Senator Jeanne Shaheen just threw the minority leader under the bus.
Senator Jeanne Shaheen revealed that Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer knew the entire time about the plan for a few Democrats to capitulate to Republicans on the government shutdown.
Shaheen, one of the seven Democrats (and one independent) who dropped their demand for a guaranteed extension of Obamacare subsidies, spoke to Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade on Monday morning.
Aside from serving as further proof that the Democrats are failing to act as an opposition party in any meaningful way, Shaheen’s comments also reveal one of two possible scenarios. Either Schumer was scheming to end the shutdown behind the scenes, only pretending to be against it while pinning the blame on the eight people who aren’t up for reelection anytime soon, or he has no control over his party. Either way, it proves the need for Democrats to jettison the minority leader.
Shaheen, one of the seven Democrats (and one independent) who dropped their demand for a guaranteed extension of Obamacare subsidies, spoke to Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade on Monday morning.
So she was bragging to Fox on her and her co-collaborators conservative bonafides.
Democrats as a party do have an issue with Republicans infiltrating…
The possibility of infiltrators is meaningless when the Democrats are themselves a pro-capitalist neoliberal party. Their fundamental class interests do not allow them to make reform that is beneficial to the working class. This is why whenever the Dems are in power they either outright refuse to do anything meaningful, or the reforms they do pass are so convoluted and means-tested-to-hell that they end up making things worse in some way.
this explains the perpetual right-wing movement of the government when it comes to social, ethnic and minority rights. “left-wing” parties do not reverse authoritarian changes in their terms of power, allowing the far right party to resume course when they toggle back into power.
Schumer has zero control over his party when even the party whip pledges to defect. But he apparently refused to vote for the Democratic candidate for NYC mayor, so this is entirely expected and precedented.
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*European politics NOT “world politics”.
Not everyone is following the same trends and left/right are relative to the society in question.
We must always be extremely careful spreading Eurocentric notions as being “the world’s view” as the history of that type of thinking is extremely ugly.
Apologies, anything you would suggest for better format of talking about it?
Yes, I would use the term “European politics”. If that makes you go “wait that sounds weird”, then don’t make that comparison.
Sorry but this is a huge pet peeve of mine. Too many people assert that what is true mostly fir Western Europe is the case for all nations and that’s silly at best.
Nah, it’s really important to have external framing otherwise you start to accept the present Overton Window as just the way things are. Things like 32 of 33 developed western democracies don’t have the problems the US does with healthcare. Sure, those other countries aren’t the US, but that’s kind of the point, and still relevant to conversations about US healthcare.
But that’s a singular issue. It isn’t as if everyone agrees as to the role of the police or to what degree they may become violent and under which conditions. I would argue that is an issue that is more indicative of what a society’s views on power are than healthcare would be.
Right now the GOP would be extremely progressive in Iran. There’s no “world scale” that really works.
Would the GOP be extremely progressive in Iran?
I would suspect if the GOP was in Iran they would want to dismantle much of the State Welfare Organization which provides universal health insurance, including mental health and addiction treatment.
And even if we focus on Iran’s horrific, regressive LGBT policies, are you so confident that the majority of the GOP disagrees? The current Overton window does not allow Republicans to openly propose making gay marriage or being trans illegal, but it’s safe to say that’s what many of them want. It’s practically written in Project 2025.
And on foreign policy, the GOP would never stand for Iran’s cautious de-escalatory approach. When Israel attacks, the GOP would be braying for bloody revenge.
I don’t claim to be an Iran expert, but I feel like the GOP would be center right.
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I live in Missouri a little over 30 minutes drive from St. Louis.
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Don’t waste your gas first connect with them online
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I had not heard of this. Thanks for getting the word out
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Run For Something trains progressive candidates to run and win
Huh? They have though. I don’t understand what you’re trying to say
I think he’s saying Mayo Pete runs for preserving the status quo?
How is the soggy assed even in his position. GET HIM THE FUCK OUT! He’s destroying the party and just a wet used fucking cum sock of a politician, no back bone. Gtfo, too much power for someone who can’t wield it at all because of their weakness. It’s sad. 😞
This is actually pretty consistent with the party.
WTF is the Democratic Party’s long term strategy?
The same as the Republican Party’s. Make money off campaign donations and lobbyists.
Individual Democrats may care about winning and holding power, sure - some hold a genuine desire to serve the public good, others just want wealth and power for themselves.
But the Party itself only cares about perpetuating the Party. And that doesn’t necessarily mean winning. In many cases, such as with abortion, it means losing political battles in such a way that it motivates more donations from their supporters.
Or, to put it another way, the NFL doesn’t care what team wins the Super Bowl. It cares about selling ads.
The DNC’s strategy is for Trump to run as a Democrat in 2028.
The Democratic Party is a big tent party. There isn’t often a plan, because the party membership has many different opinions on every subject.
The voters handed the dems huge gains during the shutdown election, there’s no clearer way they could have signaled we were behind them, and yet they betray us.
