After a period when President Trump seemed to be more inclined to the Ukrainian side, he now seems to be taking the side of Russia again. On board his plane the Air Force One he told reporters that Ukraine and Russia should stop fighting and that he wants to leave the situation in the largely Russia-occupied Donbas as he is.
And the British newspaper the Financial Times (FT) writes that the meeting between Trump and Zelensky at the White House went dramatically Friday. Trump is said to have urged Zelensky to accept the Russian conditions for ending the war and to give up the Donbas to Russia.
Based on sources, the newspaper reports that Trump warned that Russian President Putin will “destroy” Ukraine if the country does not cooperate.
Turn of Trump
A little over a month ago, Trump said Ukraine could win the war with the support of the European Union. Then he was remarkably positive about that. In a post on Truth Social, he stated that the country, with the help of the EU and NATO, can take back all territories occupied by Russia.
It seems that last Thursday’s phone conversation with Putin has changed his mind.
According to the FT and The Washington Post, the Russian president has made a new proposal whereby Ukraine will give up the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in exchange for small parts of Cherson and Zaporizha. Exactly that exchange would have been introduced to Zelensky on Friday.
Two sources told Reuters that they had the impression that Trump was influenced by Putin. Trump and Putin have agreed to meet in Budapest in a few weeks.
Screaming
Zelensky came to Washington on Friday in the hope of getting more weapons from the U.S., but according to insiders, the meeting degenerated into a screaming party, with Trump constantly cursing.
That this was not an incident turned out last night on board the Air Force One. Trump said the Donbas region - in southeastern Ukraine - should be divided “in the way that it is now.” “Negotiation is possible later,” he said. “Go home, stop fighting and stop killing people.”
The Donbas consists of the regions of Luhansk and Donetsk. Luhansk is almost entirely occupied by Russia, Donetsk about three quarters.
What Trump is asking of Ukraine:
Pete Hegseth’s tie during this meeting:
Crazy to think it was only a hot minute ago he was swinging the other way.
Fucker is influenced so easily.
But I also think time is on a loop, this was his potion before his previous position in the flip-flop of positions.
it was only a hot minute ago he was swinging the other way.
people need to stop listening to trump and look at what he’s doing instead.
Putin revealed his winning hand to Trump, and it probably involved a lot more killing, and waste, like war does. (Trump is big on trying to stop so much killing…) So he turns up the pressure on Zelensky to take concessions and cooperate to put an end to this war, going as far as even yelling at him. Seems reasonable given the stakes.
I imagine that is closest to reality.
Trump is big on trying to stop so much killing
Well, that’s already pretty far removed from reality
Lol. Oh you were serious?
That’s the Art of the Deal, baby! Throw a screaming swearing tantrum and demand you get your way!
Little baby probably didn’t get his Mcdonalds. One of his Big Mac attacks.
And then poop your pants and call daddy Putin and ask to be called a good boy
Based on sources, the newspaper reports that Trump warned that Russian President Putin will “destroy” Ukraine if the country does not cooperate.
Hey hey hey, don’t shoot the messenger now! Trump is only relaying what his boss told him, it’s not his fault!
Wonder how close to sunset that meeting was. Trump coulda been sundowning lol
If that guy was a drunk he’d be less unhinged.
When the fuck will you people understand that this clown does not have any sort of cohesive tie-together strategy. He just says whatever he feels like, for a variety of reasons – maybe the last person in the room was a good guy today, maybe Fox News rolled old clips of a protest, maybe Orange Guy saw an AI meme of Zelensky doing whatever, who knows.
So saying “Turn of Trump” and legitimizing his actions and words as if they are thoughtful and strategic is ABSOLUTELY BANANAS
Does he even remember stuff, is he steered by the political geniuses around him? Maybe he forgot he diddled kids.
Who knows…
I mean his strategy is doing what his daddy Putin wants and acting like an imbecile all the time
Trump is more scared than Zelensky
Putin puts on the pressure
Because Putin has irrefutable evidence of Trump fucking kids, committing treason, or something else he doesn’t want MAGA to see.
