allowing yourself to panic and be backed into a corner of black and white thinking. In many ways, doing so is accepting defeat.
Being smart and strategizing means using the law and along with everything else to your advantage while you still can. Trump has been bulldozing through law bc his goal is to betray his own country. Democrats in TX are breaking the law, but they’re doing it strategically to save their country. They’re aligning themselves with Democrats in other states, and uniting as Americans. That’s what we all should be doing.
You are a useful idiot for this admin.
That’s not how the law works.
Oh okay please explain how the law works I’m sure youre a lawyer or a judge or some other type of legal expert. We’re all dying to hear how our president isn’t guilty of literally dozens and possibly hundreds of serious financial and sexual crimes dating back to the 1980s, or how he is guilty and the fact that he hasn’t been punished is just “how the law works”
Man I hate lemmoids
He would be dead shortly after being locked up because he wouldn’t survive withdrawal from his fast food and orange makeup addiction.
whenever an EO gets challenged or struck down, Trump figures out a way to get rid of the problem or go around it. the only thing the law is doing is showing him vulnerabilities to exploit. state injunctions are legally being ignored thanks to SCOTUS, so… Trump does not have to listen to judges.
He’s breaking the law all over the US, when you’re rich… they let you. This is no different. Let’s see some consequences somewhere.
No one is “letting him”. There are dozens of active cases against him and his administration, right now. The process takes time, and the media never covers it adequately…but the system is still working.
If the system were working Cannon could not have effectively blocked Trump’s prosecution. If the system were working the leader of an insurrection against the government of the United States could not have even RUN for President, much less BEEN SWORN IN. If the system were working the personal attorney for the most vile and morally corrupt President in our nation’s history would not have been NONINATED, much less CONFIRMED to a federal appellate court.
THE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING. Any conclusions predicated on another other assumption are simply wrong.
This is why we’re doomed. I cannot believe there are people who still think like this
He won’t realize until they come for him. People like him are how it happens
isn’t it disgusting? depressing as hell how these people still feel so confident in “the system.”
So…do you agree with Trump when he tries to suspend or ignore the legal process? Is that your solution? Just, “as long as it’s us doing it, it’s fine”?
It’s kind of bizarre to advocate for the very same shit he’s pulling, as a defense against the kind of shit he keeps trying to pull.
Remember this exchange.
you’re right that the system is working. it is giving us its ultimate: fascism. this is the intended outcome for profit seeking capitalists. if you mean to say our system of American justice is working… surely you jest.
That’s entirely the point. Legal channels are too show to counteract everything at once. See Bannon’s “stress test”.
Dude. That’s literally the same argument Trump was using for why he should be allowed to just deport people without due process. This is not the “solution” you think it is.
So you’re saying we should “go high”… How has that been working out thus far?
SCOTUS:
It doesn’t fucking matter. He’ll do it all anyway, without ever declaring martial law. And what the fuck is anyone going to do about it?
Martial Law is too obvious.
Russia is in full scale war, and has not formally declared war, but they are operating as if they have. Trump would do the same, a bunch of different declarations that are in practice, Martial law, but without actually saying it, because Martial law is too obvious of a rubicon.
GOP MAGA is trying to boil the frog, what determines if there will be a revolution or not is if huge parts of the country suddenley believe we’ve crossed the rubicon, the point of no return. And it benefits MAGA for those people to have unique turning points, some will wait until X happens, Some wont take up arms until Y happens, It benefits them to boil the frog slowly, because it allows them to secure their position more and more before a potential confrontation happens
declaring martial law is a clear sign to everyone “Yup, Im declaring the civil war” its too obvious, it doesnt benefit Trump to do that until he thinks he is ready, and at that point he’s already won and will be untouchable.
Law means nothing unless there’s some means to enforce it
It means even less, if your first impulse is to toss it all out the window as soon as it’s no longer convenient for you to follow it.
And the consequences of him breaking the law will be…? He’ll get arrested and prosecuted like a civilian?
Martial Law was one of the last steps in Project 2025.
Oh he surely won’t do that the morons say.
I saw Marshall Law at Lollapalooza ‘98!
