Hardly can you call it “colonize” when there isn’t a population in said islands. At any rate it’s much less violent than the poverty and lack of political representation that Puertoricans are imposed by the US.
Whatever you call it, I would still say it’s imperialist behaviour of China to take over islands that it doesn’t seem to have a right to. Regarding Puerto Rico, I think they should have proper representation in the US Congress. Are Puerto Ricans being interned in camps like Uyghurs in Xinjiang though?
Taking the BBC seriously on the mistreatment of Muslims in China is as laughable as taking Russia Today seriously on the mistreatment of ethnic Russians in Donetsk.
any independent journalistic work post-2021 about mass mistreatment of Uyghurs
What is wrong with the BBC article I provided? You haven’t shown that the BBC lies or is unreliable. It looks like The Guardian has alsoreported on this story though and here are articles from Sky News.
your lack of concern for Ukrainian mass economic and population crisis
I genuinely am just not aware of what you were referring to. Anyway, I hope that Ukrainians and Russians can live in peace, and preferably with political freedom. The first step towards achieving this would be the Kremlin withdrawing their invasion of Ukraine. I think Ukraine should be able to make their own democratic decisions. Ideally every country should be able to make independent democratic decisions I think.
Are Puerto Ricans being interned in camps like Uyghurs in Xinjiang though?
The reeducation camps were closed years ago. You can travel to Xinjiang yourself and see with your own eyes that the Uyghur are thriving. Go open YouTube and search for travel vlogs in Xinjiang, for real.
RT seems to air lies, while I don’t think the BBC does
BBC was constantly airing lies of the genocidal maniacs of Isntreal, such as mass rapes during Oct 7th in an attempt to do atrocity propaganda against Palestine to justify genocide. They’re literal genocide supporters.
That it’s outdated and based not on independent journalism but on supposed “anonymous interviews”, as all evidence of “mass sterilization” in Xinjiang.
I found this from Amnesty International earlier this year. It says that “Uyghur and other non-Han ethnic groups in Xinjiang have faced torture and ill-treatment, arbitrary detention and enforced disappearance”. It mentions “internment camps” and it doesn’t say those camps have been closed.
BBC was constantly airing lies of the genocidal maniacs of Isntreal, such as mass rapes during Oct 7th in an attempt to do atrocity propaganda against Palestine to justify genocide. They’re literal genocide supporters.
Here you have an interview with an openly lying genocide supporter on prime time.
based not on independent journalism but on supposed “anonymous interviews”
Anonymous interviews are part of journalism. Some people don’t want to provide their names because they could be persecuted. Maybe you dislike the fact that the BBC is not “independent” because it’s owned by the UK government. In which case, look at the articles I provided from The Guardian and Sky News - neither of them is owned by a state.
TLDR: I don’t understand how people who are supposedly on the left try to defend human rights abuses just because they’re done by countries that aren’t allied with the US.
Do you condemn the ongoing US genocide of Italians? I, as an anonymous source living in the US, witnessed a bunch of soldiers rounding up people and demanding to know if any of them were Italian and anybody who raised their hand was executed by drawn and quartering.
If you don’t accept that this is happening based on my testimony, you’re a genocide supporter. Why do you hate Italians?
I don’t think I described the treatment of Uyghurs in Xinjiang to be a “genocide” (if I have used that word then please do correct me). Some people do use that term of course.
If someone showed me a case of those two outlets lying and not correcting themselves when challenged, then maybe I’d believe that The New York Times and the BBC are not reliable. In my experience though they’re accurate with facts, even if I might not always agree with how their journalists might spin a story.
This is about a deportation of Uyghurs from Thailand. The reference to “torture and ill-treatment” is to their 2021 “study” which consists of… You got it: anonymous interviews!!