You can say everything is a deep fake at this point so pictures won’t even do. We are so fucked, brave new world.
Or maybe it’s something else, like Putin pretending to get into a snit and saying “No iron fist in a rubber glove for you, Donnie, you’re not my friend anymore.”
Leverage points don’t all have to be coercive. Maybe there’s kompromat, maybe there’s been some weird kind of transference and Trump’s in love with his handler. Maybe he’s an aspiring dictator so he sucks up to other dictators. Or he’s so feeble-minded that he’s easily swayed by anyone who knows how to push his buttons.
Considering Trump is clearly doing everything he possibly can to allow the release of the Epstein files, I would wager Putin has lots of evidence of him molesting and raping kids.
There is literally nothing that he could release that would affect MAGA. Nothing.
The only thing I can think of would be irrefutable proof that the election was tampered with and that Harris actually won. That would either force him to step down and hand it back over to Dems or start a Civil War.
Anything else, related to Epstein or bribery or even if they came out and said he is a confirmed Russian asset and is purposefully destroying the USA because it’s in Russia’s best interest… none of the MAGAs will care. They will suddenly all have clothing that says I (heart) Moscow and shit like that. They ALREADY had “I’d rather be Russian than Democrat”.
There is absolutely nothing that will cause him to lose supporters but proof that he wasn’t actually elected would at least move the needle for the rest of the population.
I don’t even think that would do anything but cause people to cry about it online.
There’s only one way to find out if you’re right or wrong. Let’s release those files!
Trump could slap a MAGA in the face with his dick and they would both agree it was Biden’s fault
They were MINO (MAGA in name only)
Sounds like the next AI slop he’ll be posting.
That’s why they’re posting this garbage by the way, so when real garbage show up they can deny it and call it fake.
And maga would hold Trump’s dick in their mouth after the slapping to keep it safe.
Goes back to when he said he could shoot anyone on 5th avenue…
I don’t think it’s individual evidence, really. I suspect it’s probably more the bot farms and pressure campaign. Those carry a lot of water for the illusion of continued group consensus.
The treason has been out in the open for a while now. MAGAts don’t care.
Or maybe he told Trump he wouldn’t be his friend unless Trump sold out Ukraine.
There’s a reasonable chance that Trump sucks up to Putin not because of kompromat, but because he admires Putin and wants to be his pal.
Likely Putin has tapes made on the Epstein island.
It literally would not matter. Trump could go to each of his followers’ homes, fuck their wife and shoot their dog and they would thank Trump for the privilege
Given what we learned and his responses, I think he was partner with Epstein creating kompromats for Russians.
Mossad is Russian? TIL!
Maxwell’s father had quite Russia connections.
MAGA already knows those things and they don’t care
I think you underestimate the bubble many of these people have built for themselves to insulate themselves from inconvenient truths.
It’s not about MAGA, they would follow him into a volcano pit. It’s about him, his own self-image, his pride.
Trump just seems to repeat the thoughts of the last person he spoke to that actually got through to him somehow. Why Putin seems to be so good at doing that is anyone’s guess.
In any case, this will continue until he meets some European leaders again. I think the person who flipped him last time seems to have been King Charles?
But this all just shows it doesn’t even matter. As Orwell said:
“The enemy is the gramophone mind, whether or not one agrees with the record that is being played at the moment.”
He is too dumb to do anything else. The record will be changed and changed back again and again.
Trump just seems to repeat the thoughts of the last person he spoke to that actually got through to him somehow.
He also recently failed at bringing peace to Gaza, at least he loudly reacted at that.
Why Putin seems to be so good at doing that is anyone’s guess.
Because he’s been Trump’s boss for years.
If you have the facts on your side, hammer the facts.
If you have the law on your side, hammer the law.
If you have neither the facts nor the law, hammer the table.
Just make sure you’re the last one that has called or talked with trump… He just follows the last opinion he heard SMH coward
His addled, decaying mind can barely remember one conversation, so what else could we realistically expect?
I really wish Ukraine could eliminate Putin and as many of his inner circle as possible. The world would be so much better off if all narcissist megalomaniacs were in the dirt.
