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Because if we don’t build and profit from the Torment Nexus, someone else will
And that Torment Nexus will kill everyone who didn’t put their best into making that Torment Nexus a reality.
That’s Roku’s Basilisk
What about Roku’s Torment Nexus?
Because capitalism can’t wait to completely get rid of this pesky workers.
I don’t think there is a good reason. It’s an interesting ability for a model. I can see the appeal why people are interested in much the same way I can understand why people climb mountains. Wouldn’t wanna do it myself but I can see why you like it kind of way. For me this falls into the category of “the general public doesn’t need to have access to this.” I get mad when I hear people talk about it in terms of what is and isn’t allowed in it. “And then I tried to put a light saber in it and that was okay but I couldn’t make me into Super Mario.” You just created enough heat in a server farm that will kill a polar bear, that needs to be cooled with future drinking water we need to desalinate, and you have huffed some more air in the hyped up bubble economy surrounding so-called AI. All so you can see where the model draws the copyright line? And if you think that I was modest in my hyperbole, you’ll probably agree with me when I say in a similar spirit that we as a species deserve to eradicate ourselves off this planet.
The so-called AI peddlers have the same problem as news peddlers online. It’s fucking hard to turn users into paying subscribers. And they need to turn a profit at some point. It’s the merciless mechanics of capitalism that dumps all these models on an unprepared general public at dumping prices. A drive to increase shareholder value above any other consideration. It’s time to change that.
And I’m not opposed to this model existing. Research it, fine tune it, offer it for the actual cost you’re running in the background plus a bit of a profit margin. And when it costs $207.40 per month to make these brief videos, I’d be okay with that. It would price out enough users not to undo any of the insufficient climate saving measures we as a species have already implemented.
This is a bit irrelevant but we can’t use sea water for cooling instead. And if we’re already heating sea water can’t we just heat it up more in the end and create a combined desalination server farm.
Are they any major issues I’m missing
I think there biggest problem with sea water is dirt, not just the salt. So it’s easier to waste drinking water on cooling the chips. The idea of a combination server farm and desalination plant is probably possible. Desalination is expensive though. I remember reading about Singapore’s efforts. So this would have to be a big investment with profits pushed far back into a sustainable future. So if you’re on the board and have this fiduciary responsibility to increase shareholder value you’ll probably throw your hands up and give up at that point. Without governments making wasting drinking water on server cooling expensive, this plan will never even make it to the c-suite.
Just going to drop this wiki link, so people know the precident set with this case is one of the driving causes for our current misery.
I didn’t know that! Thank you for that tidbit. Also wanna take the time to say I feel I derived more satisfaction learning of the source than I lost from the bummer.
The final part of that page adds nuance that makes it far less dire. Its not a simple matter.
That’s the same thing that keeps me going at least lol
The general public won’t have access to it. They are locking it down more and more.
Governments, corps, the elite will have access though. That seems worse than open access to me.
High demand will drive efficiency gains in subsequent generations. It’ll be like how processors today use a tiny fraction of the power that processors a decade ago used for the same amount of work. Better instruction sets, architectures and smaller lithography has driven efficient and competitive computing. Similar will happen for AI processors
Sure, but that will only serve to make it more accessible and widely used. AI is still going to keep wasting immense amounts of energy.
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Am I the only one who can’t stand the editing / presentation here? He gave me a migraine in less than 60 seconds.
It’s a bit excessive for my taste as well. Traditionally if you felt the need to cut this much just to make the sentence come out the way you want, you’d just do another take instead of making this many cuts in post. Over-cutting of spacing also makes the pacing a bit too “word-vomit” rather than “polished” imo.
I imagine this is more normalized in stereotypically “zoomer” presentation of video content, but it might also just be this guy (or their editor’s) style.
Yah, same here – thanks!
Hank’s videos are like that. I get stressed watching his scishow stuff too, but deal with it because the content is really interesting.
Yeah, for the part I could watch, it sounded interesting.
He’s cutting out the annoying filler words “um” “uh” etc and useless quiet/dead air. So yes you are the only one.
Filler words makes a piece feel more human. Ironically cutting out human tics in favour of a more sterlised presentation yet criticising AI, how ironic.
Ok, lol, thanks for confirming
It feels quite annoying to me.
It’s just the old school vlogger editing style. Jump cuts, jump cuts, and more jump cuts
I’m not a fan either. It’s especially weird to me since SciShow (his main channel I guess) has the complete opposite style.
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Oh wait, you said should, not why.
Give me a single reason why Sora2 why exist.
Embrace this shit because the fascists 100% are. Use it, learn its limitations. Make sure you keep people informed about it.
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I have never once asked why something should exist. It’s the human will to make new cool things, and in 5y this model will train on your refrigerator, so you aren’t stopping it. These videos complain about the problems of exponentially increasing technology rather than look towards solutions, like anti capitalist organizing. Like, ok, this destroys copyright and IP: guess what copyright and IP is DUMB CAPITALIST NONSENSE. Let’s overthrow it. These people are complaining about companies selling access to these models under cost: that’s because this can never make a profit! If you don’t need labor, cost goes to 0. This will spur unemployment and harm, which will spur worker participation and class warfare.
And the environmental cost is still lower than meat.
To me all the complaining is the sweet voice of class consciousness.
