Come on Beatriz, please tell us how to solution to this is age verification and deanonymization of everyone on the internet.
I dunno. People were dumb as shit long before screens.
True that, also the type of screen and what their doing on it matters. For example a kid reading on a kindle or a kobo ia fine in my opinion. Reading Wikipedia or news in an ipad is fine. Scrolling through titktok is not.
Just block dump sites like tiktok and facebook and it will be fine. As long as you monitor the usage it is fine. The problem is parents don’t know how to do it.
Why wait？
Dip a pacifier near you today!
I have already viewed it that way for at least a few years now.
Wow, raising kids soley on hyperinteractive screens, not ever reading to them, not even potty training them, never exposing them to any kinds of constructive play or even just in person social activity outside of the home, leads to astounding developmental delay?
We’ve got numbers coming out of the UK now that like a third of kids entering school can’t eat or use the bathroom without assistance. Try to scroll on images and pages of paper, have never even encountered a book before.
Yeah, raising your kid on a screen and doing basically nothing else is child neglect.
Problem is you have to have both parents working because of landlord greed. The potty training part.is how you know it’s not the phones, because you can watch skibidi toilet on the real toilet
Lmao the fuck it will. Technology enables you to not have to raise your kid, so the kids won’t be alright. Humanity has shown time and time again that we are not capable of handling these issues, we’d rather just kick the ball down the road or ignore it entirely. (See: climate change, rise of right wing fascism, the existence of capitalism, loneliness epidemic, etc.)
You are half right. We are capable, it’s just not profitable enough so the people who’s bottom line it would affect turn all their efforts into preventing us dealing with it.
Isn’t it already? Or am I living in some kind of parenting bubble? No one I know thinks it is ok to let their kids be glued to the screen. There are some parents (usually understandably exhausted single parents with multiple children under 6) who do put on kids music on youtube just so that they can tackle some acute problem or have a 10 minute break but otherwise no one thinks screens are great or even ok. It’s used as a last resort mostly. Isn’t that the norm? At least this is my experience for kids under 6.
Every time I go out to eat I see kids of all ages with their faces glued to a screen of some kind while mom and dad eat. Is that a last resort? It looks to me like laziness and a lack of engagement.
My wife and I went out recently and a nearby table had no less than three children each with their own tablets all on full volume while the 5 or so adults completely ignored this.
Three screens is bad enough but at least give them headphones. That is ridiculous.
Unless the same family eats out at that restaurant every day of the week, who are we to judge when we see this? Maybe they went out once in a blue moon and kids went insane but parents wanted to finish their meal. Maybe the kids had a long overstimulating day already and can’t handle a restaurant anymore but are also too hungry to go home at that point. Maybe the parents are scared of everyone around them judging if their kids don’t behave like 1920s kids who are too scared to even breathe in front of their parents. There can be multiple reasons for screens at restaurants and food courts and it’s not up to me or you to judge. Restaurants and going out are usually a special occasion and while I don’t condone putting your child in front of a screen when you are eating out, I don’t want to prematurely extrapolate to screen use at home.
I also want to add, when you say you see kids glued to screens every time you go out, are you sure you don’t see any who aren’t? Because I have this with dogs, I despise dogs and I spot a dog when there is one. While a place could be full of cats or rats or squirrels and I wouldn’t even notice.
I don’t know, I’ve always thought the point was to teach children how to act and socialize in public. It’s bad enough seeing adults on their phones when hanging out in public with friends instead of just speaking with one another.
There can be multiple reasons for screens at restaurants
I’ve never heard a good one except from parents who have children with some kind of severe handicap. I know exactly what it’s like to go to a restaurant with children of all ages and for almost everyone screens are not required, acting like a parent is. You can tell the difference.
when you say you see kids glued to screens every time you go out, are you sure you don’t see any who aren’t?
Yes I’m sure.