Every. Single. One. Of. Them.
Is Trump in that inner circle, or does he just want to be?
If we are engaging in wishes I wish the international community did not rush in to loot the USSR post fall which lead to this whole situation.
This is a russian victimhood polemic.
Their genocidal imperialism started way before putin, as early as 91 with Moldova and then Chechnya in the mid 90s. We are ignoring USSR and Tsarist russia of course.
Russians alone are responsible for putin. Don’t treat them like children.
Putin was able to become an autocrat because Russians saw such a horrible decline in social cohesion as outsiders looted their nation. This is factual. Western banks subsidized the oligarchs who created modern Russia. It’s ludicrous to overlook the role the Western banks played
This is false, a sort of a hearsay theory used to justify and white-wash russian genocidal imperialism.
Russian intervention in Moldova began in 1990 and was continued by Yeltsin. So the “west is at fault” argument doesn’t work as a matter of fact.
Since you claim your that statement is factual, can you name the specific oligarchs and Western banks. Provide details and also address a key hole in your argument with respect to current members of putin’s regime (it should be easy to understand what I am referring to if you actually know what you are talking about).
Keep in mind I lived in russia between the mid 90s and the mid 2000s and speak fluent russian.
This might not be your intention, but you are de facto white washing the genocidal imperialism of russian society. Treat russians like adults, not like children.
Why would I be talking about current oligarchs? This would be the originals like Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky, and Abromovich. Western banks absolutely were involved in the looting of the USSR.
You provided no details and cited no sources. You explained nothing.
All you did was list some oligarchs whose names are more in the news. You missed one really important one and Abramovich wasn’t that important on a relative basis.
So beyond saying their names, can you cite specifics?
So you are saying all the current oligarchs were nobodies back then?
I will just add that you coming with fake excuses for the russians benefits no one (even the russians themselves).
Most of the decline in Russian social cohesion was because the well-connected insiders from the mafia, the party and the KGB grabbed everything they could get their hands on and screwed over everyone else. The US didn’t help, with Reagan sending Friedmanite zealots who fucked things up, but nobody in Russia was obligated to listen to them. So drop the victim bullshit about “The US (or EU) didn’t rescue us enough”, it was self-imposed, or at least a consequence of the same societal rot that caused the collapse of the USSR. Things don’t suddenly reset to some zero point after a regime collapses: chaos and corruption are common consequences.
Who financed that grab? It wasn’t Russian banks as private banks did not exist. It was Western banks that financed these purchases. It is silly to overlook the West’s financial sector’s role in this looting.
Im not saying Russians did not play a rolebut the money that enabled this almost exclusively comes from outside Russia.
Russian banks as private banks did not exist
This is false and easily verifiable. At any rate, the whole thing didn’t even work as you describing.
Name the specific western banks and cite your sources.
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So is throwing a tantrum how you become a master negotiator?
He’s butthurt that he can’t get that Nobel peace prize.
The woman who just got the Nobel peace prize thanked Trump personally and has close ties to him so I’m not so sure lol maybe he’ll even get a price the world is already upside down anyway smh lmao
Art of the Deal
It’s almost surreal how Trump who doesn’t give a shit about people, is beating the “stop the killing” drum here?
We all know he doesn’t give a shit about the killing, but apparently he can’t express his real reason to want to end this war?His real reason in this case is because his boss, Putin, wants him to get Ukraine to surrender.
He is extremely irritated that he didn’t win the Nobel Peace Prize and is trying to strong arm an accomplishment.
Running low on weapons is not a good time to also run low on rare earth metals needed to make those weapons.
“I realize the concept might be foreign to you, but I’m beholden to the will of the electorate I represent. You know, like a President.”
I’m sure this has nothing to do with the fact that outbursts of aggression are a symptom of dementia. Cool cool.
It’s more a case of shit flowing downhill. Putin gave Trump a talking-to, Trump got all stressed out, so he lost his shit in front of Zelenskyy.
Anyone with a weak-willed asshole boss has experienced this.
