Also a lot of people have children because it’s instinct. They feel the urge. It’s biological. Both me and my wife had this feeling. You want to create something that you will love.
I know all the arguments for not having children, but we are just animals following instinct sometimes/often.
You could adopt instead of pumping more bodies into the bone crushing machine.
I’m so glad that you considered only you two in this matter. never asking the consent of the individual if they want to be born in this shithole. They will watch you get old and die you know, but you’ll be dead so who gives fuck am I right! They will watch as the ground beneath their feet becomes uninhabitable year after year. But hey biological urge matters much more than the individual! Fuck off with this disgusting mentality. Just on this comment alone I feel the “I don’t care as long as it makes me happy” attitude bleeding through the screen.
Tell me, why must we continue to go on? We actually don’t have to try. Life becomes more freeing when we focus on the people actually here and suffering. Instead you chose to perpetuate the bone crushing machine, and not stick it to the system.
So tired of the “life is a gift mentality”. The fuck it isn’t. The only people it is a gift for are the people holding us on the chain around our neck in this coercive system. Life is suffering. Especially as the years tick by. I don’t care about the difficulties of adoption, fucking adopt. Oh but creating your own crotch gremlin is much more “loveable” than the kid yearning for ANY parents, ANY LOVE, but are never given the time of day. There was a person who I went to high school with who lived at an adoption center. He graduated with no parents. What an accomplishment to be alone for! Just to then get spit out by the system! Or abort for christ sake. Quit being selfish and for the love of god actually and I mean ACTUALLY start thinking about the children.
I feel like we disagree on a fundamental level. You feel like life isn’t a gift. I feel like it is.
Agree to disagree.
Also we don’t live in such a horrible place, we are actually thriving compared to a lot of places/countries, and we had our kids even before COVID, when the world in our immediate surroundings was a bit better and brighter. There wasn’t as much doubt as to our immediate safety back then.
Have a good one, friend. 👍 Hope your outlook on life improves eventually. ❤️
(Based on the assumption you live in america, if not we can talk about your country’s atrocities as well and what a gift to life they are)
“Agree to disagree” what a copout.
You realise we are indulging in other countries resources as we speak. Countries that use child and slave labor to harvest the very minerals for our devices. Is life a gift to those people? What about the genocide in Gaza funded by our tax dollars? What a wonderful gift! You birthed another taxpayer that Israel was just dying to have!! Oh and ICE as well! Yipee!
My friend the reason we live in a “good place” is because of the amount of imperialism perpetuated by this fucking awful country. Was life a gift to the native Americans we stole land from? Was life a gift to all the Jewish people murdered in the holocaust? Is it a gift for all those Cubans living under a hundred year ongoing embargo? WHAT A GIFT REAGAN WAS FOR THE AIDS CRISIS! What a gift childhood cancer is! Dice in which you rolled when giving birth.
What a gift life is that my body is breaking down every second of every day with not a thing to do about it. What a gift is is watching my parents get old and sick. What a gift it is that I must pay for healthcare just because I didn’t choose to be alive. What a gift it is that boss makes a dollar and I make a dime. Life was fucking abysmal before covid are you kidding? It’s just been accelerating. Don’t give me that crap, we have know about climate change since the 70s maybe even earlier. Your child will experience the water wars. The climate refugees being gunned down on our doorstep. The rising unlivable temps. Food items becoming scarce. You got your biological urge satiated though! So that is good!
Again I say, you got what you wanted and that is all that matters in the end. Not the suffering of your child. Life. is. suffering. They will suffer immensely.
Your worldview is so fucking limited it is astonishing.
Have a good one as well, stop feeding the bone crushing machine.
I feel like you have too much anger for me to talk in a reasonable manner with you.
You can call me a cop-out and whatever ad hominem you like. I just feel like talking with you would exhausting, no offense. We don’t share the same world view because life isn’t the same all over the world. And that’s sad, but having a child in one part of the world isn’t the same as another.
Feel better, alright? I hope you cope through this. ❤️
That because you are just an animal and can’t control yourself, you forced them into existence, even though you knew how bad things were going to be?
That it’s not your fault (because you are just an animal who can’t go against your basic instinct to procreate and aren’t capable of self control) that bringing them into this world sped up man made climate collapse and resource depletion, cutting their lives even shorter and making them more brutal?
That you were aware of the imminant food, water and oxygen shortages; +4c climate, catastrophic weather, global fascism, billionaires, ww3, and the predicted human casualties from all this being in the billions; all set to happen within your offsprings lifetime, and yet you still had them because you are an animal who can’t control their urges?
Procreation is hubris, cruelty and arrogance, and you personally at this point don’t even have ignorance as an excuse.
