How will transferring power to the JVance help?
What we need is the complete eradication of all government staff appointed by or associated with the Trump administration. Every Republican who voted with him, every Democrat who did the same.
Once that is done, a Manhattan Project sized initiative of judicial reprisal is enacted towards every single person who enabled the Trump administration. The Heritage Foundation is raided and staff is brought up on charges of insurrection. Fox News and the entirety of the right wing noise machine starts facing hard legal, financially devastating consequences for deliberately lying to the public. They, and all other news outlets are kept on a short leash until the heat death of the fucking universe. Corporate personhood is revoked, corporate lobbying is made illegal, and billionaires are taxed until they are brought to heel.
None of this will matter until the people responsible are fleeing for their lives.
Be careful hitting them too hard in the pockets as it could have pre-WW2 type economic effects amongst hundred of thousands of people who could get really violent and try to overthrow the government (again)
Just guillotine em and be done with it.
Yeah, that isn’t going to happen. The billionaires are getting exactly what they want. The Christians are getting a lot of what they want. They’re going to keep him in power for as long as possible.
Oh, yeah. There won’t be an election. Or if there is, the fix is in.
We’ve been here before so many times. France is the only country with any mettle. The rest of Europe is going to wail about “not escalating things” and there will go Greenland, and effectively NATO, which is just what… huh which country wants that gone again? Surely not a country that has been shown to manipulate Trump.
Problem is that if it would get to war, trump and his loonies stay in power because of a ongoing war and crisis state. Not escalating things is very important to do.
However, that does not mean we can not support greenland if it would come to him invading. We just shouldnt push him to go there.
Also, if anything, its america that should fix america. Not the rest of the world
Will never happen, the Republicans would have to admit all his executive orders are tainted. They kept Reagan’s dementia quiet for 2 years.
With a mortar launcher
Just post the archive link ffs
If they ever remove this ass from office, it will probably just be the final compromise to somehow still not release the epstein files.
Who’s the next scapegoat puppet they have lined up?
Paywall 👎
Just use anti-paywal filter in ublock or adguard or brave or adblock plus.
Ad Blocker
I use ad blocking dns and it doesn’t prevent paywalls.
Please consider including an archive or similar link with no paywall next time.
uBlock, dawg
Nah, non-paywalled links should be mandatory rule.
Sure, so nothing then. Got it. 🙄
Literally just:
- Load https://archive.in/
- paste url
- wait a moment
- copy archive.in url and put on Lemmy.
Anyone know why there is an https error on this link?
Yep, you shouldn’t post if you cannot provide a link that is accessible to everyone.
Take a look at the internet archive and other services that remove paywalls.
Maybe… In 2027 👀
Blah, blah, blah.
Just like last time, no one did anything and this time will be no different.
The blind allegiance to power is too strong.
Dude defunded NPR and they still bootlick nonstop. The indoctrination is deep.
The problem is the world became to reliant on one country. I hope this means it won’t happen again. But it well cause money consolidates.
Correct. Also permanent removal via 25th is actual harder than impeachment and removal because you will eventually need 2/3rds of each house of Congress. The 25th amendment is not a short circuit to impeachment.
What we need is Congress to signal to Trump a real, actual threat of impeachment. He would have to change course, and if he didn’t then he should be removed
So true, now undress yourself, get on all 4s and wait at the front door for you master.
it’s tiresome seeing all these “tHaT wAs ThE lAsT sTrAw” headlines for years and years, while he just keeps doing whatever tf bullshit he wants with zero consequence
Well if he’s not careful, he might get SLAMMED.
It’s almost like the American “resistance” is a bunch of fucking cowards.
“But I have a family! But I have a job”
Go fuck yourself, so did literally everyone else who ever fought against great odds, you absolute clown.
All while still being very proud that “they” did something in ww2
Most people subconsciously know that they would get Charlie Kirk’d five minutes into their career as resistance fighters.
Maybe you muppets shouldn’t have dined out on “give me liberty or give me death” for two centuries if you just thought it sounded cool but didn’t really mean it.
Have you served or been involved in armed conflict before? Ever conducted or been involved with combat operations in any theater of asymmetrical warfare?
Edit: @[email protected] that was an earnest question. If it was you, I take it that down-vote means “no”. However, I suppose there’s nothing stopping you from saying “yes”, and just lying about it.
Or all those guns that so regularly end up in school shootings, yet are supposedly essential for their freedom™ and for “fighting an unjust government.”
First of all, you can call “muppet” someone irl and see what the consequences are.
Secondly, you come off as nothing more than a keyboard warrior.
Thirdly, educate yourself.
Dude’s got a point tho.
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At least the Americans have something to resist.
Just so I understand properly, are you saying Americans are better than Canadians because your president is so appalling that he requires armed resistance?
