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    I was explaining this to people when the courts first announced he could revoke birthright citizenship.

    They’re not going after Anchor Babies. They apply to everyone. Birth certificates don’t have multiple types.

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    What would someone do if their citizenship is revoked? Like if one suddenly finds themself in that situation what can they do other than run to the nearest embassy and beg for asylum? Presuming this is done before one is already in custody.

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      Three options:

      1. Go to every embassy or consulate you can and try to get a visa
      2. Live illegally in another country
      3. End up in a concentration camp
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    While this is alarming, it seems like such an obvious attempt to distract us from the people in Texas who died from the Republican party’s inaction. As well as the revelation that the Epstein suicide video was edited

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    what’s stopping him?

    serious fucking question

    edit: if you’re going to reply “the law” or “that’s illegal!”

    then, LOL

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      Absolutely nothing is stopping him. Certainly not the laws, the Constitution, or the Supreme Court. Lower courts are still ruling against him but getting overridden by SCOTUS.

      The only left is we the people and that will take a huge number of us to work together.

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      The supreme court. They’ll stop him for a week or so, just the time it takes to make sure no one will ever be able to stop him. "Hang on mister President, we are working day and night on this! "

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    Honestly?

    I hope he tries

    She wealthy and still a household name. She can pay to fight, it would make it undeniable he’s abusing power.

    And she literally doesn’t even live in this country. Absolutely zero danger at all, and she was already saying she might not come back.

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      What we need to do is start a campaign talking about how he’s not smart enough or brave enough to try and revoke her citizenship.

      Dude is easily manipulated.

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      The US is one of the only countries that still requires citizens living overseas to file and pay taxes. It’d be great if he further crippled the US war machine this way.

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        That gets thrown around all the time…

        https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/foreign-earned-income-exclusion

        But the exception to it is pretty rational and covers most people.

        It’s like how billionaires convince poor people that can’t afford to retire that a tax only 2% of people will ever pay on inheritance is a pressing issue and society doesn’t deserve their cut.of problematic levels of generational wealth.

        Like, do you understand how ripe this is for manipulation by the wealthy to turn public opinion against the wealthiest few who pay these taxes?

        C’mon man…

        It’s 2025, we need to learn to recognize this shit on our own, misinformation is going to keep getting worse.

        Quick edit:

        For clarity, you do still need to file federal taxes every year, even though you have zero withholdings and still owe $0.

        But people get in trouble for not filing, same as people who live in Alaska. There’s no debt for missed payments, but there may be fines/consequences anyways

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          There’s a ton of intricacies to it though, for example if you live in Canada you can’t invest in one of the two retirement accounts without paying some pretty hefty fees. Primary residence are only excluded for a relatively small amount (might be enough if you live in a small town, forget it if you live in a major metropolitan area past a small one bedroom condo), and the division with a partner isn’t 50/50 like it is in Canada so your Canadian partner potentially looses a ton of money. Increases the cost of accountants and personal finance advisors by like three folds. Etc, etc…

          I get that trying to get rich people to not use tax heavens is good. But this affects regular people who haven’t lived in the country for years, decades, as well as their non American families.

          I know this first hand, and second hand, as my immediate and extended family is all sort of cross border intertwined. It’s a real pain in the ass.

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          Do you know how much expats have to pay just to align their taxes and file? Only country to tax on citizenship. It’s ridiculous that it’s even allowed internationally.

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            I do know…

            What’s weird is you didn’t even click the link or even seem to read my comment:

            If you are a U.S. citizen or a resident alien of the United States and you live abroad, you are taxed on your worldwide income. However, you may qualify to exclude your foreign earnings from income up to an amount that is adjusted annually for inflation ($107,600 for 2020, $108,700 for 2021, $112,000 for 2022, and $120,000 for 2023). In addition, you can exclude or deduct certain foreign housing amounts.

            America has bigger problems than migrant workers in other countries who make well North of six figures.

            You’re not getting any pity from the average American over “filing fees” when you can do that shit on TurboTax.

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              You still need to file… It’s complex as shit. It’s not an easy filing with turbo tax when you have a company, partners who are not dual citizens etc. I’m by no means rich but I shouldn’t have to file taxes where I’m not residing. And if I wanted to get rid of my citizenship it’s also expensive and you have to have filed for the past 7 years. It’s not about pity. It’s about what is ethical. And being the only country to do this it isn’t ethical.

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    This is what I will go to war to fight. I have been genetically on this continent since the 1630’s. Family fought in the French Indian war and Revolution and all the way up to Vietnam. If you fuck with my citizenship over your feelings. I will and know a lot of others will forcefully stop this clown.

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    Can we take away Trump’s citizenship?

