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      Yeah I don’t think this is necessarily related. At least one of the two sets of claims looks credible, came from a New Jersey IP, and are connected with someone who worked at the facility.

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      I thought he got him to re-open a closed channel (/pol/)

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    The newly released Epstein files show that the Justice Department tried to identify the 4Chan user behind the posts — but couldn’t figure it out.

    “Good luck, I’m behind 7 proxies.”

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    In https://lemmy.world/c/Epsteinfiles from 17 days ago:

    https://lemmy.world/post/42921222?scrollToComments=true

    There were two IP’s associated with these comments.

    107.77.223.177

    and

    172.58.139.162

    One IP was responsible for all of the comments regarding medical information (which can be confirmed in part by the autopsy, also available unredacted (mostly) in the files(.

    I tried to follow up on the FBI effort to get the cell data for both of these. As far as I can tell, the rPtND1Si post resolved to a new jersey IP (this is the AT&T customer), and the second resolved to a sprint customer (swam8WIF). If you look up the second IP, it resolved to the Chicago area (the sprint customer). The sprint response to the FBI record request stated that their system used “dynamic IP”. Its not clear to me the FBI followed up on the sprint customer any further. My read was they couldnt get a location from that IP because of sprints internal system.

    See here: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 9/EFTA00133349.pdf for the original data.

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    On one hand I’m happy this fuck is dead, and I hope he did suffer.

    On the other hand, we all know he did not commit suicide and got killed by the Pedoresident following the playbook of his BFF putin to try to save his fat orange pedo ass

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      There’s still the option that it was a faked death. That much wealth and power, if it could be done, that’s who and when it would be done. I’m not giving it much credence without more evidence, but I’ve got no reason to think that it’s not possible given the series of absurd happenings that morning.

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          Is there any reason to believe it wasn’t hacked? If I’m murdered then my account being accessed doesn’t prove I’m secretly alive. Especially if I used insecure passwords like Epstein is reported to have done.

          It’s not impossible, but if he was still alive I find it hard to believe he’d just access it once and never again. Stupid billionaires with bad passwords probably happens all the time and we just don’t know about it because they’re not at the center of an international child sex exploitation crime ring.

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            Trump’s Twitter password was maga or something like that. After it got hacked I’m pretty sure it was maga2020 when it got hacked again

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          That someone was exposed as a teenage “hacker”.

          I used quotes because it was more social engineering and lying than any sort of hack.

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            “hacker”… According to Epic, someone changed their handle to Epstein’s handle that was exposed in the files. There was no hacking involved.

            I would absolutely believe it that he was walked out and flown to Israel where he lives as a hero of the pedo-genocide state, but his brother who identified his body is vocal about evidence it wasn’t a suicide. I’m not sure what incentive he’d have to both lie about identifying his brother’s body and making so much noise about it being a murder…

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              I’m not sure what incentive he’d have to both lie about identifying his brother’s body and making so much noise about it being a murder…

              Remember that he was deeply involved in Epstein’s businesses, including holding the position of president over the J Epstein & Co investment firm.

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          I read somewhere that it was somebody else who changed their username to match his, and not the same account. Can’t find a source for it either way though.

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        If I had that much money I know I would have a “Hail Mary” boobytrap that released a bunch of incriminating evidence in case of my death.

        That might be Ghislaine’s job.

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          Like when Andy Kaufman did an entire show at the Apollo with ‘his grandmother’ rocking back and forth in a chair off to one side, only to pull off the wig and it was Robin Williams (in his quietest role ever) all along?

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        Not impossible, but I don’t see what advantage there would be to keeping him alive vs just getting rid of him entirely.

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          Who knows.

          Like someone else said there might have been a dead man’s switch ready to release all the kompromat.

          Death is obviously very final, if he’s stashed somewhere then you could wheel him out to testify although I can’t really think of a circumstance where that would be advantageous.

          I tend to think murder is the far simpler objective and therefore the most likely.

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          A simple trade, destruction of evidence in exchange for his life. Mind you I’d still kill him regardless but I also wouldn’t make any deal with slime like that to begin with.

