President Donald Trump said during a Cabinet meeting that he wants to 'drive housing prices up' to keep homeowners 'wealthy' rather than focusing on affordability to benefit people people who 'didn't work very hard'
Go ahead, vote MAGA in the midterms if you’re curious how fucked your life can get.
LOL, I cannot wait until I have my next IRL conversations with the more-leftist-than-thou dumbasses that sat out or voted third party and the Enlightened Centrists that voted for Taco because they fell for the right wing/Russian agitprop that Biden’s economy was so terrible and/or that Kamala was genocidal and/or something something “gerontocracy”.
Maybe you should devote that energy toward more constructive organization efforts within your party, or good faith gestures that build trust and solidarity with new allies? As someone who did hold his nose and voted for the uninspiring, inept Democrat pick who went on to eat shit I have to say this preoccupation with rubbing your party’s failure in the face of anyone you failed to reach is… Not inspiring, to put it charitably.
Yes, not inspiring and entirely unproductive. Demonizing and pushing those who didn’t vote blue further to the right isn’t helpful, and I’m not saying “both sides are bad” or that we have to compromise with Republicans (I voted for Kamala too).
As fucked as things are, we can either whine about not getting our way until the end of time, or we can do something about it. Comments like OPs push the needle in the wrong direction.
LOL, you must not have much dealings with the type I’m talking about. They are rubbing their high-horse ideals in my face all the time, saying that Taco is more or less the same as Kamala would have been.
Ah yes waste time blaming people who were actually trying to move the needle back to the left but were roundly ignored by a bunch of geriatric genociders who would rather pander to racists and ignoramuses who would never vote for them in the first place than just idk maybe stop committing genocide.
This will totally get those people to vote for the other milque toast white racist that the dems put up as a candidate without any sort of election and just expect everyone to vote for because “at least theyre not trump” without actually having any policy that differs from republicans in any sort of meaningful way.
without actually having any policy that differs from republicans in any sort of meaningful way.
For all that the dems really do seem to do their best to alienate the left, I’m fairly sure their policy did not include having barely trained, masked, goons running around American cites executing people at will, kidnapping others, and facing no concequences, and yet, trump was clear that it was what he wanted. I’d call that a meaningful difference.
I’ve been struggling with this for a while. I can understand and respect the moral dilemma that comes with participating in elections. I think, though, too many people look at it in a black and white lens that creates blinders.
I’ve never in my life voted for a candidate that I agreed with on everything. Yes, the moral importance of some issues weigh far heavier than others, but the ultimate goal is to do the least bad. I will continue to vote for the candidates I believe offer the most harm reduction if voting is available to me, because these are the options I have to work with. We have to make decisions in the moment that reflect the reality of where we’re at.
We’re living through the consequences of inaction that presents itself as protest. Had Kamala won, do we think we’d be seeing the absolute fucking insanity we’ve found ourselves in right now? I’m glad this moment is pushing more and more people to action and resistance, but at what cost? People are being disappeared, deported, and murdered in the streets by our government right now. And Gazans certainly haven’t benefitted from the current administration. This is a level of bad I never expected to see in my life, and I think there are a lot of terminally online people who are seeing this in a romanticized way that obscures the severity of the situation we find ourselves in.
We likely would have had more ability to push things to the left without the levels of harm, destruction, and violence that we’re seeing now under just about anyone but Trump and Project 2025. Instead of activism and outreach, now we have to play defense and protect our neighbors and communities. Not to mention the roll acks of rights to the health and safety of women and queer people are more passively costing lives and creating suffering.
Yes, the status quo was terrible. Democrats offer pretty words and little action. They aren’t going to save us or give us the futures we deserve. I’d give just about anything for us to be out of this, though. Humiliation and disgust on an international scale, the daily violence, and reading new horrors every damn day is absolutely the greater of two evils, though. I can’t see a scenario where anything is worth what’s in store.
Non voters aren’t the sole reason we’re here, but I’m sick of pretending that those people’s choices didn’t play a large role in our current situation. These times demand we all do some soul searching, take accountability, and work together to get out of this in one piece. Because, again, we have to live in the reality of where we’re at.
Christian USA basically had to choose between the Antichist and your average capital-loving politician and they went “fuck it, I’ll vote for satan cause he said he I’ll make gas cheaper.”. And the pedo-guy still has a 40% approval rating at the current moment. This country is a lost cause.
Do you honestly think that if Harris won there would be armed agents on the street murdering citizens, driving your economy to historic lows, alienating your closest allies, tanking trade routes, invading Venezuela, kidnapping anyone with a skin colour darker than snow white…
So, who else to blame for voters that think Taco and Kamala are the same and that Taco would be “better for 'conomy”? That’s the fault of the Democratic Party?
People keep blaming them for anything and everything and how they have to “message better”, but the Democrats don’t really have any kind of media to get that message out on.
No one said that. But it’s inarguable that the Democratic party is in large part responsible for people not wanting to vote for the candidates they put forth knowing full well we want an actual lefty and not a corporate business monster.
