More than half of Americans believe that Immigration and Customs Enforcement has gone “too far” in its pursuit of arresting migrants, according to a new poll.
While 54 percent said ICE has used its power too aggressively, the sentiment was even greater among Democrats at 83%, according to a poll by PBS News, NP and Marist.
Nearly half of Republicans, by contrast, said ICE’s actions are appropriate and an additional 31% said the agency had not gone far enough in enforcing Donald Trump’s mass deportation agenda.
The vast majority of Americans (80%) support the U.S. government’s deportation of migrants without permanent legal status who have been convicted of a violent crime.
17% of democrats think abducting people to death camps is totally fine.
Fuck all of them.
That’s horrifyingly low
54 percent seems low… Bad media literacy or wilful ignorance?
Both. Also the hate frenzy. Lots of people swept up in a hate frenzy
Well only 83% of Dems are critical of it. So 54% means a decent amount of Reps are critical, which is more than I would think.
Good thing the Senate just voted to give ICE 200 billion dollars
Almost four times the Marines request for the budget. Why the fuck do they need that much money!? Oh right, ggrrrrriiiiffffttt!
More than just grift… this is the new militant wing of MAGA. They’re a new branch of armed forces that operate entirely on our soil. We’ve got concentration camps opening, we’ve got a MASSIVELY funded brown-shirts, and dark tech civilian-profiling AI behind all that… This is pretty much my worst fears from last November coming to life.
I hope it turns out to be just a big embezzlement scheme like everything in the US.
It is a little bizarre those that were screaming about Obama’s death camps are now cheering on Trump’s Alligator Alcatraz. Truly propaganda, misinformation, public relations, etc. should be tightly regulated or just outright banned in order to have a functional society.
And literally no one in DC will fight to stop them. Why you ask. Cause they are all corrupt and do not give a damn about people.
its actually specific people with names and phone numbers you can call and yell at https://www.newsweek.com/75-democrats-house-antisemitism-resolution-ice-gratitude-2083177
Seems like the number is too low.
People have to remember the majority of Americans barely know wtf is going on in their own country. They aren’t high-information like the kind of people on lemmy or reddit. They have no idea how bad it is yet.
I’ve recently had a thought that direct democracy is possible.
I’ll elaborate:
Sometimes we (humans or even societies) don’t update our ideas for the new information.
Say, when I was in kindergarten, I was once sitting behind a table waiting for my mom to get me. A kindergarten teacher put a box with a puzzle in front of me. When I was leaving, I took it. It was apparently intended for another kid who had a birthday.
(I’m autistic, so I have rather early memories.)
So - I was ashamed of this for many years until I realized this was bog standard entrapment and the only thing that teacher wanted, probably, was to feel how forgiving they are and probably better than my parents.
That realization was when I revised the old idea for additional information I had as an adult.
The elaboration itself:
This can be applied to direct democracy.
It’s considered impractical to have a national vote on every issue, because big countries have more stuff to deal with using laws, and because it’s technically challenging, and because the crowd is unwise.
But! The general populace’s ideas of what is practical and what isn’t for democracies are from the times when living people would switch telephone calls.
We live in a world where you can have a national vote every day and all the facilities have been created many times, with cryptographic signatures, with highly loaded systems like those of Facebook and other social media. We can have direct non-anonymous democracy, it’s not impractical.
And also the so-called Soviet democracy (not the USSR, or rather it existed purely on paper in the USSR, except its first few years and last few years) is often considered impractical, because it can be disrupted by recalling higher council members from the lower ones, putting pressure on the lower layer councils’ electors, but I beg your pardon, in today’s world that wouldn’t be a disruption.
One could make an argument in favor of not relying upon the Internet and computers for such important institutes, but unfortunately the inverted way of using these opportunities is already embraced to effectively kill democracies.
So it’s better to think of some thoroughly resilient global system of discussion and voting over the Internet, other than discard the idea.
Even though Trump is still underwater on immigration, it’s his highest performing issue.
That is just frighteningly upsetting
The problem is that last one:
The vast majority of Americans (80%) support the U.S. government’s deportation of migrants without permanent legal status who have been convicted of a violent crime.