It seems to me that this might have been a strategic move to get the best result out of the midterms. The Republicans have shown their true colors. Trump throwing lavish parties while conducting a legal battle in the supreme court to ensure that millions of Americans are denied the food aid that was specifically put aside for that purpose, is about as much political capital as you could hope to gain from this. But why is it so important to Trump, to see Americans starve? I believe the reason is that starvation is what you need to instigate a violent insurrection, and that’s Trump’s plan for staying in power indefinitely. He will declare a state of emergency, martial law, suspend the midterms until the present crisis is dealt with, etc. The Dems caving in denies him the chance to do this, while still showing the maga party for the evil bastards they are. And maybe we get to see the Epstein files now? I could be giving establishment Dems more benefit of the doubt than they deserve, but that’s how it looks to me.
Im not convinced. Trump has demonstrated time and time again he doesnt need to institute martial law to remain in power. All branches of goverment have capitulated to him and effectively given him the power of a king. I keep seeing “Trump wants violence so he can stay in power” and it really reads as “if you dont want fascism, make sure you roll over when confronted with it”
Interesting take, thanks.
Democrats need to do more than just get rid of Schumer…
A bit of a “how do you eat an elephant” going on here.
At best this is a massive gamble with the absolute last of the dregs of goodwill anyone left of center has for th democratic party. I’m predicting a lot of frustration -signalling throwing of hands in the air and performative filibusters in Shumer’s future, and not much else.
New York Democrats: primary this piece of shit and get him out of the Senate. I don’t care if his gamble pays off, he shouldn’t be gambling with the future of our country against convicted fraudsters.
I wrote both of my Dem senators asking them, begging them, to hold elections on leadership. I’ve written Schumer’s office several times, begging him to step down and get the hell out of the way. I know it doesn’t do much (especially Schumer, as I’m not a constituent), if anything, but other than my vote, I have no leverage.
Of course. Why else would it be dems not going for reelection. Just like republicans growing a spine and criticizing trump after they’ve resigned, the dems letting others vote for something unpopular and then resign so it’s “not the dem’s fault.”
Why the fuck are democrats talking to the Traitor News Network?
Billionaires are desperate to turn people away from the Dem party, because they can’t buy the next Dem presidential primary.
You’re pissed at Schumer? Good, he’s a giant ineffectual piece of shit
But now that he doesn’t have a corrupt DNC behind him, his days in office are numbered. So are the rest of the neoliberals and especially the ones who voted with republicans.
Don’t blame the party for what single digit number of assholes did. And definitely don’t leave the party by refusing to vote in Dem primaries.
Even if there’s nothing that could ever make you vote D in the general again, vote in every D primary and pull them left as hard as you can.
The only way neoliberals get the DNC back, is if people don’t vote in the next Dem presidential primary, a neoliberal squeaks thru, and if they become president, they name a neoliberal chair.
And neoliberals aren’t above sabotaging the Dem party to get the reins back.
It like the buy/sell ads for gold…
When billionaire owned media shits on the Dem party, it means the DNC is against billionaires.
When billionaire owned media supports the Dem party, it’s because they own it
THE DNC DOES NOT WANT TO OPPOSE THE GOP
Otherwise they would have their canidates oppose them in a meaningful way. They wouldn’t support right wing ideologies.
ffs
And neoliberals aren’t above sabotaging the Dem party to get the reins back.
Its not single digit. If 8 guys sold out there are way more behind them.
Oh, we need to clean house…
We need a competitive primary for every office, every election.
With no favoritism towards an incumbent, just because they’re already there.
Primaries only hurt weak candidates, because they’re already weak candidates. And weak candidates can’t win a fair primary.
So we’re all better off if they lose in the primary so a Dem can still win the general.
How does he not have a corrupt DNC behind him?
Because Martin has a decade long track record of running fair primaries and putting 100% effort behind anyone who makes it to the general…
Like, you don’t have to put faith in Ken Martin, I’m sure as fuck never going to use “faith” to influence my politics.
But he’s a known variable. There is zero indication he’s going to act like the prior corrupt chairs (Tim Kaine who voted with republicans here was literally one of the corrupt chairs tho).
Especially since their power came from controlling the purse strings to state parties, and Martin is freely giving that power away by giving the money back to state parties, and has been for months.
I’m confident he won’t weild the DNC as a club, because he’s whittling it back down into the pencil it was always meant to be. Even if he does a 180 and the chair corrupts him, he wouldnt be able to do what prior chairs were doing.
If Martin starts fucking up, and you stay on Lemmy, I’m almost positive I’ll be the first one you hear it from. This shit is too important for blind loyalty to anyone. The second he starts fucking around, I’m gonna be bitching about it.
Personally I’ve been assuming that the DNC is the same as the one that screwed Bernie in 2016. If that’s not so then its really important to make that a news item. This current fiasco is going to make people want to abandon the Democrats as a rallying point.