I have someone like that in my life. To this day they think masking and “forced gene modifications” are a bigger deal than what happening now. I’ve been lectured so many times about how anger at what’s going on is just being political.
She’s antivax, especially when it comes to the mRNA vaccines, she claims they are a government experiment that we were forced to undergo. She conveniently ignores that the phizer was available and you weren’t mandated unless you wanted access to public services.
Oh, good grief. One of those dead-enders. I find it hilarious when someone I know still holds a grudge about having to get the “jab” to travel, or to work, and so on. The biggest snowflakes.
Keep in mind, these democrat moves to bolster ICE were happening while the right was blatantly telegraphing their moves to immediately weaponize ICE once they took power. Project 2025 came out and promised to use ICE to plunder and abuse Americans. Biden and team then spent the next 4 years not only failing to prepare for Trump, but preemptively strengthening the mechanisms Trump would eventually use to carry out project 2025. The democrats are controlled opposition.
Sure, maybe we wouldnt be seeing this intense of immigration enforcement if Kamala were in charge, but if she were, she’d be working behind the scenes to ensure the right had all the tools they needed when the time was right.
The democrats are controlled opposition and the American electoral system is kabuki theater. The fascist descent is the only logical conclusion to the American political experiment- which was predicated on the wholesale genocide of Native American Indians and quickly pivoted to enslaving an entire continent.
You realize what the only logical conclusion to your “pragmatic liberal utilitarianism” is, right? I give it 4 years before youre chiding leftists for not voting for dem candidate Ted Cruz as he campaigns against republican candidate Mecha Hitler. Youll still see nothing wrong with that. You will sell out the victims of American Imperialism to buy yourself 4 more years of political waffling - just as you did with Palestinians.
Immigration was a huge debate issue during that time and something just kept saying not enough was being done to combat a bunch of lies and made up stories. So yeah, they went all in an said “see” but gumball in chief just kept lying and swindling and y’all ate it up.
LOL, I cannot wait until I have my next IRL conversations with the more-leftist-than-thou dumbasses that sat out or voted third party and the Enlightened Centrists that voted for Taco because they fell for the right wing/Russian agitprop that Biden’s economy was so terrible and/or that Kamala was genocidal and/or something something “gerontocracy”.
JFC.
Maybe you should devote that energy toward more constructive organization efforts within your party, or good faith gestures that build trust and solidarity with new allies? As someone who did hold his nose and voted for the uninspiring, inept Democrat pick who went on to eat shit I have to say this preoccupation with rubbing your party’s failure in the face of anyone you failed to reach is… Not inspiring, to put it charitably.
Yes, not inspiring and entirely unproductive. Demonizing and pushing those who didn’t vote blue further to the right isn’t helpful, and I’m not saying “both sides are bad” or that we have to compromise with Republicans (I voted for Kamala too).
As fucked as things are, we can either whine about not getting our way until the end of time, or we can do something about it. Comments like OPs push the needle in the wrong direction.
Sadly, I’m pretty convinced if Kamala was Male they would currently be president. Trump has only ever beaten a woman, in a race… Or whatever
Voting for Kamala was the only sane move. That’s all we were asking for.
We all want Bernie, but the nation is what it is and we’d have been streets ahead with Kamala even. Hopefully AOC someday.
LOL, you must not have much dealings with the type I’m talking about. They are rubbing their high-horse ideals in my face all the time, saying that Taco is more or less the same as Kamala would have been.
Ah yes waste time blaming people who were actually trying to move the needle back to the left but were roundly ignored by a bunch of geriatric genociders who would rather pander to racists and ignoramuses who would never vote for them in the first place than just idk maybe stop committing genocide.
This will totally get those people to vote for the other milque toast white racist that the dems put up as a candidate without any sort of election and just expect everyone to vote for because “at least theyre not trump” without actually having any policy that differs from republicans in any sort of meaningful way.
For all that the dems really do seem to do their best to alienate the left, I’m fairly sure their policy did not include having barely trained, masked, goons running around American cites executing people at will, kidnapping others, and facing no concequences, and yet, trump was clear that it was what he wanted. I’d call that a meaningful difference.
I’ve been struggling with this for a while. I can understand and respect the moral dilemma that comes with participating in elections. I think, though, too many people look at it in a black and white lens that creates blinders.
I’ve never in my life voted for a candidate that I agreed with on everything. Yes, the moral importance of some issues weigh far heavier than others, but the ultimate goal is to do the least bad. I will continue to vote for the candidates I believe offer the most harm reduction if voting is available to me, because these are the options I have to work with. We have to make decisions in the moment that reflect the reality of where we’re at.
