Is there some really good open source and local cameras that people are using? Because many people default to ring.
I am looking at using Eufy, no subscription. Unsure of potential of it joining the darkside.
Edit: China-owned, so it’s a pick-your-poison kind of deal.
Not sure if it is open source, but I switched to ReoLink a while back and have been very happy with it. Good Home Assistant integration, no subscription, and everything can be local (store video clips to an onboard SD Card).
It would not surprise me if this inspired systematic vandalism of these devices. Not that I would ever advocate for such a thing.
Tl;dr surveillance equipment working perfectly, used for dystopian surveillance. Major shocker.
Even better, getting the general public to pay to install and power them
It’s crazy how fast this is going.
Corporations and fascists: name a better duo
Peanut butter and jelly.
betterMore evil
Can we all agree to print out flyers of this to share around with neighbors and our communities? People ARE under educated. It starts with us educating because the oligarchs wont
I doubt that anyone who has a ring camera, alexa and anything like that will care. Maybe people who think about getting one will, but a random flyer?
I care. I have Ring because it was the fastest way to get cameras on my property after trouble with neighbors. I found out how liberal they are with user data and handing it over to law enforcement but I couldn’t justify the expense in upgrading. For me this isn’t a bridge too far in a moral sense but more like a powerful reminder I’ve been lax in my responsibility. I’m pricing out some Reolink cameras I can host locally at home and put on a private subnet I can just VPN into. I’ll have to buy the kit piecemeal because I don’t have a lot of money to toss around but I am firmly committed to getting off Ring cameras in light of this news.
this is great news for my leftist in-laws who decided to get ring cameras out of the convenience they offered.
I did warn them that this would happen, but like most people, “that would never happen!”
Free law enforcement access to my private security system? Seems like a bad idea.
Time to put a goatse picture in front of the camera!
Thank God I still haven’t looked that up.
And make it repeat you’re the man now, dog!
It’s just out in the open, you’re too stupid if you think they didn’t do it already.
I bought a ring camera in 2018 and I haven’t replaced it. They disabled color view to try to get me to to buy a new one. Thankfully I haven’t connected it to Amazon or anything yet. I immediately disconnected it after reading this, fucking Amazon.
How did they disable color view if you didn’t connect it to amazon?
They deliberately disabled an option in order to coerce you into buying a new one? That is insane.
Where are the hactivists?! Are they all too well employed?
Be the change you want to see in the world
Yeah, I feel my hypocrisy. I am trying to understand more, but my mind always ends up melting. Individuals I’ve met that maybe could do what I want done are a different breed from me. I am pushing myself to understand more, but I am pushing uphill and it will take years before I can achieve what probably so many all around the world could do now. While I sharpen myself, I ask: who were those in the V masks of years past?
Oh noooo, that thing we warned people about when it came out is being misused in exactly the way we warned people it would be misused.
Oh nooooo.
I’m tired grandpa. Too damn many stupid people in this world.
yeah, 100%, and there is no satisfaction in being proven right for this shit, the vindication is absolutely hollow. It sucks for everyone.
world
The US. The rest of us don’t have an ICE problem nor an obsession with this kind of shit.
That is simply not true.
Here in the EU we have chat control trying to be forced through every year for mass surveillance and targeting like Spain targeting catalan independence movements.
Palantir is starting to expand into the EU and american fash-tech companies have been lobbying hard and giving money to fascist parties across the EU. Musk gave unprescidented money of AfD fascists, for example.
UK has been getting more and more fascist for years, they have had mass surveillance for years and have been arresting people for simply attending zoom meetings supporting a country being killed off en-masse. Palantir literally just landed a £240 million deal with the UK government
We don’t have an ICE problem yet. Neither did america 10 years ago. It is being pushed HARD here to create an ICE problem.
feels like rest of the world, including Europe, is like “can we slip in a couple of ours while Trump is doing all these insane bat shit crazy stuff and distracting people”
Every time I thought the US was stupid for doing a thing, the rest of the world followed with the same bullshit a few years later. Some sooner, some later. The US is not more stupid, they’re trendsetters.
I will never have a goddamn camera in my home. If I did it will HAVE to be an old school disconnected one that records to a DVR or some SSD HD. I have zero interest in having any unauthorized or unknown access to the interior of my home. This is a goddamn outrage, how is everyone not throwing their ring cameras out already?
Mine is connected to a smart outlet that is only ever powered on when we are away from the house, and it’s connected locally to my home assistant setup.
Local only is the way to go.
The only reason I have Unifi around. They support local-only. But totally worth if to have your faith in your own hands. I would never have gone with a cloud solution like Ring
I enjoy having cameras on my house to see what’s going on in the neighborhood. It has come in handy at least once when my neighbor’s truck was stolen in broad daylight.
They are ring cameras because two were installed already when I moved in. What should I switch to? I just really want motion alerts and proof when something bad happens.
How is the legal situation in the US? Are you allowed to permanently film and record the public space?
In Germany, you have to limit the camera to your public ground, due to private reasons
In Estonia it’s legal to have it film the public ground if you have signs making it clear
On the one hand it’s useful to have cameras that show the street. On the other hand, when you post signage like that it kinda says “I have shit worth guarding”
Offers all the features Google/Amazon do, but without the subscriptions.
Plus they joined the open home foundation, so they’re unlikely to enshitify.
unlikely to enshitify.
That might be some wishful thinking. I tried getting some Reolink cameras a neighbor decided to buy on his own, to work with Blue Iris the other day, there was no way to configure them without installing their shitty app. All they have to do is just like every other not-shitty camera, enable DHCP, RTSP and ONVIF by default and then fuck off. But that’s not happening.
I told him to send them back, I wasn’t going to deal with them.
I have a Reolink setup that’s entirely air-gapped. No app required, just configure everything through the NVR unit.
What is an NVR unit?
NVR = Network Video Recorder. It’s the box that has the hard drive(s) to record all the video streams coming in from the cameras over WiFi or Ethernet.
Unifi Ubiquiti products are one of the best option for completely local data hosting and camera services with really good “ai” detections all run locally, but they aren’t that cheap and you’ll need to buy one of their Unifi protect capable routers to get started, which is gonna be like $300 by itself.
Edit: Looks like they have a standalone recorder with a 3.5 inch drive bay but it’s still $200, and also most of their cameras are Ethernet. They do have a couple wireless options but not many.
Ethernet is the standard for security cameras anyway. It’s a higher quality feed which is important for indisputable evidence in a court of law. Just about every Wifi camera is either seriously lacking in resolution, frame rate, or both. Wifi cameras are also stupidly easy to jam with like $10 worth of equipment and minimal knowledge…
