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Who ask for delivery from a store that’s 10 minutes walking?
More like one hour walking, any food would be long cold before I come home. And I don’t own a car. The delivery comes usually by motorcycle in something like 5 minutes in an specialized bag that keeps warm.
I live in a food desert, so I have no choice but to buy restaurant food and have it hand delivered to me.
It doesn’t occur to me to take a cab to the supermarket and stock up. Actually it does but I don’t want to, because that takes time and effort. Cooking takes time and effort as well and I’m too lazy to learn or try.
But let me underscore again that really the problem is I live in a food desert. Also fast food is so expensive can’t someone do something about it? Don’t I have rights?
That’s what this thread feels like to me
Well look at Mr(s) Fancy Pants living somewhere walkable!
While I think these apps are exploitative on both sides (exploiting laziness/convenience and exploiting workers), I think implying that people who use delivery services are racist, classist, or both, is a very “internet” thing to do.
Perhaps it would be healthy if OP went outside for Christmas. A little walk in the real world, as opposed to Lemmy or Twitter or Bluesky, might help rebalance things.
Consider folks with disabilities or those who don’t own cars. I really don’t see the problem of a delivery service like DoorDash or UberEats that would pay its workers a living wage.
The reason those are unethical is that they don’t treat their workers as employees, and don’t pay enough. If someone started a generic-delivery service that used employed workers that are paid a living/thriving wage, didn’t request tips, had set fees, had customer service reps, and maybe had workers wear cams while on the shift as a security measure… would that not be worth supporting?
Hey, I totally agree with you.
The concept behind these apps is fine, even helpful. I’ve used these types of apps when I’ve been unwell and couldn’t get to the shops. I’m not forgetting people who are disabled. I don’t own a car.
I agree, an app that provided a similar service that took care of its employees would be fine. An app that provided a similar service without jacking the prices up massively and pushing junk food would be great.
I know and agree with you that the poor treatment and underpayment of workers is a problem.
Yes, of course your alternative app would be worth supporting.
We do not seem to be in any disagreement here.
If we all stop using the app, does it benefit these gig workers?
No, but the social conditions that allow the gig economy to even exist hurts gig workers. As usual, a systemic issue is being framed as a matter of consumer choice.
No.
Perhaps it would be healthy if OP went outside for Christmas.
Don’t worry I will have to go to my horrible laboring job.
The kind that only lower class minorities work? /s in case it wasn’t obvious
Yes that one. Literally mostly lower class minorities. Why the sarcasm?
Are you familiar with the clip of that person saying like, “Well Mr Trump, if you deport all the Mexicans, who will clean your toilets?”
I’m only asking cos this feels like the same situation. I think you’re pointing at a wider problem which is legit, but the way you’re expressing it is really hamfisted.
I think the problem here is that I didn’t make the meme and wouldn’t have made it about minorities. I think it’s bad that someone has to deliver food for a bad living, no matter the race.
But I find a lot of people here are making excuses about how they really really need their nuggies delivered by people deliberately kept poor and they can’t just put frozen ones into the oven themselves.
Ha, yeah I’m on board with your second point, man.
Thank you that’s nice. There have been special situations, where even I have ordered delivery. Also not everyone needs to have the exact same rules for this as me.
But still, I see this with acquaintances as well: Those who can afford it start using a lot of the working time of poorer people.
Jokes on you, my neighborhood is so gentrified minorities don’t dare enter.
God bless poor white people!
I don’t believe you
op basically just screamed “I am 19!” In the town square.
op assumes there is a town square
I wish that jobs like this were higher paid.
I’m disabled, and thus sometimes when I order food in this way, it’s because it’s literally the only way for me to access food. That means that in a sense, delivery workers are important components of the complex network of social care infrastructure, and that makes me all the more angry at how exploited these workers are.
I tip generously when I’m able to, but often that’s not something I can afford. There’s not very much that an individual can do to improve the working conditions for exploited workers, and that’s true regardless of whether the person ordering the food is disabled or has some other need for delivery or someone who is just doing it for the convenience. It is possible for people to be able to order food for delivery at relatively affordable prices, and for the delivery workers to be sufficiently compensated for their labour, but that will require political change to counter the systems of oppression. Systemic problems can’t be solved through individual action
Walk 10 mins…? What bull shit magic fantasy land do you hail form that ANYTHING is a 10 min walk away. The nearest fast food to me would be like just shy of a 2 hour walk at an avg pace.
For most people getting anywhere is like 8-12 miles here in America if not further.
Pretty much every country except for the USA seems to be a bull shit magic fantasy land. At least when living in any kind of larger city.
The US is doing very badly. Growing up it was a 3 mile walk to the nearest gas station let alone anywhere that served food.
Usually was unsafe to walk that since there were no sidewalks and I’d be charged by at least 3 dogs in the way.
One time I tried to start exercising and decided to walk down my road. I had a cop circle me for 20 minutes, and 3 people offered me a ride which was nice but they were so confused that I was just walking
Canada is the same as USA in that regard. The only restaurant in 10 minutes walking distance to my place is Wendy’s. Anything good is 30 to 60 minutes walk or 5-10 minutes drive.