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The problem isn’t necessarily the screens. These screens are a portal into the entire collective knowledge of humanity, after all. There is so much information that, as recently as 30 years ago, was impossible for anyone outside small niches to access, which is now available in just a few seconds. It is nothing less than democratizing information. And connections between people have also gotten a lot easier. We take for granted now that we can talk with anyone in the world, at any time.
However, it’s the social media that these screens enable that is the problem, because they take the agency away from people. Inquisitive minds are no longer seeking out relevant information, they passively sit back and let the information come to them. Social Media sites hold engagement as their only value (just as TV media did before), and will shove absolutely anything in someone’s face to get them to keep scrolling. It doesn’t matter whether the content is enraging, uplifting, or even true: if it grabs someone attention long enough to see the ad, it is successful in their eyes.
We haven’t really put many restrictions on our kids’ screen time. (And how can I? I make my living looking at screens all day). But from the beginning, we have made sure our kids understand that we want them seeking content out, not passively consuming it. While the kids were younger, we only gave them access to social media like YouTube in a shared area, where we could see what they were watching and searching for, and watched with them. We curated their own mental algorithms, and if they stumbled on something we didn’t want them to see, we explained why. I can’t say they never succumb to brainrot, but they do seem to have developed the critical thinking skills that their peers have missed out on. (In other words, they know it’s brainrot when they see it, even if they watch anyway!)
She’s got it backwards: with the likes of RFK Jr in charge, dipping your entire child in alcohol will be deemed as harmless as using Facebook was before we knew better.
Making fun of fascists aside, there’s nothing inherently wrong with “screens” and oversimplifying the world into “screens” and “not screens” will harm children MUCH more than help them.
ESPECIALLY in the case of neuroatypical children whose burdens can be significantly lessened with smart use of technology or catastrophically multiplied by treating screens as harmful things to avoid when possible.
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Yes, it absolutely was a thing and I think in some places may still be a thing (or recommended by older generations)
They used to suggest dipping the pacifier in whiskey. These days, they’d probably suggest dipping it in a CBD tincture or something.
It was absolutely a thing, especially for teething.
My grandmother said that all three of her boys got brandy in the pacifier and it mellowed them out lol
My family recommends putting whisky on your finger and rubbing it on teething baby’s gums…
Why would you waste perfectly good cocaine on babies?
Why else would it sometimes be cut with baby powder if it wasn’t meant for babies?
In the future, they’ll wonder how awful we must have been to use education as a weapon to make Sociopathic Oligarchs wealthier.
I fucking hate all of these people. You do not improve people’s lives by restricting their freedoms.
If you care about the mental health issues of young people, then actually tackle the causes of those issues. Fund mental health care. Provide youth centres. Kids are growing up in our fucking nightmare world, it’s no surprise they have mental health problems. I grew up here too, and yeah, same.
They’re taking away social media because the kids learned about Israel’s genocide on TikTok. There’s no evidence which demonstrates a causative link between decline in mental health and social media use in teens. It’s all complete bullshit.
You get it, don’t let all the downvotes from the clueless convince you otherwise
Don’t worry about it, even going back over ten years when I was active on Reddit I’d get downvoted to oblivion for my position on many things which everyone now agrees with. Mainstream society usually needs a bit of time to catch up to me. A year or two from now, everyone will have been against this. I can almost guarantee it.
I really hope that people will see through the lies and support people’s rights
Sidenote, “One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This” is a good book, it’s about Gaza but also the misuse of language in politics. It’s about how the people who are full on supporting repugnant things will some day swear up and down they didn’t
Yeah you do. If you restrict the ability to fuck over others, most of us would be happier. I’m mainly thinking of amassing obscene wealth, but there are other ways
You do not improve a person’s life by removing that person’s freedom, is my point. There aren’t any teenage billionaires…?
You ever notice how no one ever recommends doing things that are empowering even when the data says they actually do protect children? Only ever restrictions?