    If no country wants to have him, I’m OK with dumping him in international waters on a raft.

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    Won’t you please leave the poor innocent billionaire child rapist alone. And start talking about taking away someone who criticized the billionaire child rapist?

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    I know this shitty dollar store Grover Cleveland likes to hold onto a grudge, but damn!

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    What the fuck is wrong with you Americans? You murder each other en masse, you fucking murder tons of other innocent non U.S. citizens because you don’t like them, but you fucking tuck your collected diabetic heads into your fucking fat asses and make cricket noises when it’s Trumps fascist regime.

    Fuck sakes America. Grow some fucking balls and deal with your corrupt leadership you fucking cowardly pussies.

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      Serious question, what would you do if you were in America? Call your buddies and organize a march? Start offing people by yourself? Stand on a street corner with a sign? Donate money to a contradicting politician?

      This game plan is enacted by design, it’s what makes fascist regime takeovers work, what makes it difficult to organize and resist. You have a husband, kids, a mortgage, a job, car payments, need to put food on the table.

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        I was told on this very site a few months back I wasn’t serious because I couldn’t go to a Hands Off protest due to work obligations.

        So many people have no clue how many of us have to keep our means so we can show up when we are able, donate when we are able, and be able to position ourselves to help our communities

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        Tbf, you guys need to sort out your shit pronto. It spills over and it’s making a fucking mess everywhere.

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          Right but… you know 90 out of 100 Americans on Lemmy didn’t even vote for him and oppose him?

          I kind of just read your message as: Hey, domestic abuse victim, you need to figure out your abusive spouse who you’re forced to live with pronto! Their abuse spills over and it’s making a mess everywhere.

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            Yeah. Right now there’s a fair amount of support for him, disorganization among the opposition, and disaffection after nearly a decade of resistance to him alongside the weakness of the opposition from the dems. Currently what I’m seeing is a fall back to coalition building, propaganda, and other fights to create a popular front from which to oppose.

            Left wing violence at this point needs to be sparing and calculated, exclusively where no other option is available to protect people. It’s bad optics and prevents us from building a broad opposition. We also need to quit the level of infighting we’ve been up to and speak to ordinary and disinterested people where they are, because a lot of them basically tune out at the idea of politics unless it’s their side (if they have one).

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              Sabotage. Slash tires on unattended cop cars. Burn buildings rented by feds for office space. Low value targets are not generally well protected.

              Add friction to their operations. Make their safe spaces less safe. Like they used to burn empty churches at night. Let them know fear.

              Break assets. Don’t harm people.

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                Even property damage needs to be calculated. Are you hindering their ability to harm people or are you letting out your anger while risking people who are uncomfortable with the realities of the right and their perception of the left.

                The fascists learned to hide their power level, to disavow their terrorism, to practice whataboutism, and to play their roles as reasonable people who have been unfairly attacked.

                Mass property damage will get perpetrators killed while alienating those who are tuned out. Add friction for certain when it comes to the ability to do harm. But seriously this is a propaganda war of trying to claim the other side is more radical and worse for the people who just want to grill and we’re fucking losing. You will do a lot more good by protesting and humanizing targeted groups and talking to your apolitical uncle about how this isn’t what America is supposed to be than you will by burning an empty RNC building.

                Should you be training in a militia? Probably. But keep an eye out for agents provocateur and focus on making sure your people are controlled, stable, and would prefer a non-violent resolution. You will do a lot more good handing out food than marching with guns or burning something down.

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            I know. Ditching fascists can take upwards of two decades and effective loss of sovereignty for almost a century.

            I’m sorry it’s your turn now. But you need to get to it. It doesn’t get better with time.

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                There’s a lot of people that talk a big game here.

                “Just go in and end this shit already, will you?”

                I see the same message parroted 100 times over, but not a single person has a realistic notion for what to do. Should I, an average citizen in the Midwest, buy a bunch of guns, bombs, whatever, and just go assassinate the president of the US, arguably the best protected individual in the world? Let’s say that through some miracle I do that, then what? Couch fucker takes the reigns, SCOTUS continues to enable fascism, and Congress is still fascist controlled. Am I supposed to just keep popping off people through the line of succession and also take out at least two supreme court justices, a handful of house members and a couple senators?

                We can resist, protest, and fight back against this, but it’s not something that has a quick solution. It’s us citizens vs the US government, Russia, many State level governments, billionaires, and by proxy a huge disinformation and propaganda campaign.

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                  Couch fucker takes the reigns…

                  Reins, not reigns. Common homophone error but the phrase comes from the name of the straps used to control a horse.

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                  Thank you. This is a fantastic response to these types of messages.

