800 million people out of poverty is a stretch but if you wanted to make that claim, it’s because the west spent so much money to get goods from China. And the ethnic cleansing of the Uyghurs
800 million people out of poverty is a stretch but if you wanted to make that claim
Yeah, where do these stupid tankies get these numbers anyway? I’m sure China says they lifted 800 million kajillion people out of poverty or whatever, but let’s see what a western source like, say, The World Bank has to say about it.
it’s because the west spent so much money to get goods from China.
I swear these arguments get worse every day. You could just as easily say that the only reason the West has so much stuff is because China made it for them for cheap.
Wait, that’s actually a much more coherent argument lol.
The world bank? My person they are quoting the Chinese propaganda. The west had lots of stuff after ww2, they got more cheaper stuff when they offshored it to China that’s the coherent argument
Why are you so adamantly defending a country which abducts people for their beliefs? (Don’t come at me with “but murica does the same!!!”) The world is not the USA.
They didn’t “abduct people for their beliefs.” They had to reeducate a population that had been radicalized by western intelligence. Now the facilities no longer exist, they’ve been reintegrated, and the west was forced to admit they had no proof of their claims.
Reeducation is the humane option for dealing with violent religious zealots, the US kills them instead and regularly kills their families and innocent bystanders as well, I’d say anyone who prioritizes criticizing the former over the latter is a disgusting human being
That was my “I’m not american, stop with the US-Centric bullshit comments please” line. I don’t need your whataboutism. I condemn human rights violations everywhere.
oh yay, that’s the first time someone didn’t reply with ominous “human rights violations”. So they are forcing uighur children to attend boarding schools far away from their own cultures? How do you know this? And why go to all that trouble?
Is there a source that i could show you that you would actually believe? Like the UN? Or amnesty international? Or all the various reporting on it? Why go through the trouble to commit human rights violations? Racism, authoritarianism, etc.
So the story is that the US and our allies, who have spent decades villifying imprisoning and killing muslims, and who have repeatedly verifiably lied about similar human rights abuses to justify our foreign policy before, are the only ones who can be trusted to tell the truth about the conditions for muslims who just happen to be living in the country which is our single greatest global rival politically and economically, about whom we have an extremely obvious foreign policy motive for lying, but we’re definitely telling the truth this time and everyone else is lying? Every muslim majority nation on earth is apparently only supporting China because they’re either corrupt or too terrified to oppose them, despite the fact that the US has been completely unable to get similar results for Israel with our best efforts? And despite having the most advanced surveillance technology on earth, despite having satellites that can take high resolution pictures of any patch of dirt on earth and an unmatched intelligence network, the US has somehow been unable to obtain any incontrovertible physical evidence of this supposed genocide for years? And you believe that?
800 million people out of poverty is a stretch but if you wanted to make that claim, it’s because the west spent so much money to get goods from China. And the ethnic cleansing of the Uyghurs
Yeah, where do these stupid tankies get these numbers anyway? I’m sure China says they lifted 800 million kajillion people out of poverty or whatever, but let’s see what a western source like, say, The World Bank has to say about it.
I swear these arguments get worse every day. You could just as easily say that the only reason the West has so much stuff is because China made it for them for cheap.
Wait, that’s actually a much more coherent argument lol.
The world bank? My person they are quoting the Chinese propaganda. The west had lots of stuff after ww2, they got more cheaper stuff when they offshored it to China that’s the coherent argument
I see. So The World Bank is also in on the communist plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.
“You only made a bunch of money because you produced stuff people wanted to buy” is not the own you think it is.
What?
Who said anything about “own”? It’s just what happened. Forget the issues that this type of capitalism brought though.
Go watch Dr. Strangelove.
you can’t fight here! this is the war room!
You can literally go to Xinjiang and visit mosques with Uyghurs praying in them. There is no genocide.