How far can “violent” and “conviction” be stretched in order to justify wrongful deportations?
Well, peaceful protests are considered violent. Disagreeing with Trump is considered a mental illness. And supporting Palestine is considered anti-American. Sooo, basically we’re all targets.
When you are talking about a survey, the “how far” is specific to each person. So it is a bad question. But no matter how Donny interprets it, the answer to the “have they gone too far” tells you Donnys interpretation is too far for the majority.
It seems to me that they can be stretched just shy of infinitely, because sources aren’t reliable and people aren’t paying attention. That is, when a source reports on what’s happening with as little bias and editorializing as humanly possible, it is labeled as “left bias” while the conservative news sources don’t bother talking about the problems with ICE at all. As long as that’s the case, they can basically get away with anything because their human rights abuses won’t get enough coverage or will be dismissed by enough of the population that it won’t actually have an impact.
The fuck are these 17% Democrats who are down with tax dollars paying for masked badgeless plainclothes abductions into unmarked vehicles?
welcome to the wolfman constant. always assume any polling data over ~65% is an overwhelming majority and that ~75% or more effectively indicates “everyone with a functioning brain”
then think about that 95% of black women voted against this
wolfman constant
DDG isn’t giving me any returns for this, can you ELI5?
in any given population 15% will believe they’ve encountered a wolfman. i’ll try to find you the info, but basically it’s about how when sampling data for what a collective believes you’ll always find some absolute kooks
TIL about the wolfman constant. I never had a clever name for it, but I had the “hopeless dipshit percentage” at 25 to 33%. That’s the number of people who can’t name a single branch of the US government, think Obama is a Kenyan citizen, think Sadam Hussein caused 9/11, think astrology is real science, and professed that they would support Trump literally no matter what he said or did.
Same. The moment the other person said “75% is everyone with a functioning brain,” I immediately thought of the ever present 25-35% of some population are in favor of “horrible metric”. Then just apply this to everything.
Please do, it sounds interesting
Their opinion doesn’t count, as long as the big corporations and racist lobbyists are happy, the people’s will means nothing.
The Trumpistan party doesn’t intend to be elected ever again. That’s their last attempt. They try to take the country by a coup now. They don’t intend to face any votings, ever again. That’s why they’re acting like this.
Exactly, that’s where I was trying to get to, is there a plan, general strike, mass protests to cripple the country? Or is it going to be a wimper into the goodnight…
Project 2025 had martial law as one of the final or near final steps. We’re almost there.
When all the madness started I was reminded of an 80’s movie called Red Dawn. Although this isn’t a traditional invasion, I’m quite dissapointed in Americans response so far.
That’s only when the wealthy own both parties…
They don’t control the DNC anymore, and trying to make trump do what you already paid him to do is an exercise in futility.
Shit looks bad for everyone right now, including the wealthy.
Which is why the media is pushing people to disengage from politics.
Don’t do what billionaires want you to do, it’s never in your favor.
As a non American I’m not sure how you’re going to overcome this, if the bill passes the house you’ve essentially given Trump a loyal private army given the ICE budget and it doesn’t look like anyone has the stomach to do what’s needed in opposition. Democrats are still attacking Mamdani lol, the system is beyond corrupt.
The felon king is completely unaccountable. I definitely don’t see this going well.
Democrats are still attacking Mamdani
Some elected politicians with a D by their name are.
And frankly I don’t think they’ll be in office much longer.
Like, as an American who has been paying attention since the DNC defended Bill lying about getting a BJ from an intern:
This is the most optimistic I’ve been about the Dem party except for the brief window between Obama winning the 08 election, and then him saying he wouldn’t name a DNC chair.
I can go on a big rant with details on why we should be optimistic about the party and the country if you want, but if you’re ok with recycling I can link you an old comment.
It’s fucking weird to spend this much time defending the DNC, but people need to understand the chair is the DNC. And we’ve got a really fucking good chair since February, and he is already doing shit.
Do you think there will be a midterm election given all that’s happening and the speed this administration is userping power?
Yep.
And if elections are cancelled, I think enough people move on to the next of the four boxes.
