And that anecdotal experience is what you’re basing this conclusion on? That it can’t reasonably have happened to someone else?
(Ah you’ve edited your comment but my point still stands. However I’ll add that I can personally attest that yeah, it often is the same person who will express support for me being straightforward in my interactions with them who then respond with hostility when I explain I don’t sext/cyber/cam/want-to-be-sexual/etc. Even on lemmy I still regularly get interactions like this. You can just go and look to confirm this, DMs aren’t private on lemmy. It is by no means all men, but it very much does happen.)
The point is that I believe both of them - but you dont. Why? Where’s the difference for you? Both of them push one side or the other of the same “rhetoric”, and they’re in no way contradictory. Do you simply believe only the one you agree with?
(I did engage with the fallacy stuff, and unless there’s something new none of the fallacies you’ve presented are applicable to this comic, as has been patiently explained every time you bring them up.)
I’m not exactly shocked you’re not engaging with the more important part of my comment, though I want to be clear that I’m not trying to indicate a broad pattern of behavior wherein everyone who doesn’t understand fallacies will then strive to avoid answering uncomfortable questions about their personal values.
Also, and I don’t ask this lightly, are… you trying to gaslight me about this, or are you just wrong? I haven’t been ultimately countered about the misuse of fallacies here once, in fact everyone seems to have dropped it once someone presents the specifics of how their premise isn’t valid - yourself included. It seems pretty soundly settled in the comments that there isn’t a fallacy here, or if there is it’s not one of the ones that’s been presented.
It’s like saying you’re confident there isn’t anyone who both advocates for polyamory and also insults people for being in a romantic relationship with more than one person at the same time.
Is it absolutely impossible that such a person exists? No, but it’s obviously going to be extremely rare, at best, because it makes zero sense for both characteristics to exist inside the same person. Therefore, I feel confident in saying ‘this is not a thing’, generally speaking.
Gonna just refer you back to my edit instead of retyping it all. Also it’s going to be an uphill struggle to argue that internal inconstancy or brazen deception are rare traits in humans.
Sorry, I’m quick to revise if I think I could have written something better, or found supporting information, etc. I don’t think the content has really materially changed, though.
You can just go and look to confirm this, DMs aren’t private on lemmy.
I don’t know how to do this, nor am I really inclined to dig through someone’s stuff like that (and even if I did, I’d expect only the ‘panel 3’ part to be in the DMs, not the ‘panel 1’ part too). Can you link to one example of the same person doing both (panel 1 and panel 3) things? I’m genuinely interested to see.
You’re welcome to go and look them up, but for my own safety I’m not going to single out one particular person (with a history of being extremely hostile to me personally) to be publicly shamed - and I ask that while I obviously cannot stop you, if you do end up looking through them you also don’t single them out publicly.
It’s mostly the second example, people misunderstanding positive interactions in comments as a tacit indication I want to take the relationship to further sexual grounds, but there are sure examples where a positive conversation will start where they decry the duplicitous behavior of men and then they themselves will devolve to the behavior they initially criticize.
That’s quite rare for it to be so explicitly-as depicted-in-the-comic here on lemmy, but it does happen.
And that anecdotal experience is what you’re basing this conclusion on? That it can’t reasonably have happened to someone else?
(Ah you’ve edited your comment but my point still stands. However I’ll add that I can personally attest that yeah, it often is the same person who will express support for me being straightforward in my interactions with them who then respond with hostility when I explain I don’t sext/cyber/cam/want-to-be-sexual/etc. Even on lemmy I still regularly get interactions like this. You can just go and look to confirm this, DMs aren’t private on lemmy. It is by no means all men, but it very much does happen.)
As if this comic isn’t an anecdote by which the author judges everyone with.
So you agree that it’s an anecdote?
No, I believe this is a made up scenario created by a misandrist. The more I see this person’s comics the more I’m convinced.
This isn’t misandry.
This is missndry.
No
… This is sparta!
So to your mind, what makes ObjectivityIncarnate’s anecdote believable, but the comic author’s not?
What makes the comic believable and the other guy not?
Anyway, see my other posts about fallacies.
The point is that I believe both of them - but you dont. Why? Where’s the difference for you? Both of them push one side or the other of the same “rhetoric”, and they’re in no way contradictory. Do you simply believe only the one you agree with?
(I did engage with the fallacy stuff, and unless there’s something new none of the fallacies you’ve presented are applicable to this comic, as has been patiently explained every time you bring them up.)
Yes, and you have been patiently countered. You might not like it, but this comic is a fallacy. There’s nothing else to be said.
I’m not exactly shocked you’re not engaging with the more important part of my comment, though I want to be clear that I’m not trying to indicate a broad pattern of behavior wherein everyone who doesn’t understand fallacies will then strive to avoid answering uncomfortable questions about their personal values.
Also, and I don’t ask this lightly, are… you trying to gaslight me about this, or are you just wrong? I haven’t been ultimately countered about the misuse of fallacies here once, in fact everyone seems to have dropped it once someone presents the specifics of how their premise isn’t valid - yourself included. It seems pretty soundly settled in the comments that there isn’t a fallacy here, or if there is it’s not one of the ones that’s been presented.
It’s like saying you’re confident there isn’t anyone who both advocates for polyamory and also insults people for being in a romantic relationship with more than one person at the same time.
Is it absolutely impossible that such a person exists? No, but it’s obviously going to be extremely rare, at best, because it makes zero sense for both characteristics to exist inside the same person. Therefore, I feel confident in saying ‘this is not a thing’, generally speaking.
Gonna just refer you back to my edit instead of retyping it all. Also it’s going to be an uphill struggle to argue that internal inconstancy or brazen deception are rare traits in humans.
Sorry, I’m quick to revise if I think I could have written something better, or found supporting information, etc. I don’t think the content has really materially changed, though.
I don’t know how to do this, nor am I really inclined to dig through someone’s stuff like that (and even if I did, I’d expect only the ‘panel 3’ part to be in the DMs, not the ‘panel 1’ part too). Can you link to one example of the same person doing both (panel 1 and panel 3) things? I’m genuinely interested to see.
You’re welcome to go and look them up, but for my own safety I’m not going to single out one particular person (with a history of being extremely hostile to me personally) to be publicly shamed - and I ask that while I obviously cannot stop you, if you do end up looking through them you also don’t single them out publicly.
Are both ‘parts’ within the DMs with that person, or is ‘1’ in a regular post/comment, and then ‘3’ is in the DMs?
If the latter, I don’t think I can realistically verify at all if they’ve posted any significant amount, but with the former, I probably could.
It’s mostly the second example, people misunderstanding positive interactions in comments as a tacit indication I want to take the relationship to further sexual grounds, but there are sure examples where a positive conversation will start where they decry the duplicitous behavior of men and then they themselves will devolve to the behavior they initially criticize.
That’s quite rare for it to be so explicitly-as depicted-in-the-comic here on lemmy, but it does happen.
(edit: spelling!)
Thanks for taking the time to explain. As a man I appreciate it.