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usagi@lemmy.world to politics @lemmy.world · 18 hours ago

Pete Hegseth says he didn't see survivors in the September boat strike because of 'the fog of war'

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Pete Hegseth says he didn't see survivors in the September boat strike because of 'the fog of war'

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usagi@lemmy.world to politics @lemmy.world · 18 hours ago
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Lawmakers in both the House and the Senate have started inquiries into the "double tap" strikes, which critics have said could constitute a war crime.
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    Can someone explain to me why this second strike is such a big deal but the first isn’t?

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      The idea of rules to war might seems strange but I think the idea is that there IS such a thing as a legitimate military objective. For example if the boat IS a legitimate military threat to your nation, you’ve neutralized that threat by sinking the boat.

      “Exterminate people you don’t like” is NOT a legitimate military objective, so the second strike is NOT legitimate as the legitimate military objective has already been achieved.

      But yes, I think many would agree that the initial strikes were ALSO illegal, it’s just that the administration is hiding behind a declaration that these boats are a legitimate military threat so they create a grey area where they are unlikely to ever be held accountable.

      The second strike is blatantly illegal and there’s really no sane defense for that, by defending the second strike they’re essentially admitting to being psychopaths who aren’t behaving like legitimate military leadership.

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      It’s just always cut and dry, firing on the ship wrecked is always illegal they are considered non-combatants at that point.

      This is actually the example they use of an illegal order in the DOD manual.

      Page 1117 18.3.2.1 https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23892053-dod-law-of-war-manual-june-2015-updated-july-2023/

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        They were non-combatants the entire time.

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      Because it’s illegal to shoot survivors of a ship you have sunk.

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        I understand this. My question was, why it wasn’t illegal to shoot the ship in the first place.

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    If the military aren’t going to think about the orders they’re given, maybe it’ll give them pause when the person giving them is clearly a coward who will blame those he ordered

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    Once you get to the information age and put enough research points in your tech tree to unlock satellite imagery, fog of war is cleared.

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      Doesn’t clear the fog of whiskey

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    Last week he didn’t order the first strike.

    At the beginning of the week he didn’t order the second strike.

    Today he ordered the second strike but didn’t see any survivors.

    America is fucked. Any other timeline the FBI and MPs would be marching into the Pentagon and arresting him and everyone else involved for murder

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      They definitely should, but would they? After what the US did to Guatemala, Chile, etc. I doubt that would ever happen, although the war criminals would probably be more subtle.

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      Was gonna ask if War was a stout or IPA.

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    It’s not a LITERAL fog, you warthog-faced buffoon.

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    Is that when you’re not quite drunk enough to black out but you’re just browning out a little between lines?

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    Is he trying to claim he’s Alethi?

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      Don’t think he’s got the mental capacity or inclination to read that many words to even know who the Alethi are.

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    I don’t think it counts as “the fog of war” if there is no war.

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      Also no fog.

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      The fog of hangover?

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        The fog of tequila

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    Why would you scream about killing them all of you didn’t think anyone was still alive?

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      And why did you attack it again if you thought there was no one alive?

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        “They must be dead by now. Destroy what’s left of them.”

        ~ Pete Hegseth

        https://youtu.be/3RCYs0N5Wsc?t=58

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      Have you ever said something while drunk, and needed someone to remind you of what you said while drunk? Or have you ever played Mario Kart with another person?

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    Changing the story. Let him talk more.

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    Murderer.

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    As in every game, the fog of war is literally just not going to look

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