And the environmental cost is still lower than meat.
Meat, whether you think it’s moral or ethical or not, serves a need. People need to eat. People don’t need AI slop.
It’s kind of like saying, “Well yeah I leave this 50kw diesel generator running 24/7. It’s way less environmentally damaging than meat. No, I’m not using the power it generates for any real purpose, but who cares, it’s environmentally friendly!”
I don’t think meat is unethical, nor do I think AI is unethical. Both serve a purpose (slop doesn’t serve a purpose but slop exists because we are doing ai research and expansion which very much serves a long term purpose). I’m just trying to put AI water and power use into perspective.
People don’t need to eat meat 2 times a day 7 days a week.
People don’t need AI slop at all. At least meat provides sustenance.
Yes but think of the shareholders
And the environmental cost is still lower than meat.
It’s not meat.
It’s cars and planes. We know this because we observed a drastic drop in air pollution in both 2008 (following the financial crash) and March 2020 that can be attributed to basically the entire planet no longer commuting and traveling.
That said, LLM’s water and carbon footprints are likely going to be far more devastating than meat consumption, not that it’ll matter. Everyone is still going to vote Democrat and Republican and things will steadily continue to get worse.
Literally mention meat and the internet goes berserk. Does anyone have any commentary on the remainder of my post?
We still couldn’t reverse climate change with 2020 or 2008 numbers… We are FUCKED. Best not to think too hard about it because thanos could barely solve climate change.
I disagree that LLMs carbon footprint will be more than meat. I think it’ll remain thousands of times less than meat basically forever in fact. That’s basically claiming that GPU servers will outnumber cows and chickens in the future. But whatever.
It’s not meat.
It’s cars and planes. We know this because we observed a drastic drop in air pollution in both 2008 (following the financial crash) and March 2020 that can be attributed to basically the entire planet no longer commuting and traveling.
It’s both, and a handful of other industries. The tiny blip of dropped emissions during covid did absolutely fucking nothing to help air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions. It’s just feel-good bullshit the media spread around. Travel is a significant portion of ghg emissions, very comparable in impact to meat production.
Because it’s incredible technology that can revolutionise the film/media industry.
I mean, I’m as big a ML fans as you’ll find on Lemmy, but this is a slop machine to build some Altman hype.
A controllable, integrated version as a tool, with augmentations like VACE or SDXLs controlnet would be neat. Thats also great because it’s not so easy for 1 click zero effort automated spam, which is by far Sora’s largest market as is.
…And guess what. We have that, it’s neat already, it’s open weights, it’s improving, and it’s not so controversial/abused because there’s an actual tiny barrier of entry to using it, like Davinci Resolve vs instagram filters.
The less barriers to entry the better for something like this. Imagine all the people who have always wanted to make movies/tv shows but haven’t had the ability to who could use these tools to make pilots/trailer to sell to studios, or even create full series/movies to self-publish.
Trying to put barriers and “controls” in front of it purely because you don’t like that it can be used to make “slop” is dumb.
And that’s why Sora sucks, because it’s censored, closed weights, totally opaque, largely toolless, and peddled like spam.
Sora is the very beginning, just the first step.
Well the first step was into a fucking cow pie, so that doesn’t bode well for the next one
Huh? The first step is basically immediate generation of video that looks real.
What on earth are you talking about?
First step is to make slop feeds full of bullshit.
You can make movies with e-waste tech these days. There is no barrier to entry.
People who don’t have the drive to make things without AI well never produce anything of value with AI.
You can make movies with e-waste tech these days. There is no barrier to entry.
You’ve never been able to make and iterate as quickly with as high quality as you can using current video generation AI tools. That’s fact.
What “e-waste tech” do you think you can make full scenes with realistic people and CGI with?
Smart phones record exceptionally high quality video. Free and open source CGI software can be run on older computers.
People who want to make stuff will find a way to do it.
Lazy people who want to feel special will generate AI slop.
Free and open source CGI software can be run on older computers.
And take years to learn how to use well, compared to literally seconds of using an AI video generation tool. Then there’s the actual rendering and iteration, which can now be seconds versus hours/days.
Lazy people who want to feel special will generate AI slop.
People who want to make stuff will be able to make amazing stuff with ease with AI.
You AI haters are all so closed minded, only capable of thinking of the lowest common denominator. Who cares if people make AI “slop” when there will also be visionaries making mind blowing stuff with AI?
And take years to learn how to use well
Heaven fucking forbid that a person dedicates themself to learning a perfecting a craft. Meanwhile, you sloppers are out here thinking you’re gonna take over the entertainment industry with your, “Yo Sora, make me a movie that’s like Pulp Fiction crossed with Fight Club with supernatural elements.”
Who cares if people make AI “slop” when there will also be visionaries making mind blowing stuff with AI?
Because that’s all that it’s good for. Every year it’s, “Oh this is going to be so much better in 6 months, bro. It’ll be able to generate full movies by then, for sure, bro.” And every year it does get better, but it’s still complete and utter garbage. It’s still slop.
And even if it’s not slop, LLM tech is basically just a repackaged soulless slurry of existing media. Unless there is a fundamental breakthrough in AI tech, it will always be that. LLMs just work that way. It is a limitation of the technology.
If you can’t see that, then you truly don’t understand what this tech is.
