So how many of the 24 offenders are affiliated with the Democratic Party or any other mainstream reformist, progressive or leftist organisation? The answer is none. The only perpetrator arguably from the Left is Black nationalist Quintez Brown.
Trump not alone in falsely blaming others for his own evil.
Immediately after Kirk’s killing, Elon Musk tweeted, ‘The Left is the party of murder’.
Release the Epstein files!
I can’t believe we’re still having this discussion after what we watched live with our own eyes.
They started gaslighting about it on Day One.
Some asshat on Denver Post forums went out of his way to say things like “INSPLURECTION!” whenever anyone, bending over backwards if you ask me, called it an insurrection (I think it should be called terrorism, and certainly not a fucking “riot”).
For example.
We watched it. They have their own propaganda news network.
i remember watching it go down. i got a call from a telemarketer, picked up, didn’t say hello just told them “dude turn on the news shit’s going down” and they hung up on me. my wife teaches littles, and i advised her to take the day off work as it was obvious to anyone paying attention to statesian politics that shit was going to happen. she said if anything happened it wouldn’t be here (we live in Podunk, California) and her students would need her to help them calm down depending on the size the tragedy. as always, she was more right than me.
Big emphasis on Network in this case. An entire dominant ecosystem promoted by right-wing billionaires and foreign nations like Russia and Israel.
It’s called the Conservative Propaganda Machine.
It’s not really a discussion. They know damn well they are full of shit. But for the most part, they got away with it because we have a history of being soft when it comes to consequences for traitorous behavior.
Actually, we DON’T have “history” of being soft on Traitors. The only traitors we’ve allowed to get away with it are MAGAs. That’s only because the rise of MAGA Power was accompanied by a parallel decrease in courage by Democrats, who allowed the MAGA Scourge to cheat and propagandize themselves into power without consequences
Yeah we let a bunch of confederate soldiers go home to their plantations and start weaving some lie about noble heritage and a difference of opinion. A whole bunch of traitors should’ve hanged but instead they went home and laid the groundwork for today.
That’s our history of being soft on traitors.
Every single Confederate officer & politician should have been hanged by the neck until dead.
That’s a valid point, but I also see how it would have been impossible for Lincoln heal the nation after ordering the arrests and hanging of ever Confederate soldier. They should have hanged the leaders, though.
More importantly, we allowed each state to create their own educational curriculum, so those Confederate states just lied about their history, creating a system of generational hate, inherited by each new generation as “tradition.”
2+2=4 everywhere in the Universe. There is no need for each state to interpret that. We should have a Federal educational curriculum that reflects the values outlined in our Founding Documents. That would have done far more to put America on a moral path than a Confederate Genocide.
This is a good comment that adds to this discussion and I agree with everything you’ve said.
I literally had the fucking guided tour a year before the insurrection and I called out my MAGA ass family who were there with me saying this shit.
I took the guided tour years ago and definitely don’t remember beating a police officer to death with a flag pole.
Ask for your money back.
That was the best part!
Took the tour twice with my kids Safety Patrol…4 years apart…I gotta say the first time with my son we were a bit slow on the uptake and didn’t injure any staff…but I did some research for my second trip and my daughter got the full Monty…we did it like hell in a cell from the top of the cage …through the table , let’s just say quite a few officers were limping home that evening.
That’s the premium tour, you can get a ticket and a memorial Presidential Pardon by donating $500,000 to your local senator’s non-profit, who will make sure it makes it to the big man himself.
The child rapist wants his voters to forget he’s a child rapist
Everything is projection with conservatives. Even when their followers are holding the smoking gun they accuse the left of the murder.
Even when their followers are holding the smoking gun they accuse the left of the murder.
It really is the left’s fault. The conservative terrorists only attack in response to the left trying to be inclusive. And even if the left didn’t directly coerce an attack, it’s still their fault because they should have stopped it since they’re always talking about protecting others. Check and mate.
I have to put /s because these are based on actual arguments used by conservatives…
One of the first things that Kokehead Patel did was shut down the group that was tracking right-wing threats.
If Harris had been elected, good chance Kirk would still be stealing oxygen.
I have to put /s because these are based on actual arguments used by conservatives…
I’ve seen all those arguments and many more. /s is absolutely required.
Good and simple idea for a tshirt actually…
It’s straight up lies from the top. Lower down believers project but the leaders are purposely lying to make projections easier.
The difference is that people who project their faults aren’t necessarily aware that they’re projecting. The Republican leaders know what they’re saying is not only false but that they themselves are guilty of their accusations.
If there was actually ever any left wing terrorism in the modern day, you would genuinely never hear the end of it
It would be bigger in the media than hurricane Katrina
The closest we’ve got recently was a bunch of activists spray-painting military planes in a UK base protesting over UK gov’s/military’s help towards israel… it’s now illegal in the UK to say you support Palestine Action (the group in question). Old ladies got arrested for that (no /s).
I understand why they wanted terrorism charges against Luigi that bad now lol.
And now they lost them. Now they have an extremely weak case that they’ll probably lose, and Luigi will most likely walk.
I get that we want to take the high road, but it is also somewhat disheartening to know that while they are willing to go to great lengths to get what they want, the left isn’t nearly as motivated.
I worry that when things do finally pop off (and they will), the MAGAs will rise to the occasion, and the Dems will just march into the gas chambers without a peep.
Going high when your opponent is willing to burn the country down to remain in power will never work. Republicans have shown that they are willing to ignore the Constitution, our laws and their oaths to their god, but Maga has a problem if they start shooting.
The left isn’t anywhere near a bloodthirsty as Maga, but we are armed. Maga will be very surprised to find out how well armed if they start shooting.