Genuinely, I don’t understand what the argument is here. How is having “something to resist” a good thing?
Canada showed up to both world wars on day one, Muppet.
While you cowards snivelled on the sidelines, profiteering on it, before jumping in on the last ten minutes. Canada isn’t fucking stupid enough to vote in an absolute lunatic. We aren’t dumb enough to have created an electoral college system, and be tied in to a system that doesn’t allow for government removal between election cycles. We know better than to let the head of state and the head of government be the same orange dipshit. We know that the head of state needs to be apolitical.deleted by creator
America didn’t win the wars, you putz, lol. If anything, you cowards ( and you’ve always been cowards) caused them to go on longer than they otherwise would have. And we don’t fight for the King. We fight in his name, and have never answered to him. He answers to us. You dipshits wouldn’t know about that, though because you’re too busy bending the knee to a madman, pretending that you ever have or would ever scrounge up the guts to fight tyranny And here’s a history lesson for you and your likewise illiterate brethren. 1776 wasn’t about freedom or democracy. If it were, there would have been built in protections that could be properly utilized in a crises. Both Britain and the Commonwealth realms had and have far superior systems. You muppets are falling apart from the inside out, and have no one to blame but yourselves. You fucked up from the Reagan era on, so couldn’t even manage a half century as a superpower before you were already in decline. Pathetic little muppets.
Weak, MAGA level ad hominem. It’s interesting how many of you sound the same and resort to the same boring, tired lines when you’re reminded that your good intentions on their own mean fuck all. Defensive in the same way an 8 year old (or Trump supporter) gets defensive. Way to have ChatGPT help you out with that last paragraph, though. Really drives the point home.
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If you can’t see how at this point in time ‘America bad’ is extremely accurate, you are hopelessly lost.
Calm down.
It’s all a conspiracy by BigStraw
Well, THIS is the last straw for real now!
Source: trust me bro.
After this straw, and that straw, we only have 16 straws left!
The camel’s back is vibranium
The majority of democrats in charge of this country seem to just not care… And the Republicans in charge at this point are full fascist steam ahead, and elated by every terrible thing that takes place.
The only hope is a revolution but I don’t know who’s gonna lead it
Mark Milley
CQ Brown
H.R. McMaster
Jim Mattis
Meroe Park
Dan Coats
Joseph Maguire
Jeffrey Kruse
Alexander Vindman
Tim Haugh
Milton Sands
James Comey
Lisa Franchetti
You’re literally sitting on a pile of decorated generals, heads of intelligence and national security agency leaders who have been forced out by Trump for licking boot or have resigned in protest of Trump.
Where are these cowards? A few are clowning around on social media. If these people won’t stand up, you’re absolutely fucked.
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Who’s “you”? I’m not American
No one’s running out of straw!
dude makes enemies everywhere. bonkers.
American democracy is a sham. Too many influencers and voters that are too easily influenced.
Just like every other country on the planet…
Sigh. I keep reminding people that the 25th Amendment was not meant for this. It was meant for when a President is physically incapacitated. Like, if a President was shot in the head, and is still alive, but in a coma. Because all the President has to do is say “Naw, I’m good”, and he gets his office back. If the VP and Cabinet still agree, it takes a 2/3 majority of both Houses to make the expulsion stick. And even then, the VP carries in as “Acting President”, which is not formally defined anywhere.
Impeachment is the way to handle this. It has a lower threshold. It doesn’t require the VP or Cabinet to sign off first, and only needs 1/2 the House to start the process. And once the President is removed from office by 2/3 of the Senate, the VP becomes the actual President, no “acting” involved.
Because all the President has to do is say “Naw, I’m good”
Or, historically, his wife claims he’s good, but can’t speak to anyone directly, so she would talk with him away from everyone and come back with his feedback.
I predict Stephen Miller would be the one to assume that role this time.
I’m certain Stephen Miller has already assumed other wifely duties for Trump, so this wouldn’t be a stretch.
I like you’re assumption that’s not already happening. Trump doesn’t have the capacity to orchestrate what’s currently going on, there is definitely multiple people using him for their own interests.
Sure, but as yet he remains the mouthpiece.
If he either falls apart or even worse, somehow grows a conscience, then they will isolate him and speak on his behalf.
What is impeachment usually meant to do? Because he’s been impeached twice and here he is.
Colloquially it is also meant to include conviction by the Senate. Impeach + convict. But yes, Republicans have been assholes for many decades. It still needs to happen though, so it is what continues to get demanded.
Impeachment is meant as a check on an Imperial Presidency. In the Constitution, it is supposed to be triggered in response to “High Crimes and Misdemeanors”. It leaves to Congress what that means. So it does not have to be a chargeable crime. The President is supposed to uphold the Constitution, and Treaties like the NATO treaty are supposed to have the same force as the Constitution. Threatening to attack our allies should count as impeachable.
