Tell me a war in which China has participated over the last 30 years. China simply doesn’t engage in remotely imperialist behaviour compared to the west.
As for Russia, I wish it was still a socialist country, but unfortunately now it’s another capitalist antidemocratic regime. Surely since you care about Ukraine, you condemn the capitalist regime in Ukraine which led to the defunding of healthcare, education, the removal of guaranteed housing and guaranteed employment, and a massive demographic crisis of loss of life through hunger, crime, drug abuse and lack of healthcare, which killed millions of Ukrainians prematurely?
Tell me a war in which China has participated over the last 30 years
I guess the answer to my question is “no” then…
China simply doesn’t engage in remotely imperialist behaviour compared to the west
They’re colonising islands in the South China Sea which other South East Asian countries claim, even though a UN tribunal ruled that China’s claims aren’t valid. Also what should people think of seeming mistreatment of ethnic minorities in China? Of course there are examples of western countries mistreating minorities, e.g. the USA interning Japanese-Americans during WW2. I don’t know if the USA is currently doing anything similar to what is described in the article I just linked to though.
Surely since you care about Ukraine, you condemn the capitalist regime in Ukraine which led to the defunding of healthcare, education, the removal of guaranteed housing and guaranteed employment, and a massive demographic crisis of loss of life through hunger, crime, drug abuse and lack of healthcare, which killed millions of Ukrainians prematurely?
Did this happen after the USSR collapsed? I don’t know enough about Ukrainian history to be honest. I do think though that it’s probably a good idea if world borders, such as those of Ukraine currently, aren’t redrawn by force. It’s probably better to settle disputes democratically and diplomatically.
They’re colonising islands in the South China Sea which other South East Asian countries claim
Hardly can you call it “colonize” when there isn’t a population in said islands. At any rate it’s much less violent than the poverty and lack of political representation that Puertoricans are imposed by the US.
mistreatment of ethnic minorities
Oh wow, a BBC article from 2021. Surely we should trust western state media to tell us unbiased facts about its geopolitical opponents. The BBC has famously avoided the word “genocide” for referring to Gaza over the past years, with scandals coming out of editorial orders of employees to avoid such reporting. Taking the BBC seriously on the mistreatment of Muslims in China is as laughable as taking Russia Today seriously on the mistreatment of ethnic Russians in Donetsk.
As for the “mistreatment of Uyghur”. I have had this discussion 50 times in Lemmy: bring me a 2022-2025 source with contemporary independent journalistic accounts of generalized mistreatment of Uyghurs. Not a piece written by Radio Free Asia based on “anonymous witnesses”. Not a piece written by Adrian Zenz based on “official government statistics”. Bring me some, any independent journalistic work post-2021 about mass mistreatment of Uyghurs.
Also, your lack of concern for Ukrainian mass economic and population crisis suggests that your criticism for Russia doesn’t come from a genuine care about the people suffering from the actions of the Russian government, but rather from an agreement with western propaganda.
Hardly can you call it “colonize” when there isn’t a population in said islands. At any rate it’s much less violent than the poverty and lack of political representation that Puertoricans are imposed by the US.
Whatever you call it, I would still say it’s imperialist behaviour of China to take over islands that it doesn’t seem to have a right to. Regarding Puerto Rico, I think they should have proper representation in the US Congress. Are Puerto Ricans being interned in camps like Uyghurs in Xinjiang though?
Taking the BBC seriously on the mistreatment of Muslims in China is as laughable as taking Russia Today seriously on the mistreatment of ethnic Russians in Donetsk.
any independent journalistic work post-2021 about mass mistreatment of Uyghurs
What is wrong with the BBC article I provided? You haven’t shown that the BBC lies or is unreliable. It looks like The Guardian has alsoreported on this story though and here are articles from Sky News.
your lack of concern for Ukrainian mass economic and population crisis
I genuinely am just not aware of what you were referring to. Anyway, I hope that Ukrainians and Russians can live in peace, and preferably with political freedom. The first step towards achieving this would be the Kremlin withdrawing their invasion of Ukraine. I think Ukraine should be able to make their own democratic decisions. Ideally every country should be able to make independent democratic decisions I think.