You keep proving that you have no idea about the topic, you didn’t even know that the camps were closed years ago. Yes, anonymous interviews are part of journalism, but go ahead. Open your phone, and google “tiktok Gaza” and find this week’s videos of genocided Palestinians. Now try and find the slightest shred of video evidence for mass mistreatment of Uyghurs: you won’t find it. In 2025, in the smartphone era, where literally every Chinese citizen holds a recording internet-connected device, it is simply impossible that there is an ongoing genocide or even mass abuse of Uyghurs without being documented.
I don’t defend human right abuses, I just don’t buy into western anti-china propaganda based off “anonymous interviews” in 2025. I’ve been to China myself and there is perfect freedom to record and do whatever the hell you want with your phone, and VPNs are easy to set up and not prosecuted. As a leftist, you should consider why the west cares so much about Chinese Muslims when it hates Chinese and it hates Muslims.
This is about a deportation of Uyghurs from Thailand
Yes, but it mentions their assessment of the situation in China.
Sky News (Australian equivalent of FOX)
Wrong. The British Sky News is different (owned by Comcast, who also own NBC and Universal Pictures). Murdoch sold it. But Murdoch does still own Sky News Australia.
You keep proving that you have no idea about the topic
I provided stories that you have been unable to disprove. Everything they say stands until you can disprove it.
I don’t defend human right abuses
You’ve spent the last few posts doing exactly that.
I provided stories that you have been unable to disprove.
You can’t disprove anonymous testimonies, that’s why the entire Amnesty International report consists of them. From the beginning I asked for independent journalistic work with material evidence, and you’ve supported your claims with nothing the likes of that. Again, compare that to the evidence for genocide in Palestine.
On the topic of Palestine, I think it’s completely wrong that Palestinian civilians have been killed with Israeli bombs and due to an Israeli starvation campaign. But I think that’s a separate issue to whether or not the PRC has mistreated ethnic minorities.
Regarding testimonies, apparently there are several women who have talked about rape and sexual abuse in Xinjiang camps. In the West, when a woman claims she’s been raped, people on the left will often say we should believe those women. If we’re going to take rape allegations by western women seriously then we should probably take rape allegations by Xinjiang women seriously too.
Those last two links are to The New York Times and the BBC, and I guess you’ll say they’re “fake news” or whatever. I’m pretty sure they’re both accurate sources and if they do publish anything false they will usually publish corrections where they admit their mistakes.
Okay I read what you wrote. You say it’s just random instances of police violence in Xinjiang but it looks like an orchestrated programme of forcing Uyghurs to become communist loyalists. The BBC looked at documents leaked from Chinese authorities (these documents were leaked to other media outlets too such as Der Spiegel in Germany):
The cache contains another secret speech, delivered in 2017 by Chen Quanguo - until recently Xinjiang’s hardline Communist Party secretary.
“For some, even five years re-education may not be enough,” he tells his audience of senior military and police cadres, a seeming admission that for as long as any Uyghur continues to feel a loyalty to identity or faith at least as strong as to the Party, there’s no end in sight.
You mention fabricated western propaganda, and sure that can happen. Surely that would come from governments though rather than media companies.
As for the New York Times and the BBC. Maybe you think they spin things in a certain way, or that they don’t cover what they should cover. But that’s a different question to the question of whether their claims are factual. You could have a media outlet that selectively covers only particular topics, but nonetheless their facts may still be accurate.
You might dislike the US and Israel, and sure they have done some terrible things over the years, but maybe there are lots of countries that have done terrible things. Maybe China is one of those countries.
I found it by clicking on my inbox’s RSS feed. If you want to copy it, this is what I can see:
Regarding testimonies, apparently there are several women
There are some isolated testimonies, true. I don’t doubt police violence has taken place, as it does everywhere. Mistreatments of individuals by the police is a recurring phenomenon everywhere in the world, though, and not isolated or specific to China. I condemn the isolated events, but they don’t indicate widespread abuse of prisoners.