I really like the chart in the article that shows that hate crimes committed by white individuals was going down before Trump started his political career with a bit more earnest.
Does Quintez Brown not count as Left?
Left, but also: “attempted to kill Democratic Mayor of Louisville, Kentucky”.
There is plenty of hatred from “the left” leveled at Democrats. Brown was clearly on the left but is excluded in this article for no reason in particular. The point is made just from the number of rightists on the list. When they start denying that socialists are on the left, we can figure out they aren’t interested in telling the nuanced truth.
He is in the article and mentioned as a lefty, but just absent from the article’s title. I agree, just say “one out of 40” and you still make your point.
So how many of the above 24 offenders are affiliated with the Democratic Party or any other mainstream reformist, progressive or leftist organisation? The answer is none. The only perpetrator arguably from the Left is Black nationalist Quintez Brown.
They do worse. They move the goal posts to affiliated with a mainstream party.
They don’t even do it accurately. Quintez Brown was affiliated with Black Lives Matter. Surely that is a mainstream leftist organization?
Thats just what those vile, insidious leftists want you to think! /s
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Why don’t we think Tyler Robinson aligns with “the left?” I know there was a lot of misinformation on him, but the situation is becoming more clear. We’ll learn more in the coming weeks.
Lastly, right wing influencer Charlie Kirk was shot last Wednesday by Tyler Robinson, a white student from a gun-loving Republican Mormon family. Robinson has no party links, but has reportedly embraced the extremism of right wing racist Nick Fuentes.
Does this still seem correct? His family was conservative, but he was not. Who reports he embraced Nick Fuentes? His family? His partner? Or just “some people” with no credibility?
I got the downvotes but no answers. There was a lot of celebration that Tyler Robinson was a conservative, and the article this post is about pretty much was only written to add him to the list. So, what happens if it turns out he killed Kirk because Kirk was too right wing, not because he was part of a rival right wing faction?
Are we going to own up to the misinformation propagated through the Fediverse?
If you were unaffiliated & didn’t vote in '22 or '24 and had the legal ability to do so, then no, I don’t think you can be considered a progressive or liberal.
This is almost **exactly **what had been predicted for years was going to happen when a MAGAt is primed for violence & then realizes they’ve been lied to the entire time.
Does it even matter that/if this guy wasn’t a leftist? The left has been celebrating and condoning the murder – isn’t that what actually counts? (I say this as someone who’s mostly leftist, slightly liberal.)
Edit: to be clear, I’m not saying that condoning violence and committing violence are morally equal. I’m saying: we can’t simultaneously celebrate and condone the murder and also act like we have the high ground for for not being the party of political violence. That’s having the cake and eating it too.
You think the tone of people discussing a murder afterwards is more important than the literal act of murder itself? The fuck are you talking about?
No. Praising a murder doesn’t actually count as much as committing one in any reasonable system of ethics or morality.
I’m not claiming that.
What do you expect after years and years of the right being violent and murdering the left? People get sick of being bullied
This seems unrelated to what I was saying. You’re talking about what one should expect. Of course I expect political violence.
How is it unrelated?
I was saying that if the left is broadly condoning the murder, then it might as well be the party that murdered Kirk.
And I’m saying that it is conditional. Sucks that we’re here but it’s not surprising. I can’t say agree with your last part. People are also very grey individually so there is no monolith to how someone will react.
Sure, but I feel like it’d be celebrated more if it transpires that the killer is really hard right. Delicious irony.
This one doesn’t count as political?
Alvarado ICE facility attack: 11 charged in ‘ambush’ on ICE officers, officials say
Were the attackers known to be on the left and not just a bunch of dissatisfied right wingers like Crooks and Routh?
Edit: not to mention the list is about people who target politicians, and ICE isn’t a politician.
Limiting to only politicians is disingenuous at best though. Plenty of political violence and actions on non-elected officials wishing to seek a political change the article even mention attacks on lawyers, also find it hard to believe Routh would be a “right wing” terrorist while voting and supporting through funding liberal politicians and causes/political action comities like ActBlue.
Not saying the data is wrong, just not showing the full picture.
Neither was Charlie Kirk…
I don’t think we know for sure, but their slogans suggest that they’re leftists, so it seems worth at least a mention.
ICE isn’t a politician, so it doesn’t fit on the list in the article which is all about people committing political violence.
See my other comment reply: directly challenging the government’s monopoly on the use of force seems like one of the most political possible acts.
Try to stick with the topic. Expanding the list to people being violent against the government is going to include dozens more examples of right wingers which we know based on the federal website that was pulled down shortly after the attack so it wouldn’t openly contradict their lies about violence from the left.
Oh, and all the fucksticks that tried to overthrow the 2020 election.
ICE are dogs. Dogs don’t know politics. They obey their masters that’s all. And a rabid attack dog off the leash must be put down.
And if we add all the SovCit attacks on cops etc, it would come out even further right dominated.
Why would it?
You don’t think stopping the current campaign of mass deportations, which seems like a likely motive, is a political goal?
Edit to be clear: politics is the struggle for control of the polity. Directly challenging the government’s monopoly on the use of force is, perhaps, the most political act of violence possible.
If that’s what actually happened, then yeah. But nothing in the article indicates anything resembling a political motive. That’s why I asked why it should be considered political. Never heard of a “political” jailbreak.
They didn’t try to dismantle anything. And just because they happen to have political opinions doesn’t mean that this attack was political.
And, no, it’s not “political“ just because you decided to redefine the word to fit your accusation. Seriously, is it that hard do I admit you were wrong? Do you want to redefine the English language instead? Didn’t think I’d notice?
Lol
And the US “left” continues to sit by and let this escalate.
There’s a US left?
Hence the quotes