Are Puerto Ricans being interned in camps like Uyghurs in Xinjiang though?
The reeducation camps were closed years ago. You can travel to Xinjiang yourself and see with your own eyes that the Uyghur are thriving. Go open YouTube and search for travel vlogs in Xinjiang, for real.
RT seems to air lies, while I don’t think the BBC does
BBC was constantly airing lies of the genocidal maniacs of Isntreal, such as mass rapes during Oct 7th in an attempt to do atrocity propaganda against Palestine to justify genocide. They’re literal genocide supporters.
That it’s outdated and based not on independent journalism but on supposed “anonymous interviews”, as all evidence of “mass sterilization” in Xinjiang.
I found this from Amnesty International earlier this year. It says that “Uyghur and other non-Han ethnic groups in Xinjiang have faced torture and ill-treatment, arbitrary detention and enforced disappearance”. It mentions “internment camps” and it doesn’t say those camps have been closed.
BBC was constantly airing lies of the genocidal maniacs of Isntreal, such as mass rapes during Oct 7th in an attempt to do atrocity propaganda against Palestine to justify genocide. They’re literal genocide supporters.
Here you have an interview with an openly lying genocide supporter on prime time.
based not on independent journalism but on supposed “anonymous interviews”
Anonymous interviews are part of journalism. Some people don’t want to provide their names because they could be persecuted. Maybe you dislike the fact that the BBC is not “independent” because it’s owned by the UK government. In which case, look at the articles I provided from The Guardian and Sky News - neither of them is owned by a state.
TLDR: I don’t understand how people who are supposedly on the left try to defend human rights abuses just because they’re done by countries that aren’t allied with the US.
Do you condemn the ongoing US genocide of Italians? I, as an anonymous source living in the US, witnessed a bunch of soldiers rounding up people and demanding to know if any of them were Italian and anybody who raised their hand was executed by drawn and quartering.
If you don’t accept that this is happening based on my testimony, you’re a genocide supporter. Why do you hate Italians?
I don’t think I described the treatment of Uyghurs in Xinjiang to be a “genocide” (if I have used that word then please do correct me). Some people do use that term of course.
If someone showed me a case of those two outlets lying and not correcting themselves when challenged, then maybe I’d believe that The New York Times and the BBC are not reliable. In my experience though they’re accurate with facts, even if I might not always agree with how their journalists might spin a story.
This is about a deportation of Uyghurs from Thailand. The reference to “torture and ill-treatment” is to their 2021 “study” which consists of… You got it: anonymous interviews!!
You keep proving that you have no idea about the topic, you didn’t even know that the camps were closed years ago. Yes, anonymous interviews are part of journalism, but go ahead. Open your phone, and google “tiktok Gaza” and find this week’s videos of genocided Palestinians. Now try and find the slightest shred of video evidence for mass mistreatment of Uyghurs: you won’t find it. In 2025, in the smartphone era, where literally every Chinese citizen holds a recording internet-connected device, it is simply impossible that there is an ongoing genocide or even mass abuse of Uyghurs without being documented.
I don’t defend human right abuses, I just don’t buy into western anti-china propaganda based off “anonymous interviews” in 2025. I’ve been to China myself and there is perfect freedom to record and do whatever the hell you want with your phone, and VPNs are easy to set up and not prosecuted. As a leftist, you should consider why the west cares so much about Chinese Muslims when it hates Chinese and it hates Muslims.
This is about a deportation of Uyghurs from Thailand
Yes, but it mentions their assessment of the situation in China.
Sky News (Australian equivalent of FOX)
Wrong. The British Sky News is different (owned by Comcast, who also own NBC and Universal Pictures). Murdoch sold it. But Murdoch does still own Sky News Australia.
You keep proving that you have no idea about the topic
I provided stories that you have been unable to disprove. Everything they say stands until you can disprove it.