I’m not planning on having kids, but personally it seems like being a human under bad conditions is still better than being nearly any other animal on the planet under normal conditions. I do get the argument for not reproducing to avoid your kids having to go through a worsening environment, but it’s kind of silly to try to push that perspective on others as some kind of moral issue.
Like, what good does it do to just spew venom about people wanting children? Save that for the ultra rich who already used their entire year’s allotment of sustainable carbon footprint 10 days in. Save it for the literal fascists who are actively working to prevent anyone from doing anything to slow it down.
Ultimately this planet will eventually be consumed by the sun no matter what we do. There’s no need to be a jerk about it to people who have no control over how long it all lasts in the mean time.
Alright. People want to have kids no matter what. It’s instinct. You can’t “talk people out of” their instincts. You’ll waste your life in this endeavor, even if you would be correct. I hear your arguments on a logical level, but it doesn’t help.
Take my advice and find another goal, even if it stings. Take care! ❤️
Oookay, now that’s uncalled for. I am strongly against rape, and only for consent. This hasn’t nothing to do with the urge to have sex, and only to do with the want to start a family and pour love into my own kids like my parents did to me. Nothing else.
Don’t go there, that’s not a cool argumentative approach. Don’t do that, please. Thank you.
I wouldn’t have had kids if I thought they would suffer, obviously. You have kids with the hope and ambition, and belief that they will fare well. It took me years to build up the confidence in myself as an adult to even try to have kids.
No child can ever give consent. Does that mean we should also neuter all animals? tHeiR ofFsPrInG WiLl sUfFeR. Like where does this make sense? This is a fundamental necessity of life that you’re trying to talk out of somebody. It’s innate. If you don’t understand it, you don’t feel it. And we are at an explanatory impasse. That’s why we have to agree to disagree here and now.
No hard feelings. 🤝 But please stop acting like I’m some villain. Thanks.
We must go on, don’t we. We have to try.
Also a lot of people have children because it’s instinct. They feel the urge. It’s biological. Both me and my wife had this feeling. You want to create something that you will love.
I know all the arguments for not having children, but we are just animals following instinct sometimes/often.
You could adopt instead of pumping more bodies into the bone crushing machine.
I’m so glad that you considered only you two in this matter. never asking the consent of the individual if they want to be born in this shithole. They will watch you get old and die you know, but you’ll be dead so who gives fuck am I right! They will watch as the ground beneath their feet becomes uninhabitable year after year. But hey biological urge matters much more than the individual! Fuck off with this disgusting mentality. Just on this comment alone I feel the “I don’t care as long as it makes me happy” attitude bleeding through the screen.
Tell me, why must we continue to go on? We actually don’t have to try. Life becomes more freeing when we focus on the people actually here and suffering. Instead you chose to perpetuate the bone crushing machine, and not stick it to the system.
So tired of the “life is a gift mentality”. The fuck it isn’t. The only people it is a gift for are the people holding us on the chain around our neck in this coercive system. Life is suffering. Especially as the years tick by. I don’t care about the difficulties of adoption, fucking adopt. Oh but creating your own crotch gremlin is much more “loveable” than the kid yearning for ANY parents, ANY LOVE, but are never given the time of day. There was a person who I went to high school with who lived at an adoption center. He graduated with no parents. What an accomplishment to be alone for! Just to then get spit out by the system! Or abort for christ sake. Quit being selfish and for the love of god actually and I mean ACTUALLY start thinking about the children.
I feel like we disagree on a fundamental level. You feel like life isn’t a gift. I feel like it is.
Agree to disagree.
Also we don’t live in such a horrible place, we are actually thriving compared to a lot of places/countries, and we had our kids even before COVID, when the world in our immediate surroundings was a bit better and brighter. There wasn’t as much doubt as to our immediate safety back then.
Have a good one, friend. 👍 Hope your outlook on life improves eventually. ❤️
(Based on the assumption you live in america, if not we can talk about your country’s atrocities as well and what a gift to life they are)
“Agree to disagree” what a copout.
You realise we are indulging in other countries resources as we speak. Countries that use child and slave labor to harvest the very minerals for our devices. Is life a gift to those people? What about the genocide in Gaza funded by our tax dollars? What a wonderful gift! You birthed another taxpayer that Israel was just dying to have!! Oh and ICE as well! Yipee!
My friend the reason we live in a “good place” is because of the amount of imperialism perpetuated by this fucking awful country. Was life a gift to the native Americans we stole land from? Was life a gift to all the Jewish people murdered in the holocaust? Is it a gift for all those Cubans living under a hundred year ongoing embargo? WHAT A GIFT REAGAN WAS FOR THE AIDS CRISIS! What a gift childhood cancer is! Dice in which you rolled when giving birth.
