Indulge me for the coming delusion, but if we ignore who this is, forget all the reasons we know that we can’t trust him, and allow ourselves just a few moments to hope that we could live in such a world.
A world where manual labor is no longer needed, where people can just exist as large mammals are meant to exist. Robots will handle it all and we can just do as we please… and the robots are going to be plentiful because once enough of the process of making a robot becomes automated, the cost of it will go to zero. But to get there it is going to require a ton of money… these robots are going to be way too expensive for people to actually buy them, so investors and governments will help out. The investors will eventually lose everything, but that will put us on the way to having everything we need to be created through completely automated systems.
Of course, there will still be jobs for those who really want them - or more likely, who want them and are good at them - or even more likely, who knows the right people… but if we can get our basic needs taken care of it night not fully end poverty but it would be a step in the right direction.
But, alas… It’s Musk saying it so it’s only to further enrich himself and won’t actually happen.
in the oligarchs dialect it translates to “eliminate the poor not useful for slave labour”
I’d be surprised if the build one working robot in the next ten years
and the robots are going to be plentiful because once enough of the process of making a robot becomes automated, the cost of it will go to zero.
That’s wrong, new layers of generalization do you know what? They make the thing cheaper or more expensive depending on the balance between the buyer and the seller, which is changed. Nothing more.
And suppose you’re the all-powerful and simultaneously benevolent seller, as a thought experiment. The thing becomes cheaper or more expensive based on its applicability to tasks and your ability to generalize that.
It’s a big matter, manual labor and trades are the part of economies least affected by centralized control and computerization. With software development you can’t replace people with chatbots. But with repeating manual tasks like replacing a window or painting a wall - possible. I mean, no, I don’t think that’s possible either, too many small complications. I don’t know what Elon is on again, of course you need some substances to keep you going in this world when you’re autistic, none of us will judge him for that.
Anyway, your direction of thought is kaboom idiotic, see, you’re as valuable as you’re needed, everything else is driven by that. I mentioned autistic people, well, most people not autistic don’t even notice how rules of dignity and morality they start applying only the layer above their basic one, of social hierarchy and power and alliances. Elon is known to be autistic and there’s a trillion in the title, so he really might believe what he’s selling, but those of us without trillions or even measly billions should know better.
So - robots fulfilling demand mean people not being in demand. That sucks.
You should look up where the word robot came from originally.
So long as there are humans who value power and control and can propagandize the populace to support them, a world where all people can live comfortably and happily as equals will never exist.
By “eliminate poverty” he means let robots do all the jobs the poors do and let the poors die.
“Eliminate poverty” vs “E-L-I-M-I-N-A-T-E poverty”
You know what would end poverty? A trillion dollars
If you’re talking world wide you could give everyone on earth that is currently in poverty about $1200. That’s enough to help a great deal in poor countries, but it would be very temporary. If you’re talking just the USA, you’d be giving everyone in poverty $30k. That would certainly keep people out of poverty for a while. But under capitalism where people have to work many would be back in poverty in a year. Cash infusion would only work if it was permanent like a UBI.
Even if you spent that money to build free housing all over the country, it wouldn’t be enough to end poverty, though that would probably be the best use of the money. Just flood the market with housing availability and living gets way cheaper.
This guy couldn’t even get autonomous vehicles to work properly. No reason to believe he has the skills to do any of this beyond the fact that we know his morals are fucked up.
He can’t even hire people that can do it let alone do any of it himself.
Fuck Leon Hitler and his idea of eliminating poverty is China’s 9-9-6 slave labor conditions.
How is this moon-faced poseur worth that!?
He isn’t, the economy and business is all a rigged sham.
Well I’m a moron too where’s my trillion?
You first need to have more than $1 million dollars in order to qualify for free money.
Is he gonna give everyone on the planet some of that $1T? He could give everyone a hundred bucks with that kind of money.
Fucking prove it, you technofascist dork.
LMAO! My friend, he’s just saying it so he can get the government to buy a bunch of robots so he can meet the Tesla pay agreement requirements and become a trillionaire. There are so many reasons what your fantasy can’t and won’t happen.
Oh, I know … and that’s what makes it sad is because he could help to make the world a better place.
Only if you believed his bollocks, which we all know is not to be believed
Fuck him and his hair plugs!!! They probably have more intelligence than his damn brain!!
Just proves, suck enough dicks and give enough money get what you want!
America is so fucked under Drumpf the generational of illegals and the war dodgers who marry immigrants but keep deporting US citizens…
FUCK THE DRUMPF FAMILY!!!
It’s crazy how we all know this dude is the male cracked out version of Elizabeth Holmes and getting paid unfathomable sums of money to commit all of these obvious and serious crimes in public.
That’s not money, that’s power. Money quits being money somewhere around a million dollars a year-ish, call it 100M lump sum. Above that, more money isn’t an abstract thing you buy goods, services and real-estate with, it’s power: the power to command other people to do your bidding.
He bought the whole US president. Watch him kill SLS and Gateway the second Issacman gets confirmed as head NASA admin. I don’t know why private companies don’t fund their own shit rather than steal from taxpayerS through NASA.
Unless you buy Twitter.
No, that was absolutely that. Do you not think he gained a massive amount of control with that?
I still think there’s a difference.
When people talk about wielding money like power, its more along the lines of
- if you don’t do what I say, I’ll destroy you by doing XYZ.
- you better change your laws or I can fuck shit up in some way.
- I can break the law because you can’t fucking touch me.
- Your example: the power to command other people to do your bidding.
For Twitter he actually used his wealth as actual money to buy something you would buy with money.
He did get power from it yes, but I still think there’s a distinction when talking about wiedling it as power vs using money as money.
Gotta say this difference seems very arbitrary. He bought a company, and platform. Both direct how people spend their time. A platform is obvious but a company, he directs what the people who work there work on. Its definitely a match to somewhere far past where money buys you things.
There’s all kinds of power and influence of people through the press is a very traditional kind of indirect power for people to wield. When I talk about money as power it definitely includes the power to influence how people think and vote and act without putting an actual gun to their heads. Twitter is the new TV and TV was the new radio and the radio was the new newspaper… All kinds of wealthy and powerful people in the past sought control of the press, not only for their own desires, but also as a bargaining chip with other people with power: “do this for me and I’ll make you look good on my platform…”
These are forward looking claims on something they are building. It’s not quite the same.
FSD is closer, but it is an improving product.
It’d be more like if FSD wasn’t ever improving even and yet he still kept making the claims.
He should still be punished for the FSD stuff though.
There are established methods of eliminating poverty. They are decried by the right-wing as bad.
Just look at why there are so few homeless and incarcerated people in the most developed European nations… they must be doing something right.