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            I’m guessing a guy like that who traded in relationships and secrets would be smart enough to set up a dead man drop in the event he goes quiet for too long. It keeps his life valuable.

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              That too. Really it would depend how stupid he and his handlers were/are, I can’t really make any statements on stupid or smart rich assholes are though since I come from a place of assuming everyone of these profligates are universally just above braindead.

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      Does it still count as suicide if they hand you the rope and tell you this is the easy way out and if you don’t play ball they’ll make sure it’s painful?

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        The only threat they needed to make was a return to general population.

        I seem to remember him being attacked by another inmate. Instead of being put into protective custody he was put on suicide watch, which is its own kind of hell.

        So, he changed his will to fuck over his victims, and is suddenly pulled off suicide watch.

        The only two people needed to then make sure Epstein was dead would be the warden probably Epstein’s own lawyer. Maybe the psychiatrist who signed off on the removal from suicide watch… But the suicide watch wasn’t initially justified, so pulling Epstein off it wouldn’t seem strange.

        Hell, if you were a clever, high placed official in the DOJ, an example being Bill Barr, you could simply tell the warden to “put some pressure on the pedo” and then use the lawyer to deliver the real message of “kill yourself before we put you into the general population”.

        Then you get a dead loose end and no record of illegal activity inside the prison. Also you only have to buy off a single person who likely already has questionable morals.

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      Sorry dude but he’s not dead. You have to look at the evidence beyond a headline but it isn’t some strechy conspiracy at this point. None of the photos of him dead look dead, morticians have weighed in on that pretty decisively. He didn’t just have his xbox account go active after he had a fedex account and some other thing like streaming or an e-mail im not finding confirmations on. Then there’s the 2 guards who found him, read those interviews, again, doesn’t seem dead. Then there’s the notes in his cell with what seems like an escape plan that is for some reason partially redacted. And it goes on…

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        Who benefits from him being alive? His assets were seized so it’s not like he could plan his own escape. The evidence was also already seized so it’s not like he could keep evidence hidden. Most of his contact would be gone on the account him supposed to be dead. What would make him so important to keep him alive? It’s not to make sure he can’t testify because dead men also don’t testify. So what would be the reason for keeping him alive and out of prison?

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          What’s keeping Ghislaine in a vacation prison where she gets her own dog, and the warden her bitch? What’s keeping all the American billionaires in the Epstein Files free from accountability? Stop trying to make sense of a world that has none.

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        Fun spin to put on “Epstein didn’t kill himself” but also, you know, come on.

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          Yes. Come on. Read. Watch. Investigate.

          Did you look up anything I just typed or oh, no, you just hit reply and assumed you already know everything you need to? Don’t fret, I’ll edit in links after lunch for the lazy.

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            “None of the photos of him dead look dead” isn’t a great choice as your very first point if you’re trying to make a compelling argument.

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    The user also provided some of the earliest unproven conspiracy theories about Epstein’s death. In one post, which was later deleted but provided to the FBI in response to the subpoena, the user said someone may have swapped out Epstein’s body because of a mysterious van seen the previous night, DOJ records show. “You guys i am shaking right now but i think they switched him out,” the anonymous poster said.

    Damn

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      Yeah there’s also a theory that Ghislaine is out free, someone saw her in Quebec

      Also someone logged into one of JE’s gaming accounts from Israel like a month ago

      My bet is he is being sheltered by Israel, and Ghislaine is headed there too

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    The longer this goes on the weirder it gets.
    A death reported before it happened?
    Thousands or hours of video tapes being withheld?
    Shipping containers he used full of incriminating documents?
    I’ve always had distain for conspiracy theories, but I also suspected the elites were probably deranged.

    Then, the other day, I was search for bbq recipes, and came across a Cannibal bbq subreddit. I assume it’s all ai, but… I don’t know what to think anymore. Trump and his friends are just so evil. All I can think about is what the nazi concentration camp people did. torture twins, make lampshades out of human skin.

    I grew up in a rural town where nothing ever happened and nobody locked their door. This is all so wrong.