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                  I’m at the point where I think we need to dissolve the United States entirely. The Constitution you learned about in school no longer exists. Congress is as ineffectual and cowed as the Senate during the Roman Empire. SCOTUS has completely abandoned the Constitution, but we all still pretend that its rulings are worth even reading, let alone following. The president is completely ineligible for office due to taking foreign bribes and leading a rebellion. SCOTUS believes sex discrimination isn’t sex discrimination. And the presidency’s powers have been expanded through emergency power after emergency power. And entire departments, which Congress only created because they were intended to operate independent of the president, now have been completely supplicated due to rulings by a corrupt Supreme Court.

                  We are caught in a cycle of ever-elevating abuse and violation of norms. Republicans are always the first one to break norms, but once the precedent is set, Democrats adopt it to. At this point, we’re basically electing a national dictator every four years; the core principle of the Constitution - separation of powers, no longer exist. And it’s a coin toss whether we’ll even have elections in 2028.

                  I’m sorry, but what are we even doing here? We have two parties that are fighting every four years for control of the national dictatorship. This has made the stakes of every election overwhelming. And both sides are thoroughly convinced of the irredeemable wickedness of the other. Why are we still doing this? We have options.

                  Government is meant to serve the people. The people are not meant to serve the government. If a government no longer serves the needs of the people, then that government, Constitution, or entire nation can simply be dissolved.

                  It’s time for a peaceful dissolution of the United States. Grant all 50 states independence, let them come back together into whatever new nation or nations they wish to form. Let them write a new Constitution or Constitutions based on the compromises of our own time, not those of 250 years ago. Yes, there would be negotiations that need to happen, but that’s happened through countless other national breakups.

                  And if you think the Constitution precludes this, you haven’t been paying attention. There is a very simple way to end the union forever. Someone just needs to run for president on that platform. SCOTUS has given the presidency near dictatorial control over everything in the executive branch. Someone could run for president on the following platform:

                  “I will be the last president of the United States. Elect me, and I will grant all 50 states full independence. I will fire every single federal employee. I will not collect any taxes. I’ll surrender control of military forces to the states. I will not resist any attempts by states to withdraw from the Union. In fact, through these actions I will force them to do so. If Congress or the Supreme Court object, I will ignore them. I will have a clear political mandate to dissolve this failed union. And those voices that want to deny the American people their future will simply be ignored.”

                  That’s literally all it would take. Congress and SCOTUS can piss and moan all they want. They’ll find themselves meeting in abandoned buildings with no electricity and no one guarding the doors. They can pass whatever silly resolutions or rulings they want; they’ll be pissing into the wind. In the meanwhile power will be completely dissolved to the states, and they’ll be working with each other to form new regional nations and write new Constitutions for them. Once the back of the existing federal government is broken in this way, there will be no putting it back together.

                  Our nation was built by human beings for the service of human beings. If we find that this nation is no longer serving the needs of the people, it can simply be peacefully dissolved. If a president were elected on platform of openly promising to do this? They would have such a political mandate that there would be no stopping them.

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      The people who need to hear you aren’t on Lemmy.

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      Most of the guns in the country are owned by fat pussies that would eat their own asshole if trump told them too. There are real Americans that own guns as well, who love to put a stop to this shit, but it’s hard to fund, plan, and execute a mission to uphold the Constitution when the enemy literally controls most every armed agency in the country, and a massive spying apparatus. Especially when you don’t know exactly who you can trust.

      Things will need to reach a critical mass out in the street, and at that point Trump WILL give the order to fire on any American that’s out in the streets. That’s when we see how much the baby raping shit eaters word is worth. That’s what he’s trying to force in LA. The good news is that his support is eroding, and odds are that most troops/Leo will refuse the order.

      At some point pretty much everyone, including, cops, and troops, will just want things to be consistent and normal again, and the fascists would prefer to slink away back to a dark crevice over an actual fight. It will either be when Trump dies (by the end of August -150 odds), or it will be directly before his death

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      you fucking tuck your collected diabetic heads into your fucking fat asses

      I’m offended! I’m on Zepbound and am no longer diabetic!!

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      Americans are narcissists, gluttons, and cowards as a national trait. It’s inherent in their national pride. And yet the rest of us are constantly surprised by what they allow to happen within their country and what they allow their country to do the rest of the world. It shouldn’t be that surprising.

      And before you guys get all ragey at me, I understand not all Americans are like this. But you have to do a little more inward reflection than you usually do to understand why everybody else hates you guys.

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        You need to understand that the cohort of American users on this platform overwhelmingly agree with you on a lot of the deficiencies of our countrymen. You’re preaching to the choir here.

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        Which flawless nation do you come from where you can talk like your shit don’t stink too?