I don’t defend human right abuses
You’ve spent the last few posts doing exactly that.
I provided stories that you have been unable to disprove.
You can’t disprove anonymous testimonies, that’s why the entire Amnesty International report consists of them. From the beginning I asked for independent journalistic work with material evidence, and you’ve supported your claims with nothing the likes of that. Again, compare that to the evidence for genocide in Palestine.
Tell me a war in which China has participated over the last 30 years. China simply doesn’t engage in remotely imperialist behaviour compared to the west.
As for Russia, I wish it was still a socialist country, but unfortunately now it’s another capitalist antidemocratic regime. Surely since you care about Ukraine, you condemn the capitalist regime in Ukraine which led to the defunding of healthcare, education, the removal of guaranteed housing and guaranteed employment, and a massive demographic crisis of loss of life through hunger, crime, drug abuse and lack of healthcare, which killed millions of Ukrainians prematurely?
I guess the answer to my question is “no” then…
They’re colonising islands in the South China Sea which other South East Asian countries claim, even though a UN tribunal ruled that China’s claims aren’t valid. Also what should people think of seeming mistreatment of ethnic minorities in China? Of course there are examples of western countries mistreating minorities, e.g. the USA interning Japanese-Americans during WW2. I don’t know if the USA is currently doing anything similar to what is described in the article I just linked to though.
Did this happen after the USSR collapsed? I don’t know enough about Ukrainian history to be honest. I do think though that it’s probably a good idea if world borders, such as those of Ukraine currently, aren’t redrawn by force. It’s probably better to settle disputes democratically and diplomatically.
Hardly can you call it “colonize” when there isn’t a population in said islands. At any rate it’s much less violent than the poverty and lack of political representation that Puertoricans are imposed by the US.
Oh wow, a BBC article from 2021. Surely we should trust western state media to tell us unbiased facts about its geopolitical opponents. The BBC has famously avoided the word “genocide” for referring to Gaza over the past years, with scandals coming out of editorial orders of employees to avoid such reporting. Taking the BBC seriously on the mistreatment of Muslims in China is as laughable as taking Russia Today seriously on the mistreatment of ethnic Russians in Donetsk.
As for the “mistreatment of Uyghur”. I have had this discussion 50 times in Lemmy: bring me a 2022-2025 source with contemporary independent journalistic accounts of generalized mistreatment of Uyghurs. Not a piece written by Radio Free Asia based on “anonymous witnesses”. Not a piece written by Adrian Zenz based on “official government statistics”. Bring me some, any independent journalistic work post-2021 about mass mistreatment of Uyghurs.
Also, your lack of concern for Ukrainian mass economic and population crisis suggests that your criticism for Russia doesn’t come from a genuine care about the people suffering from the actions of the Russian government, but rather from an agreement with western propaganda.
Whatever you call it, I would still say it’s imperialist behaviour of China to take over islands that it doesn’t seem to have a right to. Regarding Puerto Rico, I think they should have proper representation in the US Congress. Are Puerto Ricans being interned in camps like Uyghurs in Xinjiang though?
No it isn’t, because RT seems to air lies, while I don’t think the BBC does. For example, RT featured an interview with two Russian military intelligence agents who seemed to have lied to hide the fact that they poisoned Sergei Skripal in England in 2018. Can you provide an example of the BBC doing something like this?
What is wrong with the BBC article I provided? You haven’t shown that the BBC lies or is unreliable. It looks like The Guardian has also reported on this story though and here are articles from Sky News.
I genuinely am just not aware of what you were referring to. Anyway, I hope that Ukrainians and Russians can live in peace, and preferably with political freedom. The first step towards achieving this would be the Kremlin withdrawing their invasion of Ukraine. I think Ukraine should be able to make their own democratic decisions. Ideally every country should be able to make independent democratic decisions I think.
The reeducation camps were closed years ago. You can travel to Xinjiang yourself and see with your own eyes that the Uyghur are thriving. Go open YouTube and search for travel vlogs in Xinjiang, for real.