Turns out you can’t go there to investigate, I wonder why? https://ishr.ch/latest-updates/china-two-years-after-xinjiang-findings-un-rights-chief-reports-limited-access-to-information-reprisals-against-activists/
Why are you so adamantly defending a country which abducts people for their beliefs? (Don’t come at me with “but murica does the same!!!”) The world is not the USA.
I think you posted the wrong link. That doesn’t disprove that you can go to Xinjiang and see Uyghurs in mosques.
You’re just another genocide denier. Goodbye.
There’s no denying. It just doesn’t exist.
There’s a genocide going on in Gaza. You aren’t allowed to go there and yet brave people still do and Israel shoots those that try.
You can go to Xinjiang. You can see and interact with Uyghurs. You can find them praying at their mosques.
They didn’t “abduct people for their beliefs.” They had to reeducate a population that had been radicalized by western intelligence. Now the facilities no longer exist, they’ve been reintegrated, and the west was forced to admit they had no proof of their claims.
Man, some people on lemmy are really fucking disgusting human beings
Reeducation is the humane option for dealing with violent religious zealots, the US kills them instead and regularly kills their families and innocent bystanders as well, I’d say anyone who prioritizes criticizing the former over the latter is a disgusting human being
Don’t come at me with “but murica does the same!!!”. The world is not the USA.
You people are insane, goodbye.
yet you never seem to condemn the USA for it. Should be easy for you. Maybe next time you read an article about the USA you’ll bring it up?
That was my “I’m not american, stop with the US-Centric bullshit comments please” line. I don’t need your whataboutism. I condemn human rights violations everywhere.
I didn’t say the US does the same, I said the US does far worse, learn to read loser
You find speaking against intelligence agencies to be disgusting?
Israel says the same
Except you can’t go visit. And there is clear evidence.
Yeah there is pretty clear evidence of what China is doing
So you have evidence the state dept couldn’t find? Why don’t you share it with them?
https://law.stanford.edu/press/state-department-lawyers-concluded-insufficient-evidence-to-prove-genocide-in-china/
Did you fucking read the summary?
Yes, they’re still trying to push the lie even as they admit they can’t back up their claims.
It’s your fucking source that there was no genocide lol
I’m still not clear on what exactly it is china is supposed to be doing, is it genocide? How are they doing it and for what purpose?
Not putting people into what is effectively a residential school.
oh yay, that’s the first time someone didn’t reply with ominous “human rights violations”. So they are forcing uighur children to attend boarding schools far away from their own cultures? How do you know this? And why go to all that trouble?
Is there a source that i could show you that you would actually believe? Like the UN? Or amnesty international? Or all the various reporting on it? Why go through the trouble to commit human rights violations? Racism, authoritarianism, etc.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
The Chinese governments motto
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/asia/uyghurs-muslim-countries-china-intl
https://www.memri.org/tv/saudi-palestinian-ambassadors-china-clean-bill-health-xinjiang-knows-best-internal-affairs-liberal-democracies-not-for-everyone
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/muslim-countries-joined-china-in-defending-its-cultural-genocide-of-uighurs-arent-they-ashamed/2019/07/20/0a7d62b4-aa3f-11e9-86dd-d7f0e60391e9_story.html
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2021/08/08/2003762216
So the story is that the US and our allies, who have spent decades villifying imprisoning and killing muslims, and who have repeatedly verifiably lied about similar human rights abuses to justify our foreign policy before, are the only ones who can be trusted to tell the truth about the conditions for muslims who just happen to be living in the country which is our single greatest global rival politically and economically, about whom we have an extremely obvious foreign policy motive for lying, but we’re definitely telling the truth this time and everyone else is lying? Every muslim majority nation on earth is apparently only supporting China because they’re either corrupt or too terrified to oppose them, despite the fact that the US has been completely unable to get similar results for Israel with our best efforts? And despite having the most advanced surveillance technology on earth, despite having satellites that can take high resolution pictures of any patch of dirt on earth and an unmatched intelligence network, the US has somehow been unable to obtain any incontrovertible physical evidence of this supposed genocide for years? And you believe that?
Ahhh more Chinese propaganda. Cope and cope and cope.