• rumba@lemmy.zip
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          no, we really don’t. 200 years is nothing on the scale of humanity. We have Nazi’s resurging, the south trying to rise again. We have peaceful protests trying to be outlawed and the administration regularly calling for the death of their opponents.

          None of this will change without the thread of violence, and likely they’ll call on that.

          The violent coup in DC a few years ago was just them telling us they were ready to be violent.

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            Diplomacy, conflict resolution, etc. Not really motivated to fight against the tide of lemmy people sipping koolaid. But if you step outside the echo chamber, it’s mostly common sense.

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              Kinda funny how you’re talking about an echo chamber when you yourself are just repeating the mainstream media talking points about diplomacy. There is a reason why they promote peaceful solutions, it’s because they’re easier to ignore or quash.

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                How is wanting to avoid civil war “mainstream”? I mean sure, go and promote revolution from the comfort of your climate controlled box with modern amenities, detached from the horrors of war. The feds have tanks.

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                  As I already stated, peaceful solutions are easier to ignore or quash. You cannot negotiate with someone who can already get their way because they have nothing to gain. Negotiating to them means giving things up. If they refuse to negotiate, how are you going to bring them to the bargaining table?

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      Violence generally doesn’t get what you want out of the system.

      Changes made during peace only last until someone willing to be violent undoes them.

      Changes must come with a small amount of fear of retribution on reversal, or capitalism/authoritarianism will come and eat your lunch.

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      The American Revolution, the violent uprising that gave these assholes governmental power, proves otherwise.

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        Though the ideas espoused for the revolution might be grand, the cause and motivation behind those who joined the revolution was purely monetary.

        • Rich didn’t like being taxed so they made their slaves join the army.
        • George Washington didn’t like the fact that the British having lost the French Indian war made a pact with the Indians which stopped his business of prospecting.

        The American revolution was a war of businessmen against the government in England. The government was and is the same; in the past only rich, land owning white men could vote or form government. Now it is the corporations or rich white men.

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        I say this as an American. Half the “Founding Fathers” were slave owners and did not see a problem with subgrating other humans into forced labor. The American enterprise has been a business all the way back to the first white man setting foot on this continent. I guess I just proved you talking point.