Good luck! I personally have a bad feeling but I’m not American, it looks very bad from here.
Some Inspiration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity
Americans can do it. Bring guns!
if you’re ok with recycling I can link you an old comment.
Yes please
we’ve got a really fucking good chair
I’ve seen nothing but criticism of Ken Martin
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/19/dnc-chair-ken-martin-infighting-00413409
https://lemmy.world/post/32308685/17988594
https://lemmy.world/post/32269627/17972357
https://lemmy.world/post/32114298/17920447
https://lemmy.world/post/30822622?scrollToComments=true
And from your link:
Interviews with a dozen DNC members revealed deep frustration with Martin and concern about his ability to unify and lead a party trying to recover from massive electoral losses in 2024.
There’s a lot more than a dozen DNC members who hate him…
He literally just got two super delegates from the Rules and Bylaws committee to resign…
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/dnc-union-leaders-leave/
They were literally the ones fucking with presidential primaries, and now they’re no longer part of the DNC in any capacity…
Like, if you agree that past iterations of the DNC were giant pieces of shit, how are you surprised that there’s still some DNC members from that period who are pissed they’re no longer in control?
Logically this is a good thing that some are mad at Ken and completely leaving the party.
This is what we wanted.
The issue is billionaire owned media didn’t want this, so they’re presenting it backwards.
And people are falling for it
“Longtime party insiders” whining about him is how you can tell he’s good.
They very much own the DNC. Just look at the reaction to the NYC mayor race.
Just look at the reaction to the NYC mayor race
Where?
The only thing I’ve seen is Martin told some donors that progressives can’t win every district…
Which, is obviously true
The example he used was Minnesota where one district wants Illhan Omar and another wants some shitty moderate.
But Martin is going to run national DNC like Minnesota.
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Stay out of the primary
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Support anyone with a D in the general
It’s on voters to get progressives to the general, so vote in the primary and get as many people as you can to do so as well
What do they have to do with the DNC?
Like, you understand there’s the DNC, and then every state has their own state party, then I’m pretty sure the terrorities have them too
If your point is some people with Ds by their name are pieces of shit and need to be replaced, you’re preaching to the choir director buddy.
But Martin is the DNC chair, and he hasn’t said a single bad thing about Mamdani that I’m aware of.
He"s using synecdoche, saying “DNC” when he means “the majority of prominent Democrats.” You’re speaking specifically about the actual DNC. That’s why you’re disagreeing even though you’re both right.
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They don’t control the DNC anymore
This seems more aspirational than based in reality. There are some fringes that have escaped their clutches, but establishment Democrats are still entrenched in the system.
Shit looks bad for everyone right now, including the wealthy.
You’re not thinking wealthy enough. The system works perfectly for anyone who can afford to donate $1m for a pardon or $5m for citizenship.
Which is why the media is pushing people to disengage from politics.
Money is definitely afraid of passion, because it can’t be bought.
Don’t do what billionaires want you to do, it’s never in your favor.
10/10. No notes.
Get used to it. They’re coming after natural born citizens next, and the courts will allow it. Congress will continue to do nothing.
They did do something. They passed the big beautiful bill that has funding for more ice detention centers and expansions.
3 times the budget for the Marines. Crazy
Stop complaining about it and start lining them up for curb stomping wherever you see them, you know, as a community.
Also, fuck your violence rules bullshit - nazis aren’t people, I’m basically suggesting we curb stomp a cancerous growth.
And before some of you geniuses start claiming I’m the same as them - first, go fuck yourself. Second, I hate them based on their world view - a malleable thing they are in control of. Not their race, not their hair color, not their parents country of origin.
Nazi lives do not matter, kill em when you can if you can get away with it.
Show, don’t tell.
More than fair. Working on my community organizing skills as a start.
How the hell is it only 83% of Democrats?
Doesn’t matter what the polls say, they and Donny could have -100% support and they would still arrest your ass because of a meme you posted or what ethnicity your great great great grandfather was.
America got exactly what they voted for. Dear Leader promised mass arrests, deportations, and incarceration.
Are democrats not Americans? How oddly worded.
Not if Trump gets his way