Furthermore, testimonies of atrocity propaganda are a well-known tool of the West, such as the infamous Nayirah testimony used to justify the Gulf war. It’s well known that bounties are offered by intelligence agencies to manufacture stories of atrocity propaganda, and so when using testimonies one has to be careful for generalizing. It’s better to refer to independent material evidence, of which essentially none exists for any ongoing mistreatment of Uyghurs.
The “leaked documents” feature internal communications of the party talking about adopting a strong stance against terrorism following the radical islamist terrorist attacks in 2013-onwards. They show no proof of mass mistreatment of Uyghurs, and the whole thing is more of a nothingburger consisting of a few questionably translated bold claims by government officials.
The New York Crimes and the BBC have been complicit over the past years in the whitewashing of the genocidal state of Israel, which has proven that beyond ethical journalism, they’re underpinned by supporting the US-aligned geopolitical narratives.
Whatever you call it, I would still say it’s imperialist behaviour of China to take over islands that it doesn’t seem to have a right to. Regarding Puerto Rico, I think they should have proper representation in the US Congress. Are Puerto Ricans being interned in camps like Uyghurs in Xinjiang though?
No it isn’t, because RT seems to air lies, while I don’t think the BBC does. For example, RT featured an interview with two Russian military intelligence agents who seemed to have lied to hide the fact that they poisoned Sergei Skripal in England in 2018. Can you provide an example of the BBC doing something like this?
What is wrong with the BBC article I provided? You haven’t shown that the BBC lies or is unreliable. It looks like The Guardian has also reported on this story though and here are articles from Sky News.
I genuinely am just not aware of what you were referring to. Anyway, I hope that Ukrainians and Russians can live in peace, and preferably with political freedom. The first step towards achieving this would be the Kremlin withdrawing their invasion of Ukraine. I think Ukraine should be able to make their own democratic decisions. Ideally every country should be able to make independent democratic decisions I think.
The reeducation camps were closed years ago. You can travel to Xinjiang yourself and see with your own eyes that the Uyghur are thriving. Go open YouTube and search for travel vlogs in Xinjiang, for real.
BBC was constantly airing lies of the genocidal maniacs of Isntreal, such as mass rapes during Oct 7th in an attempt to do atrocity propaganda against Palestine to justify genocide. They’re literal genocide supporters.
Here you have an interview with an openly lying genocide supporter on prime time.
That it’s outdated and based not on independent journalism but on supposed “anonymous interviews”, as all evidence of “mass sterilization” in Xinjiang.
I found this from Amnesty International earlier this year. It says that “Uyghur and other non-Han ethnic groups in Xinjiang have faced torture and ill-treatment, arbitrary detention and enforced disappearance”. It mentions “internment camps” and it doesn’t say those camps have been closed.
The BBC airs the views of many people, but it doesn’t mean the BBC agrees with those views. E.g. they did a high-profile interview with Prince Andrew about the sex scandal surrounding him. That doesn’t mean the BBC agrees with everything Prince Andrew said.
On the topic of Israel and Palestine, I have seen Palestine’s head diplomat to the UK interviewed on the BBC, multiple times I think, such as this.
Anonymous interviews are part of journalism. Some people don’t want to provide their names because they could be persecuted. Maybe you dislike the fact that the BBC is not “independent” because it’s owned by the UK government. In which case, look at the articles I provided from The Guardian and Sky News - neither of them is owned by a state.
TLDR: I don’t understand how people who are supposedly on the left try to defend human rights abuses just because they’re done by countries that aren’t allied with the US.
Do you condemn the ongoing US genocide of Italians? I, as an anonymous source living in the US, witnessed a bunch of soldiers rounding up people and demanding to know if any of them were Italian and anybody who raised their hand was executed by drawn and quartering.
If you don’t accept that this is happening based on my testimony, you’re a genocide supporter. Why do you hate Italians?
I don’t think I described the treatment of Uyghurs in Xinjiang to be a “genocide” (if I have used that word then please do correct me). Some people do use that term of course.