The domination of children is fundamental for conservatism. Even leftists and liberals have been brainwashed into thinking the “traditional” family unit is a good, natural thing, when it is very clearly a vehicle for child abuse.
The Epstein class don’t give even a little bit of a shit about protecting kids, of course they don’t, they want to exploit them. The fact that the mainstream is actually buying into these lies is depressing. Everyone is accepting it with very little evidence.
A classic way of knowing your biases is to know what you’ll accept without evidence.
I hate how so many people are falling for the propaganda. I want a better solution than traditional.families
My point is you vastly improve others’ lives. You reduce the ceiling of freedom for everyone but increase the baseline freedom everyone experiences
How is this even slightly relevant to the topic? Whose life are you improving by taking away the freedom of young people?
There’s no evidence which demonstrates a causative link between decline in mental health and social media use in teens. It’s all complete bullshit.
Oh yeah, no links of any kind.
Those who had spent four or more hours with screens were 4.78 times more likely to have underdeveloped communication skills, 1.74 times more likely to have subpar fine motor skills and two times more likely to have underdeveloped personal and social skills by age 2. By age 4, risk remained only in the communication and problem-solving categories.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/21/health/screen-time-child-development-delays-risks-wellness
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0885201423000242
Recommendations regarding screen-based media use.
Screen-based media use by young children – recommendations
Parents:
• No screen time for children younger than 2 years, with an exception of video chatting • Minimize screen time for children 2–5 (max 1 h), providing alternative activities • Avoid exposing children to background screens, e.g., by turning TV off if no one is watching or when child is present in the room • Engage in co-viewing and mediating strategies, by e.g., creating rules on screen-time and which content is allowed to be viewed, explaining what is happening on the screen, asking questions about viewed content • Select interactive media content and use media together with your child • Avoid fast-paced programs and apps with highly distracting content, select programs that are not interrupted with commercials • Screen media should not be used as means to calm children, with an exception of special times, e.g., during medical procedures or flights • Use of screen-devices should be avoided by all family members during meal and playtimes, right before nap/bedtime, and during family gatherings • Discuss any concerns regarding child screen-media use with healthcare providers • Create a personalized media plan using a Family Media Plan platform developed by AAP with the help of a healthcare provider if necessary… What, are you gonna say ‘well thats young kids, not teens’… as if effects that start at an early age don’t compound overtime with the same usage patterns?
You ever seen the videos of those kids that will scream and cry… untill the device is given back?
The pre-teens and tweens who will destroy a parent’s car, knowing they are on camera, because they confiscated their device?
Sorry, but a whole lot of the root of this issue is parents who are utterly checked the fuck out.
Unless you’re gonna propose regulating the ability to have a child, have the state raise these kids in lieu of the parents… everything else is just a bandaid.
The kind of fixes to society that would be required to address this in a non restrictive way would basically be: Fix the entire economy such that parents can afford to have time with their kids.
Mental health care availability?
Do Medicare for all first, then, maybe we can talk about that, otherwise, can’t afford it, who cares.
Youth centers?
You seen how expensive cars are, how much debt people are in for them? Who can afford to drive the kids there and back, who has the time?
Your bandaid solutions are very far from being sufficient to address what is basically the total collapse of society.
Sorry, but a whole lot of the root of this issue is parents who are utterly checked the fuck out.
Yes, exactly, and that is why these new laws restricting social media access for people under 16 will do nothing to help the situation and take away the rights of a minority group for no gain.
That is my entire point. It does not solve the problems at all. My “bandaid fixes” aren’t proposals, they are examples of things someone would do if they actually wanted to solve the problem. The fact that those options are being ignored and the only policy being installed is censorship should tell you everything you need to know about the policy. It isn’t even INTENDED to help.
I am 100% on board with the abolition of capitalism. You are arguing with someone who already agrees with you. I have been advocating for the abolition of capitalism for over ten years.