What a gift life is that my body is breaking down every second of every day with not a thing to do about it. What a gift is is watching my parents get old and sick. What a gift it is that I must pay for healthcare just because I didn’t choose to be alive. What a gift it is that boss makes a dollar and I make a dime. Life was fucking abysmal before covid are you kidding? It’s just been accelerating. Don’t give me that crap, we have know about climate change since the 70s maybe even earlier. Your child will experience the water wars. The climate refugees being gunned down on our doorstep. The rising unlivable temps. Food items becoming scarce. You got your biological urge satiated though! So that is good!
Again I say, you got what you wanted and that is all that matters in the end. Not the suffering of your child. Life. is. suffering. They will suffer immensely.
Your worldview is so fucking limited it is astonishing.
Have a good one as well, stop feeding the bone crushing machine.
I really appreciate you having this rant here. I’ve done it myself so many times it’s burnt me out.
Me too friend… me too.
🫂
I don’t live in America, no.
I feel like you have too much anger for me to talk in a reasonable manner with you.
You can call me a cop-out and whatever ad hominem you like. I just feel like talking with you would exhausting, no offense. We don’t share the same world view because life isn’t the same all over the world. And that’s sad, but having a child in one part of the world isn’t the same as another.
Feel better, alright? I hope you cope through this. ❤️
You going to explain this to your kids?
That because you are just an animal and can’t control yourself, you forced them into existence, even though you knew how bad things were going to be?
That it’s not your fault (because you are just an animal who can’t go against your basic instinct to procreate and aren’t capable of self control) that bringing them into this world sped up man made climate collapse and resource depletion, cutting their lives even shorter and making them more brutal?
That you were aware of the imminant food, water and oxygen shortages; +4c climate, catastrophic weather, global fascism, billionaires, ww3, and the predicted human casualties from all this being in the billions; all set to happen within your offsprings lifetime, and yet you still had them because you are an animal who can’t control their urges?
Procreation is hubris, cruelty and arrogance, and you personally at this point don’t even have ignorance as an excuse.
I’m not planning on having kids, but personally it seems like being a human under bad conditions is still better than being nearly any other animal on the planet under normal conditions. I do get the argument for not reproducing to avoid your kids having to go through a worsening environment, but it’s kind of silly to try to push that perspective on others as some kind of moral issue.
Like, what good does it do to just spew venom about people wanting children? Save that for the ultra rich who already used their entire year’s allotment of sustainable carbon footprint 10 days in. Save it for the literal fascists who are actively working to prevent anyone from doing anything to slow it down.
Ultimately this planet will eventually be consumed by the sun no matter what we do. There’s no need to be a jerk about it to people who have no control over how long it all lasts in the mean time.
We had our kids before even COVID. Those were brighter times, my friend. The world sucks now, admittedly.
But we can’t undo our kids, nor do we want to, of course.
Every point I have raised has been known since before covid. I’ve been trying to get people to listen for ten years now.
Alright. People want to have kids no matter what. It’s instinct. You can’t “talk people out of” their instincts. You’ll waste your life in this endeavor, even if you would be correct. I hear your arguments on a logical level, but it doesn’t help.
Take my advice and find another goal, even if it stings. Take care! ❤️
You sound like the people who say “boys will be boys” when the “boy” rapes someone. It’s “masculine” nature as they say.
Fuck that, keep your “instincts” to yourself
Get a vasectomy if you can’t control yourself.
Thats the worst analogy Ive read in a long time. Congrats. Thats impressively bad.
Oookay, now that’s uncalled for. I am strongly against rape, and only for consent. This hasn’t nothing to do with the urge to have sex, and only to do with the want to start a family and pour love into my own kids like my parents did to me. Nothing else.
Don’t go there, that’s not a cool argumentative approach. Don’t do that, please. Thank you.
I said you are making the same type of argument in this situation just flavored differently.
You have already made it clear that your instincts come first, not the consent of the child who will suffer.
I’m not. It’s not about sex.
I wouldn’t have had kids if I thought they would suffer, obviously. You have kids with the hope and ambition, and belief that they will fare well. It took me years to build up the confidence in myself as an adult to even try to have kids.
No child can ever give consent. Does that mean we should also neuter all animals? tHeiR ofFsPrInG WiLl sUfFeR. Like where does this make sense? This is a fundamental necessity of life that you’re trying to talk out of somebody. It’s innate. If you don’t understand it, you don’t feel it. And we are at an explanatory impasse. That’s why we have to agree to disagree here and now.
No hard feelings. 🤝 But please stop acting like I’m some villain. Thanks.