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      I’ve always had distain for conspiracy theories

      I totally am with you. However, there is definitely quite a range in the theories. And it’s probably a bit naive to always fall for the narratives handed down by suspect elites on any given matter, some of them better known as “coincidence theories”.

      Some “theories” later turned out to be true. It’s quite a distance between the findings of the Church Committee, for example, or what came out of Iran/Contra, or the Pentagon Papers, or the Panama Papers, as contrasted with rando nonsense like “Nazis built bases on the moon”.

      Unfortunately, it’s hard to thread that needle I guess. People jump from the findings on Tuskagee and go feet-first into assuming Fauci did something illegal in Wuhan and/or that Covid was fake/“just a flu” and this was all a trial run/experiment to institute the New World Order and/or that mRNA vaccines were going to kill you or whatever…I mean, so many people just went buck wild during Covid.

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      With how well-connected he was, how rich he was, and the fact there was a van there the night before AND his brother hired the forensic pathologist who identified his body.

      There’s no way Jeffrey is actually dead. He’s probably living it up on their island “Valhalla” raping children like always.

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      In 2019 I graduated uni and struggled to find work for 9 months. During that time my boredom took me to the conspiracy subreddit… Most of the things on there are hilariously far fetched. But also people there were CONVINCED that Epstein wasn’t going to make it to trial. When he died (or escaped), my view on conspiracy theorists changed substantially. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised to find out 9/11 was planned, in all honestly.

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        Well I mean someone planned 9/11. OBL.

        I will admit, I didn’t realize that all the elites of the world got together to fuck children together. Once that’s on the table, some of the theories that only involve collaboration of a few people you wouldn’t expect to be in the same room start looking more possible.

        Like how in the hell would… (random people) Netanyahu and the President of Ford and the preeminent researcher of quantum computing ever get together to (random theory) build Jewish space lasers? Oh, it was pillow talk while they were raping kids.

        Like… I don’t believe in Jewish space lasers but it feels more plausible today than it did a few years ago.

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      You want to get even weirder about conspiracies, him and thiel where looking for ways to make systems collapse as an easier way to make money and epstien’s death is frigging a lot of people to go down conspiracy rabbit holes thus weakening faith in existing power structures, if any of this is actually planned I bet his suicide faked or otherwise and the ripple effects might be

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      Watch Saló by Pier Paolo Passolini. Looks totally credible. If butchers in concentration camps (or IDF in Gaza) can be the summum of evil, why would the elite not be. Epstein compromised them and now, after Gaza, Trump is going to go to war with Iran because there’s a pedo video of him somewhere. I always assumed Israel was doing America’s dirty work in the middle east but it’s the other way around actually. One can only assume Israel has the same leverage over the UK. They all got compromised.

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      It’s surprisingly hard to get AI to give reasonable cannibalism recipes.

      It’ll do it if you ask for human like meat as a placeholder though.

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      You know, I’m not even sure that’s revenge. I feel like it’s a threat to future agents: you don’t fuck with the elite, or they are going to have to run for president and fuck you over.

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        100%. not just fbi but across the federal government. feel like every 3 months he picks a place to fire folks for not providing the right information or being involved in something that had displeased him.

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    We have it on record that Epstein and Bannon were frequenting 4chan, so I can only assume it was someone from his circles

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    Didn’t read the article because it’s gross and threw subscriptions everywhere. Ghislaine was a mod and seemingly started pol so it’s not surprising if was close to the events.

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      Business insider can paywall articles so an archive link is included in the bio of this post if you care to read it.

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    It’s hardly surprising that an anonymous social media post could be made quicker than a news story gets approved for publishing?

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      Why would a journalist put an anonymous leak on 4chan before publishing their own story? Don’t journalists want their name/company associated with the story?

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        Sorry, wasn’t suggesting that the journalist did (not that it would harm their story or reputation much for 4chan to see it first) - anyone remotely close to the trail of information between the jail finding out and ABC publishing their story could have posted it - and even if they found out at the same time as the journalist did, they would have easily been first given how much needs to be checked before publishing an article under the name of a news org.

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    This obviously has something to do with how long an active wormhole in a Stargate can be maintained