BBC was constantly airing lies of the genocidal maniacs of Isntreal, such as mass rapes during Oct 7th in an attempt to do atrocity propaganda against Palestine to justify genocide. They’re literal genocide supporters.
Here you have an interview with an openly lying genocide supporter on prime time.
That it’s outdated and based not on independent journalism but on supposed “anonymous interviews”, as all evidence of “mass sterilization” in Xinjiang.
I found this from Amnesty International earlier this year. It says that “Uyghur and other non-Han ethnic groups in Xinjiang have faced torture and ill-treatment, arbitrary detention and enforced disappearance”. It mentions “internment camps” and it doesn’t say those camps have been closed.
The BBC airs the views of many people, but it doesn’t mean the BBC agrees with those views. E.g. they did a high-profile interview with Prince Andrew about the sex scandal surrounding him. That doesn’t mean the BBC agrees with everything Prince Andrew said.
On the topic of Israel and Palestine, I have seen Palestine’s head diplomat to the UK interviewed on the BBC, multiple times I think, such as this.
Anonymous interviews are part of journalism. Some people don’t want to provide their names because they could be persecuted. Maybe you dislike the fact that the BBC is not “independent” because it’s owned by the UK government. In which case, look at the articles I provided from The Guardian and Sky News - neither of them is owned by a state.
TLDR: I don’t understand how people who are supposedly on the left try to defend human rights abuses just because they’re done by countries that aren’t allied with the US.
Do you condemn the ongoing US genocide of Italians? I, as an anonymous source living in the US, witnessed a bunch of soldiers rounding up people and demanding to know if any of them were Italian and anybody who raised their hand was executed by drawn and quartering.
If you don’t accept that this is happening based on my testimony, you’re a genocide supporter. Why do you hate Italians?
I don’t think I described the treatment of Uyghurs in Xinjiang to be a “genocide” (if I have used that word then please do correct me). Some people do use that term of course.
I think that rape and arbitrary detention of Uyghurs has probably happened though, because sources like The New York Times and the BBC have reported on it.
If someone showed me a case of those two outlets lying and not correcting themselves when challenged, then maybe I’d believe that The New York Times and the BBC are not reliable. In my experience though they’re accurate with facts, even if I might not always agree with how their journalists might spin a story.
This is about a deportation of Uyghurs from Thailand. The reference to “torture and ill-treatment” is to their 2021 “study” which consists of… You got it: anonymous interviews!!
Since you like Sky News (Australian equivalent of FOX) so much: 2023 article showing the camps are long closed.
You keep proving that you have no idea about the topic, you didn’t even know that the camps were closed years ago. Yes, anonymous interviews are part of journalism, but go ahead. Open your phone, and google “tiktok Gaza” and find this week’s videos of genocided Palestinians. Now try and find the slightest shred of video evidence for mass mistreatment of Uyghurs: you won’t find it. In 2025, in the smartphone era, where literally every Chinese citizen holds a recording internet-connected device, it is simply impossible that there is an ongoing genocide or even mass abuse of Uyghurs without being documented.
I don’t defend human right abuses, I just don’t buy into western anti-china propaganda based off “anonymous interviews” in 2025. I’ve been to China myself and there is perfect freedom to record and do whatever the hell you want with your phone, and VPNs are easy to set up and not prosecuted. As a leftist, you should consider why the west cares so much about Chinese Muslims when it hates Chinese and it hates Muslims.
Yes, but it mentions their assessment of the situation in China.
Wrong. The British Sky News is different (owned by Comcast, who also own NBC and Universal Pictures). Murdoch sold it. But Murdoch does still own Sky News Australia.
I provided stories that you have been unable to disprove. Everything they say stands until you can disprove it.
You’ve spent the last few posts doing exactly that.
You can’t disprove anonymous testimonies, that’s why the entire Amnesty International report consists of them. From the beginning I asked for independent journalistic work with material evidence, and you’ve supported your claims with nothing the likes of that. Again, compare that to the evidence for genocide in Palestine.