We’re living through the consequences of inaction that presents itself as protest. Had Kamala won, do we think we’d be seeing the absolute fucking insanity we’ve found ourselves in right now? I’m glad this moment is pushing more and more people to action and resistance, but at what cost? People are being disappeared, deported, and murdered in the streets by our government right now. And Gazans certainly haven’t benefitted from the current administration. This is a level of bad I never expected to see in my life, and I think there are a lot of terminally online people who are seeing this in a romanticized way that obscures the severity of the situation we find ourselves in.
We likely would have had more ability to push things to the left without the levels of harm, destruction, and violence that we’re seeing now under just about anyone but Trump and Project 2025. Instead of activism and outreach, now we have to play defense and protect our neighbors and communities. Not to mention the roll acks of rights to the health and safety of women and queer people are more passively costing lives and creating suffering.
Yes, the status quo was terrible. Democrats offer pretty words and little action. They aren’t going to save us or give us the futures we deserve. I’d give just about anything for us to be out of this, though. Humiliation and disgust on an international scale, the daily violence, and reading new horrors every damn day is absolutely the greater of two evils, though. I can’t see a scenario where anything is worth what’s in store.
Non voters aren’t the sole reason we’re here, but I’m sick of pretending that those people’s choices didn’t play a large role in our current situation. These times demand we all do some soul searching, take accountability, and work together to get out of this in one piece. Because, again, we have to live in the reality of where we’re at.
Christian USA basically had to choose between the Antichist and your average capital-loving politician and they went “fuck it, I’ll vote for satan cause he said he I’ll make gas cheaper.”. And the pedo-guy still has a 40% approval rating at the current moment. This country is a lost cause.
Propaganda’s a helluva drug
Yes, but also who is controlling the polling info?
Yes it’s the individuals that are the problem not the party that chains to be left but sides right every single fucking time.
Do you honestly think that if Harris won there would be armed agents on the street murdering citizens, driving your economy to historic lows, alienating your closest allies, tanking trade routes, invading Venezuela, kidnapping anyone with a skin colour darker than snow white…
I could go on.
Did I say that? No you’re conflating.
So, who else to blame for voters that think Taco and Kamala are the same and that Taco would be “better for 'conomy”? That’s the fault of the Democratic Party?
People keep blaming them for anything and everything and how they have to “message better”, but the Democrats don’t really have any kind of media to get that message out on.
No one said that. But it’s inarguable that the Democratic party is in large part responsible for people not wanting to vote for the candidates they put forth knowing full well we want an actual lefty and not a corporate business monster.
I have someone like that in my life. To this day they think masking and “forced gene modifications” are a bigger deal than what happening now. I’ve been lectured so many times about how anger at what’s going on is just being political.
I’ve never heard about forced gene modifications? Are they referencing GMOs, or…?
She’s antivax, especially when it comes to the mRNA vaccines, she claims they are a government experiment that we were forced to undergo. She conveniently ignores that the phizer was available and you weren’t mandated unless you wanted access to public services.
Oh, good grief. One of those dead-enders. I find it hilarious when someone I know still holds a grudge about having to get the “jab” to travel, or to work, and so on. The biggest snowflakes.
200 NGOs Oppose Biden’s Historic Expansion of ICE Detention System: “Detention should not be about politics.”
ICE records show Biden admin plans could give Trump a head start on deportations
President Biden Signs Anti-Immigrant Spending Bill Reaching Trump-Era Highs
Biden’s Emergency Funding Proposal Seeks $14 Billion for Immigration System From Congress
Tom Homan - Border Czar was originally appointed by Obama
Keep in mind, these democrat moves to bolster ICE were happening while the right was blatantly telegraphing their moves to immediately weaponize ICE once they took power. Project 2025 came out and promised to use ICE to plunder and abuse Americans. Biden and team then spent the next 4 years not only failing to prepare for Trump, but preemptively strengthening the mechanisms Trump would eventually use to carry out project 2025. The democrats are controlled opposition.
Sure, maybe we wouldnt be seeing this intense of immigration enforcement if Kamala were in charge, but if she were, she’d be working behind the scenes to ensure the right had all the tools they needed when the time was right.
The democrats are controlled opposition and the American electoral system is kabuki theater. The fascist descent is the only logical conclusion to the American political experiment- which was predicated on the wholesale genocide of Native American Indians and quickly pivoted to enslaving an entire continent.
You realize what the only logical conclusion to your “pragmatic liberal utilitarianism” is, right? I give it 4 years before youre chiding leftists for not voting for dem candidate Ted Cruz as he campaigns against republican candidate Mecha Hitler. Youll still see nothing wrong with that. You will sell out the victims of American Imperialism to buy yourself 4 more years of political waffling - just as you did with Palestinians.
Immigration was a huge debate issue during that time and something just kept saying not enough was being done to combat a bunch of lies and made up stories. So yeah, they went all in an said “see” but gumball in chief just kept lying and swindling and y’all ate it up.
Your top dem wants trans people exterminated just like Trump. So where’s the FUCKING choice? If trump was a dem, you’d vote for him.
I feel like this requires some explanation.
Are you seriously saying you can’t see the difference
JFC
Um, what?