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Dude, you have no idea what communism is.
Any example you pull for communism is likely going to be Marxist-Leninism. And yes the differences between various communist ideologies does matter, because there are various ideologies of democracy and yes some work better than others.
Literally all communism is boiled down to is workers owning their workplaces cooperatively.
You have an issue with Marxist-Leninism, which fair it fucking sucks. Marxist-Leninism differs from other communist ideologies because it believes the working class is not prepared to own their workplaces yet and so require a vanguard party made up of revolutionaries who know better than everyone else and they will manage everything on behalf of the workers.
You me, and most other people can spot the issue with this. That being, power is centralized into a one party state and thus becomes a dictatorship hell bent on maintaining its control. Democracy and communism are not antithetical to each other. Rosa Luxemburg believed freedom of speech and democracy were necessary for communism. Council Communism is also a communist ideology that puts a lot of emphasis on a free and democratic government made up of democratic workers councils.
Yes Karl Marx actually defined socialism/communism, so if you use something else, it is not socialism or communism but something else.
Just like Social Democracy is VERY different from socialism.
The word socialism has changed meaning over time, it used to mean the same as communism, but now some people use it to mean Social Democrat, which is very confusing.
But there is no doubt about what Communism is, that term never changed its meaning, and Marxism is by definition what communism is.
Literally all communism is boiled down to is workers owning their workplaces cooperatively.
Not true, Communism also contain ideas about society, and that for instance child labor is illegal.
Bro all I am trying to tell you is communism does not inherently mean authoritarian dictatorship. Also if we care so much about how Marx defined communism and that that definition is all that matters then no, socialism and communism are the same thing because that is how he defined them. Lenin is who changed that. But since all we apparently care about is how Marx defined it I guess we can toss out Lenin’s adaptions (fine by me, I hate Lenin).
You gotta stop giving people so much authority. Marx didn’t invent communism, he just created the most popular interpretation and analysis of it. And other people have taken that and adapted and expanded it, Marx does not own the idea. There are hundreds of different ideas and adaptions to Marx’s ideas, if your whole perception of communism is based on Marx and the Marxist-Leninist versions you are working with a very narrow understanding of communism.
communism does not inherently mean authoritarian dictatorship
How does that work without fair elections?
Marx didn’t invent communism,
Maybe not, but his definition is the basis from which all others are derived. So any other form needs to be specified IMO.
I am very well aware that no 2 practical attempts at implementation are alike. Hell some of them aren’t anything more than simple dictatorships, like North Korea.
Dude you arent even debating me, when the fuck did I say there aren’t fair elections? You are literally hitting me with a loaded question. If thats the way this is going to go, then I’m done engaging with this cause you clearly don’t give a shit about having a mutual conversation.
Dude, you have no idea what communism is. Any example you pull for communism is likely going to be Marxist-Leninism. And yes the differences between various communist ideologies does matter, because there are various ideologies of democracy and yes some work better than others.
Literally all communism is boiled down to is workers owning their workplaces cooperatively.
You have an issue with Marxist-Leninism, which fair it fucking sucks. Marxist-Leninism differs from other communist ideologies because it believes the working class is not prepared to own their workplaces yet and so require a vanguard party made up of revolutionaries who know better than everyone else and they will manage everything on behalf of the workers.
You me, and most other people can spot the issue with this. That being, power is centralized into a one party state and thus becomes a dictatorship hell bent on maintaining its control. Democracy and communism are not antithetical to each other. Rosa Luxemburg believed freedom of speech and democracy were necessary for communism. Council Communism is also a communist ideology that puts a lot of emphasis on a free and democratic government made up of democratic workers councils.
Yes Karl Marx actually defined socialism/communism, so if you use something else, it is not socialism or communism but something else.
Just like Social Democracy is VERY different from socialism.
The word socialism has changed meaning over time, it used to mean the same as communism, but now some people use it to mean Social Democrat, which is very confusing.
But there is no doubt about what Communism is, that term never changed its meaning, and Marxism is by definition what communism is.
Not true, Communism also contain ideas about society, and that for instance child labor is illegal.
Bro all I am trying to tell you is communism does not inherently mean authoritarian dictatorship. Also if we care so much about how Marx defined communism and that that definition is all that matters then no, socialism and communism are the same thing because that is how he defined them. Lenin is who changed that. But since all we apparently care about is how Marx defined it I guess we can toss out Lenin’s adaptions (fine by me, I hate Lenin).
You gotta stop giving people so much authority. Marx didn’t invent communism, he just created the most popular interpretation and analysis of it. And other people have taken that and adapted and expanded it, Marx does not own the idea. There are hundreds of different ideas and adaptions to Marx’s ideas, if your whole perception of communism is based on Marx and the Marxist-Leninist versions you are working with a very narrow understanding of communism.
How does that work without fair elections?
Maybe not, but his definition is the basis from which all others are derived. So any other form needs to be specified IMO.
I am very well aware that no 2 practical attempts at implementation are alike. Hell some of them aren’t anything more than simple dictatorships, like North Korea.
Dude you arent even debating me, when the fuck did I say there aren’t fair elections? You are literally hitting me with a loaded question. If thats the way this is going to go, then I’m done engaging with this cause you clearly don’t give a shit about having a mutual conversation.