• smeenz@lemmy.nz
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      3 days ago

      The leader of the minority party is a piece of shit for…not convincing enough members of the majority maga party to vote against party lines ?

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        If someone from the right had said this, you would think they’re irrational cultists just trying to support their cult. I used to think the left is the way to go, but after coming here, not so much.

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        To these people, he’s a piece of shit no matter what. They’ve decided that “establishment” Democrats are even more of an enemy than Republicans. No matter what Schumer does, they will always criticize him for it.

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          Yeah apparently so. -7 downvotes (and counting) for me trying to figure out why they’re blaming the minority leader for this…I am so confused.

          I’m not sure if this is maga on lemmy trying to make the dems look bad, or if it’s russian trolls pretending to be dem supporters sick of the establishment or something else but whatever it is, putin has definitely got what he paid for.

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            The way a lot of people act on here, I hope you’re right. Because it gives a VERY bad impression of the left. It feels much more “MAGA” than I’d like.

            You’re right though, if I were a Russian troll, the “stupid liberal” would be the character I’d choose.

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        He literally gave the republicans what they wanted in exchange for a vote that would make zero material difference in the lives of his constituents.

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          He is the leader, but couldn’t or wouldn’t whip his party to hold the line, and defended the perfidious weasels who caved.

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          What the fuck are you talking about? NO HE DID NOT. He was NOT one of the Democrats who voted to end the shut down.

          You know being progressive isn’t an excuse to be downright dishonest, right?

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            OK, if he didn’t approve of their votes, what has he done to punish the democrats who did? Nothing at all? Weird.

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        please, there are two options here, neither is good for Schumer. Either, he’s ineffectual party leader (whether by not knowing or not having control)… OR he orchestrated it to maintain “plausible” deniability.

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          I strongly suspect we have a significant number of Dino sleepers in Congress. Either outright sleepers or close enough to simply be purchasable or blackmailable.

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            I strongly suggest you’re an idiot that chooses to believe things without proof because it “feels right”. The EXACT same logic as Trumpers.

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          So you want a “party leader” to literally control all other politicians in their party? That’s representative democracy to you? What “control” is he supposed to have?

          What a stupid fucking argument. He doesn’t have a goddamn mind control device and Senators are individuals that make their own decisions.

          Just admit the truth. You criticize Schumer BY DEFAULT no matter what he does. That’s what this boils down to. He did exactly what you said you wanted him to do and now you’re moving the goalposts. You are literally incapable of admitting that he did something you agree with.

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            Yeah what a coincidence that all the representatives that broke the shutdown weren’t up for re-election next time. Very convenient! I’m sure there was zero coordination to decide who would break rank.

            But even if there wasn’t any of that, Chuck still bears responsibility for the failure of the shutdown even if you don’t want to admit it.

            Chuck led the shutdown. For better or for worse, it failed to accomplish its goal. Ultimately more responsibility falls on him as minority leader than anyone else. It’s not insane to want someone who coordinates a major gambit like a government shutdown to be capable of keeping the other representatives from breaking rank to accomplish the goal of the shutdown. Coordinating votes is literally a huge part of the job as majority or minority leader. It’s disingenuous to say expecting a party leader in the house to line up votes is contrary to representative democracy.

            Just admit the truth, you’ll suck Chuck off no matter what he does. You’re literally incapable of not sucking his dick