I can walk to a spot, but it’s 15 Minutes there and then again back, plus getting dressed, plus waiting for my order. I could order pick-up of course, but at that point I would have to use the same app I can use to get it delivered. Can I spare an hour for dinner? When I’m meeting someone, of course. Several even. But when I just need to eat something, I’m not going to.
This may not necessarily apply to you, but those 30 minutes of walking would do wonders for the overall health of your average American.
Can I spare an hour for dinner?
If it’s more affordable for you to order someone else to drive through the city to bring you food that someone cooked for you then there’s something nefarious going on.
Hi, yes, that’s a very USian issue. We here don’t believe in the separation of residential and commercial areas.
Sim City taught me that causes something called “congestion “ and the sims get pretty pissed about it.
Seems like USAians are very happy with congestion.
The UK separates like this, but residential are dotted with small stores, and industrial areas are strictly business warehouses and factories and such. Large stores are near the commercial/town centres and occasionally by the industrial.
What bull shit magic fantasy land do you hail form that ANYTHING is a 10 min walk away.
The American mind literally cannot comprehend the default state of being in Europe
Yes we are so used to living in hell
Plus this meme is literally an example of European brain being unable to comprehend American City planning (or lack thereof)
Also there are smaller towns in more rural Europe where it is a pain just to get down to the Main Street in the village where all the stores are. But you won’t hear about that on Lemmy.
I come from a teeny tiny village in Germany where, when I still lived there, the only commercial establishment was a bakery and I think that’s gone now too. It’s not because of any deliberate planning though like they seem to do in the US.
I love my 20 minute walk to the train station where the train I need to go into town only runs once an hour! What ever could you mean?
Honestly though I still like i better than the US, but i do miss the convince of driving
My lazy as SIL and her boyfriend will doordash food that’s a block away from the house.
I’m in New York City. There’s maybe a dozen food places within ten minutes. There’s more, but some of them may be in the 15-20 minute range. Several million people live here.
What hell do you live in that’s so remote?
You’re a privileged person who has no idea what you’re talking about. You need to get out of you think that is the norm.
Almost literally anywhere other than where you live.
Man, I grew up in the country and I feel like it took practically no time to get what city living is like (currently live in one). You really are proud of having no idea what other ways of life are like? It’s supposed to be rural people that are the ignorant ones.
No, I was asking about which specific hell they live in. edit: not specific like “give me your address” but like, suburb, countryside, whatever. Maybe I shouldn’t post before breakfast.
Fair enough, but honestly 99% of the places you can live in America are like that or worse. Your mind would be blown if you took a road trip in the American southwest. I drove on one highway in new Mexico that didn’t have cell service for a 2 hour stretch. More than an hour between gas stations. And I actually saw homes people lived in out there.
Anywhere that is not a city? Each time these things come up, I become more and more convinced that city dwellers have no clue what it is like to live anywhere else.
I was asking which specific hell they live in, but clearly I did not phrase my question clearly.
I become more and more convinced that city dwellers have no clue what it is like to live anywhere else.
It’s just that the vast majority of people live in cities. So whatever some rural people are doing - good. But maybe y’all need to cook and not expect some poor person to work 80h/week hauling your soggy fast food around just to break even - that’s not far from slavery.
If you can regularly afford delivery you’re certainly way better off than them.
A city may contain as few as 1 person. Cities are not defined by their total population or by their population density. Large cities are NOT the norm. You’re the exception. You’re the special case. You’re privileged. You’re rude. You’re out of touch. Maybe travel.
A city may contain as few as 1 person.
not true
Yes and no, most people do live in cities (if we’re still talking about the US), but a minority of those cities are actually walkable. And many cities are limited in what areas are walkable.
It’s hard to find data on this obviously, so I can only speak anecdotally. Take a city like Dallas for example the core portion can be walkable, but it very quickly turns into un-walkable sprawl. Cities like Seattle and New York are very walkable. Then you have cities like Jacksonville and Orlando that are absolutely un-walkable.
I’d wager that more population lives in this un-walkable areas since the cores usually host buisnesses instead of apartments
Ok but if cities are not walkable, just don’t get food delivered on the regular.
You really just have no idea what you’re talking about, do you?
Literally any suburb.
well I have like 10 restaurants within 10 mins walk…
Then you’re a privileged person who shouldn’t be shitting on people who don’t have it as good as you.
No I’m not I just live in a different country. Still poor, I would be the person working this job if I didn’t have another bad job already.
One of the “perks” of living in poor parts of a city is having fast food within walking distance.
white poor people work door dash all the time….
btw, MLK Jr started the poor people’s campaign shortly before he was assassinated:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_People’s_Campaignwhite poor people work door dash all the time….
sure and it’s a shitty job for them as well
Two things can be true. It’s a shitty job, but a job nonetheless, and we can also want those jobs to be less shitty.
I don’t understand how anyone can afford fast food now days, let alone paying delivery fees and tips.
The entire concept of DoorDash in a car centric part of the world is mysterious to me. If I’m too drunk or stoned to drive I just go to sleep. I’m not spending $50 on a cold Big Mac.