However, he has been impeached twice and failed because Republicans in Congress have his back. In particular, the second time around McConnell said that Trump deserved punishment, but it was better done in the courts. Then Surprise! the Courts said the only way to hold a sitting President to account was through impeachment. It was an ouroborous of letting him off the hook.
We may have to live with the fact that there is no way to fix this, other than voters (or God Himself) intervening, as long as Republicans are too chickenshit to stand up to Trump.
It would lead to his removal, but it got cockblocked by the Senate. As intended.
For those that don’t know. The Senate purely represents old money. They were created as a check/balance to keep citizens from taking away wealth, privilege, and power from the ruling class.
The British House of Lords used to hold the same sort of power with their ability to veto anything passed by the House of Commons. The House of Commons took this veto power away, but unfortunately they were only able to do this by getting the King to threaten to ennoble hundreds of new people and overwhelm the power of the traditional Lords. Our (US) current King would of course never agree to any such thing.
That’s a fascinating historical nugget. I wonder if he would have actually gone through with it? That would have been hilarious. How would they get picked?
He (King George V) would have done it (in 1911). Asquith (the Prime Minister) told him that his father (King Edward VII) had promised to do it before his death in 1910 and King George assented. Asquith actually prepared lists with hundreds of names on them.
Which is why the House is often called “the People’s House”.
For what I know, impeaching him means the house will vote to send him home. If the vote doesn’t pass, he won’t go home.
Impeachment is the House voting to put the President on trial in the Senate. The Senate is then to hear the evidence and vote whether or not to remove the President from office. Trump was impeached twice but the Senate voted partisanly to keep him in office both times.
It was meant for when a President is physically incapacitated.
Dementia is physical incapacitation.
It never says physically incapacitated at all. It says:
“unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office”
If the president has a stroke and becomes a psychotic menace. Nervous breakdown and won’t leave his room…all sorts of things.
That’s the text all right, but the text also says that all the President has to do is present Congress with a “written declaration that no inability exists” to get his job back. So as long as the President has the mental acuity to write a letter, he gets his job back. Not a high bar at all, and your “psychotic menace” or “nervous breakdown” Presidents can still write a letter.
If the president objects, the matter goes before Congress, which can decide with a two-thirds vote to permanently remove the president and install the vice president.
Yes, and that process involves a higher threshold (2/3 of both houses) than impeachment (1/2 of the House and 2/3 of the Senate). It also needs the VP to agree.
So if impeachment won’t work, then this won’t work either.
Except for the 25th you have his cabinet turning on him first, and that’s a big deal. If his cabinet doesn’t have faith in him, I would suspect that the house and senate would see that as a big deal.
Honestly, if you can get 2/3 to agree, they shouldn’t need to have any qualifying condition. That should just be the bar for getting fired even if enough people simply don’t like him being there.
That’s already how it works with impeachment. You need 1/2 of the house and 2/3rds of the Senate to agree to remove. You are describing what already exists
That’s why there’s been several impeachments in the last 20 years but nobody has left office.
I’m talking about straight up ejection from the moment the vote is validated type of stuff. Not the beginning to a hopelessly long series of trials and further votes. Just a one vote, done thing that could easily be official before the pres even know it might be likely.
Presidents are far too comfy as far as job security goes. They should be at risk of being fired literally every second if enough people agree that they’re a fuck-up. And depending on the reason the vote happens, they should be notified they’re fired by a surprise pair of handcuffs. None of this long drawn out shit. The fastest thing possible in reference should be fitting the leader.
If his condition is in decline and this is not the last stupid thing he does it might become more likely.
Right, because that’s possible.
You’re 100% right on the mechanics of it, but only 90% right overall. There is one small thing you might not be considering: Republicans might be more supportive of removing an “incapacitated” president than impeaching a tyrannical one because of the less damaging connotation of it.
Doubt it. Reagan likely had Alzheimer’s while President, nobody cared.
The worst of his dysfunction came late in his Presidency. He wasn’t demanding crazy shit publicly, so no one really wanted to kick him out, they just let me move on naturally.
And he was 77 when he left office, a year younger than Trump was when he started this term!
Did Reagan threaten war with NATO?
No, but he did declare war on an island
Excellent point. They aren’t admitting that their party failed America, just that their beloved candidate is having a serious health issue. There’s no shame in that.
Impeachment was attempted after the Jan. 6th Insurrection, if it didn’t work when he was trying to monkeywrench the levers of power by subverting the confirmation of the vote, and it won’t work now. He’s been shooting his stupid mouth off for decades, being old doesn’t necessarily make him demented despite very obvious signs of aging poorly.
You’re absolutely correct. But people need to realize that the 25th amendment is not a viable option. The threshold for action via the 25th Amendment is higher. If impeachment won’t work, the 25th amendment won’t either.