I think that rape and arbitrary detention of Uyghurs has probably happened though, because sources like The New York Times and the BBC have reported on it.
If someone showed me a case of those two outlets lying and not correcting themselves when challenged, then maybe I’d believe that The New York Times and the BBC are not reliable. In my experience though they’re accurate with facts, even if I might not always agree with how their journalists might spin a story.
This is about a deportation of Uyghurs from Thailand. The reference to “torture and ill-treatment” is to their 2021 “study” which consists of… You got it: anonymous interviews!!
Since you like Sky News (Australian equivalent of FOX) so much: 2023 article showing the camps are long closed.
You keep proving that you have no idea about the topic, you didn’t even know that the camps were closed years ago. Yes, anonymous interviews are part of journalism, but go ahead. Open your phone, and google “tiktok Gaza” and find this week’s videos of genocided Palestinians. Now try and find the slightest shred of video evidence for mass mistreatment of Uyghurs: you won’t find it. In 2025, in the smartphone era, where literally every Chinese citizen holds a recording internet-connected device, it is simply impossible that there is an ongoing genocide or even mass abuse of Uyghurs without being documented.
I don’t defend human right abuses, I just don’t buy into western anti-china propaganda based off “anonymous interviews” in 2025. I’ve been to China myself and there is perfect freedom to record and do whatever the hell you want with your phone, and VPNs are easy to set up and not prosecuted. As a leftist, you should consider why the west cares so much about Chinese Muslims when it hates Chinese and it hates Muslims.
Yes, but it mentions their assessment of the situation in China.
Wrong. The British Sky News is different (owned by Comcast, who also own NBC and Universal Pictures). Murdoch sold it. But Murdoch does still own Sky News Australia.
I provided stories that you have been unable to disprove. Everything they say stands until you can disprove it.
You’ve spent the last few posts doing exactly that.
You can’t disprove anonymous testimonies, that’s why the entire Amnesty International report consists of them. From the beginning I asked for independent journalistic work with material evidence, and you’ve supported your claims with nothing the likes of that. Again, compare that to the evidence for genocide in Palestine.
On the topic of Palestine, I think it’s completely wrong that Palestinian civilians have been killed with Israeli bombs and due to an Israeli starvation campaign. But I think that’s a separate issue to whether or not the PRC has mistreated ethnic minorities.
Regarding testimonies, apparently there are several women who have talked about rape and sexual abuse in Xinjiang camps. In the West, when a woman claims she’s been raped, people on the left will often say we should believe those women. If we’re going to take rape allegations by western women seriously then we should probably take rape allegations by Xinjiang women seriously too.
Also apparently there have been leaked documents from the Chinese government which give details about the Xinjiang camps.
Those last two links are to The New York Times and the BBC, and I guess you’ll say they’re “fake news” or whatever. I’m pretty sure they’re both accurate sources and if they do publish anything false they will usually publish corrections where they admit their mistakes.
I accidentally deleted my comment, does it still feature in your inbox so I can copy-paste it instead of rewriting it?
Okay I read what you wrote. You say it’s just random instances of police violence in Xinjiang but it looks like an orchestrated programme of forcing Uyghurs to become communist loyalists. The BBC looked at documents leaked from Chinese authorities (these documents were leaked to other media outlets too such as Der Spiegel in Germany):
You mention fabricated western propaganda, and sure that can happen. Surely that would come from governments though rather than media companies.
As for the New York Times and the BBC. Maybe you think they spin things in a certain way, or that they don’t cover what they should cover. But that’s a different question to the question of whether their claims are factual. You could have a media outlet that selectively covers only particular topics, but nonetheless their facts may still be accurate.
You might dislike the US and Israel, and sure they have done some terrible things over the years, but maybe there are lots of countries that have done terrible things. Maybe China is one of those countries.
I found it by clicking on my inbox’s RSS feed. If you want to copy it, this is what I can see:
I will read through it now.
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