Then you aren’t drunk or stoned enough!
Pretty sure $50 is an extreme exaggeration. I would barely be spending $60 on sushi for two after delivery fee and tip.
Not to mention it made pizza delivery infinitely worse
If I’m too drunk or stoned to drive I just go to sleep.
Also just buy a freezer meal or whatever a week before. That fast food craving can be satisfied in other ways. Frozen pizza or whatever.
Many people are way better off than I often think. That’s Germany though, dunno about the US. But here so many people are crazy well off while a also large chunk of the population does live off homebrand stuff not eating out ever.
My work has a DoorDash account and uses it exclusively. When management decides to order food for us, it has to go through DoorDash.
The other week I was told they’d buy lunch for my team. Thing is, we all have different dietary needs. I was told to pick something for lunch, and when I did I was told, “Oh that restaurant doesn’t use DoorDash. Pick somewhere else. Also it’s a $10 limit.”
Oookay. My lunch being at an earlier time than many in my team, a lot of places that I would order from aren’t open yet. I don’t do fast food, which limits my choices further. Then you can’t put custom information in your order (like, “the #14 sandwich, but with no cheese”) which right out of the gate means a lot of options are out of reach. The $10 limit was also ridiculous, as food prices have been rising higher and now even the most basic things will be around $12 minimum. Navigating the site alone was a headache on top of it all, as it isn’t intuitive for someone with dietary restrictions. I eventually gave up and told my manager, “I know this was intended as a treat for us, but this is too stressful for me to try to do while I’m also working.”
Thankfully, someone else already knew of an option that would work for me, so I went with that. It sucks that although my work place is trying to be inclusive, being limited to DoorDash (and a $10 price ceiling) makes that incredibly difficult. I’d rather just be given the $10 and be done with it.
Cute you still think they’re a lower class than you.
the system thrives in creating subclasses so everyone can feel superior and want to preserve the system, less they become like “them”, because they are better than “then”.
I am on the side of every single working class person. Be that person without papers or a white male doctor. As long as they both have to work to subsist.
That fine but unless you own capital we’re all in the same class. We gotta trade our time or health to survive.
That’s what I said!
Don’t forget the extra charges and price increases along the way which fund the tech billionaires who own these apps.
Previously we had Capitalism (and that already wasn’t great). Where a buyer and a seller met and then freely determined the price transaction.
Now via many of these market place apps (ebay, Amazon, AliExpress) we have markets where a third party (the platforms owner) can algorithmically control who sees what prices, and when, acting as a means to promote whatever prices benefit the platforms profitability the most.
That’s why the VC tech guru “disruptors” business model is often to run at a massive loss for years then basically owning a whole market.
This new system is called Techno-Feudalism.
Self righteous internet person:
“You should not be able to voluntarily work for some extra income because I find it distasteful.”
Yes instead of assigning blame where it belongs (who keeps wages so low necessitating the gig economy?), they decided to blame the consumer.
People that are stuck being reliant on gig jobs like doordash would be rather unhappy and become rapidly poorer if people decided to stop using these apps. But that’s what always happens. If buisness collapses the worker suffers and the CEO walks away rich.
OP really decided to make a class issue all about race
This is the redo of the rich person with all the cookies and two poor people fighting over one at the table. Except this person fell for being one of the poor people.
People that are stuck being reliant on gig jobs like doordash would be rather unhappy and become rapidly poorer if people decided to stop using these apps.
Sounds like one of those pro sweatshop arguments. The kids wouldn’t have jobs!!!
OP really decided to make a class issue all about race
I just copied this meme from reddit, I actually didn’t want to make it about race. Buuuut, there’s a lot of minorities doing the shit jobs, right? Curious
The right wing is full shit almost always, especially when they bring up ViRtUe SiGnaLlInG. Yet if they said it about you they’d be spot on.
Buuuut, there’s a lot of minorities doing the shit jobs, right? Curious
Wait I thought you were shot? Makes sense you’d come back from the dead just to start race baiting bullshit again
Pretty bad look for you to turn my point about minorities being forced into shit jobs into a reference on charlie kirk
op was punching up, you changed it to punching down.
Criticizing the old fart who cheats on his wife with a prostitute isn’t the same as criticizing the prostitute for trying to pay rent.
OP was always trying to punch down. The blame is on the wealthy not the average person ordering door dash.
I can promise you the door dasher and the consumer are both much more close economically than either are to the shareholders or CEO of doordash
The poor consumer has to order trash from temu where little children will be better off assembling the single use electronics.
Let the punching down continue!
That’s the bigotry of low expectations - poor people can’t be vegan, they have to order on temu etc…
Yes its the fault of the poors! You figured it out
Where did I say that. Also most people ordering delivery on the regular are pretty well off - at least more than they realize - because that shit isn’t cheap.
Nice bigotry, only “minorities” door dash?
The racism is in your head
Relax. Everyone knows plenty of white males do it. Plenty of white males are very poor.
So why did you post a meme that singles minorities out?
What exactly is the message you’re trying to send?
Oh now you’re sexist too?