“I took this job to fight Republicans, not Democrats,” he added. “As I said when I was elected, our fight is not within the Democratic Party, our fight is and has to be solely focused on Donald Trump and the disastrous Republican agenda. That’s the work that I will continue to do every day.”
It’s the same DNC. Ken Martin has committed to not doing anything internally and only focusing externally on Trump. We will have to see how this bold strategy plays out again.
I’ve been assuming that the DNC is the same as the one that screwed Bernie in 2016
That makes zero logical sense tho…
The DNC is the chair, the chair is the DNC. They have complete power and zero rails. In 2016 only the chair knew that Hillary was paying the DNC bills and in return she had final say over anything the DNC did.
If that’s not so then its really important to make that a news item.
If you’re waiting for billionaire owned media to tell you that billionaires lost the fight over the DNC…
You’re always going to be waiting.
If you’re waiting for non-billionaire owned media…
Well, I don’t know why you’re still waiting:
This current fiasco is going to make people want to abandon the Democrats as a rallying point.
Yes. That’s literally what I’m saying… That is the result they want.
The few Dems in office doing this, are doing it to turn people against the party, because the neoliberals only shot at winning the next presidential primary, is if most Dem voters don’t vote in it.
Even if it means republicans winning the general, they’d prefer that to a progressive becoming president. If that happens, the neoliberals will never get power again.
Did the billionaires really lose the fight over the DNC? I remain unconvinced because of these linked articles. No I’m not waiting for billionaire media to convince me or anyone. I’m not an idiot.
I’m saying if its the case that the DNC is trustworthy and not actually rooting for Schumer’s surrender monkey tactics, its important that that is communicated somehow to voters. But an interview or press release is not going to cut it. How about they provide evidence by taking some action, like cutting Schumer and the rest off from campaign funds? Or something.
I’m saying if its the case that the DNC
Stop thinking of it as “the DNC”.
It’s whoever the chair is. It’s a fucked system and we need to fix, but that’s the reality of it.
Like, in 2021 when Biden took office, did you think “the president was a Russian puppet, he’s still a Russian puppet!”
Even tho Donald Trump and Joe Biden are completely different people? Because that’s literally what you’re doing here.
Martin ran Minnesota’s state Dem party for a decade. Right up till the day he became DNC chair. He has a very long and documented history there, and under his leadership it went from purple to home of some of our most progressive politicians.
If he’s a biased neoliberal, he’s so incompetent that it doesn’t matter.
Either way, we need to push for as many people as possible to vote in the Dem primary. Because the more people vote in the primary, the further left the candidate is
Oh it’s another givesomefucks pro-Ken Martin comment.
Ken Martin is not an anti-establishment DNC chair, he is a continuation of their same policy. He is in his own words happy to take money from ‘good billionaires’ - those same influential donors who run the party.
When billionaires pay for the party, it means the DNC is for billionaires.
Well said, we need to work with those who support us and cut out the bootlickers.
This is exactly it. I don’t think people understand how thick it is with the right trolling the left. Trolling is kind of an innocent word for it, because it has really shitty consequences.
If you’re skeptical, notice how when the right does something evil, outlandish and cruel, that there will be unnaturally quick upvoted comments going after the dems and blaming them. This isn’t a coincidence.
I generally agree, but part of the reason Schumer can’t whip votes is that he no longer controls the DNC.
He can’t direct DNC money towards the candidates that vote the way he wants, and he can’t direct money to their opponents to punish them when they break ranks.
I think this would be good for democracy, in the same way that anti-gerrymandering laws are good for democracy. … You know, except when.
Why are any dems appearing on Fox “News”?
Why are any dems appearing on Fox “News”?
To reach their target audience.
They want to appeal to the Republicans’ Never Trump demographic again.
That is, indeed, an excellent question.
I suppose it’s the only way vast swaths of the country will believe they exist.
I think it’s good that some do. I especially love Pete Buttigieg’s efforts on fox. For all those millions of chronic fox viewers, it’s the only way they’ll ever hear a rational perspective on any issues, and it might just be enough to get some of them to start thinking again.
Ehh, maybe Pete will take some notes from Mamdani and stay on a populus economic message and resist the culture war stuff.
Why do any Republicans go on CNN?
I’m guessing to get in front of millions of viewers, but I’m not an expert.
Of course he did.
His whip was publicly swaying traitors ahead of the vote. And all the “yes” votes are people who aren’t up next year or who are actively retiring. That is how they do stuff like this. Protect the traitors who can get re-elected and make the people getting their lobbyist payouts the bogeymen.
This is just standard Democrat strategy.
Their job - the service their rich donors pay them for - is to provide the illusion of opposition to the steady expansion of the wealth and privilege of those same rich donors.
So they posture in order to appear to be opposition, but then they inevitably cave, one way or another, whatever it takes.
There was never any question that the Dems were going to cave - that’s what they always do. The only questions were specifically how and when they were going to do it
And now we know.
So Chuck Schumer knew this would Happy and Therefore PURPOSELY let People get Kicked off SNAP during the Holidays? GREAT! THAT"S my Type of Leader!
