We need to swiftly transform No Kings from a Democratic Party spectacle to a grass roots resistance movement.
So you guys WANT the republicans? It’s wild that Trump and the GOP are actively demolishing democracy and you guys still see the Dems as to e enemy. Right wing propaganda and social media rotted your entire country’s already rotted brains
they literally are the first hurdle into solving the republican problem.
and while i do appreciate that they are FINALLY doing something i can point to and say it’s a good start (holding fast to their demands on the shut down) they otherwise hold the rest of us back. they need to stop harming the chances of progressive candidates in their own party, stop sueing to block passed ballot initiative for progressive action. stop their actions to help their corporate doaners, and actually pass progressive laws
Look, the most third party senators the USA has ever had was 11 in 1899. Even when the parties dissolved or rearranged it was always Demcoratic Republicans v Federalists, Jacksonians v AntiJacksonions, Democrats v Whigs, Democrats v Opposition, Democrats v Republicans.
Last congress there were 4 Independents and it lead to Republicans sweeping the 2024 election.
This is a two party system. One of them wants a King and the other does not. Democrats are the only way to progress. The only way. Singular.
Get Republicans out, then fix the damn system by changing the voting system so you guys can finally have more than 2 parties
your ask is cyclical
Isnt no kings specifically to under mine trump so democrats and retake power and the country doesn’t keep imploding? Why would you remove the political party from it, makes no sense.
There is a non-negligeable number of people convinced that all of the Democrat Platform are policies they don’t stand for. They think Obamacare was just Romneycare. Ideological puritans who would rather everyone abstain from participating elections than pick harm minimalization option.
This ideology gets furtherd and promoted by foreign psyops who frequently post on DB0 and Lemmy ML, much in the same vein that Russian operations promoted Bernie Sanders on FaceBook after he had already lost the primary and asked people to vote for Hillary in the general.
Basically everything is burning and some people think adding fuel is better than water.
That would be a good argument if the Democrats hadn’t paved the way for Trump. We need new politics and new systems.
The only people who paved the way for trump were the people who didnt vote against trump and the right wing media machine. There is no looking at the two platforms and think its a hard choice. If your values lean left the choice is easy.
Yes, democrats are being pussies. More action less strong letters
They shut down the government for you, asshole. That is literally the full extent of their power with a pitiful 45:53 ratio in the senate.
Yep, what is it they say: stronger divided than united? Makes total sense.
The biggest issue with No King’s, at least out of my perspective is that it is only centered around Trump and his cronies, and doesn’t actually target the system that keeps churning out people like Trump, produces them and puts them into power. Americans believe that Trump happened to them like a natural disaster would, and that they were sadly just ill prepared. They fail to see and correctly point out that the system thrives on people like Trump and actively pursues putting them into positions of power. Until that isn’t addressed, these protests will bring about no material change.
P.2025 has been decades in the making. They have been systemically cutting funding for education for as long as I’ve been alive. Add in social media and it’s manufactured division, it has been a perfect shit storm for a takeover.
Note, I’m agreeing with you and adding a thought here. I’ve always figured it would need to get ugly if any meaningful change were to happen, how ugly does it need to get? This is the only question I have now.
At my No King’s, a politician made their request for us to vote for them. I will consider it, as they dared to be amongst the plebian rabble, rather than the ivory halls of the bluebloods.
Look at their actions and their voting record. Have they voted against human rights for minority groups? Have they supported Citizen’s United? Have they contributed to our current surveillance state? Have they supported genocide? Have they beat around bush regarding healthcare as a human right?
If so, kick them to the curb.
In favor of a Republican?
LOL what? I was at both and this take on it is dumb. It is very grass roots. I saw American flags, both right side up and upside down, Mexican flags, Palestinian flags, LGBTQ flags, and more. No Democratic party flags. Yes, frogs, axolotls, spongebobs and Santa’s. You know, democracy.
I’m glad it didn’t happen where you live. But you’re saying this “take is dumb” because you didn’t experience it at two out of thousands of protests, which is like saying, “since it didn’t happen to me, it didn’t happen.”
I saw the democratic establishment propaganda at my local protest. That’s not to say that the protests are bad, but having a party that’s right of center glob onto what is essentially a populist movement and use it as a campaign rally is kind of disheartening.
We need to be voting for actual leftists. Whether they run as a democrat, a green, or an independent.
same, Saw no democrats in there, no stalls, no flags, nothing. the local DSA was there though canvassing for free healthcare and other common sense policies.
I’ve found out about them during the first no kings
Nice! It seems like these events might a good place for smaller parties to make their presence known to people. Maybe even get some new ones going!
Yes, my DSA is growing thanks to NoKings.
no doubt the us is fed up with Democrats, even though republicans is the main evil, the uselessness of corporate owned political parties is pissing everyone.
Yep. From my experience of them I think people are really just looking for some new options.
I legit didn’t know there was a Dem flag. Is it just a flag with a donkey?
Also. This post is definitely propaganda b.s
Man you guys are trying really hard to delegeitimize this thing before it gets going. I just read MAGA had started posting to BlueSky. Guess they’re already here in Lemmy too…
Oh look, more disinformation and division mongering.
And its posted by a dbzer0. Of course.
I saw nothing whatever to do with the Democratic party at any of the protests I went to.
I did.
I went to a No Kings protest with a couple thousand people. It didn’t seem partisan in the least to me. I saw 0 signs supporting any politician. All I saw was anti fascist and anti oligarchical messaging.
They all think fascism only comes from the red side
You got examples of fascists on the left, other than the tankies over on lemmy.ml and lemmygrad? Do you even know what fascism means?
Well, for starters, there are no fascists on the left, because Democrats are not left. Democrats are right wing blue fascists. Their ratchet effect, which keeps ratcheting the entire country to the right, along with the Overton Window creates the circumstances for Republicans to go further to the right as well as the politics of the entire country. Enabling fascism does as much damage as those that are blatantly fascist.
There are red fash, we often call them tankies for short.
The ratchet effect is a thought-terminating cliche used by people with limited understanding of politics or the real world.
And for liberals that refuse to acknowledge that they have become right-wing reactionaries. They keep their head in the sand so that they don’t have to see that they’re becoming the things that they claim to hate
The ratchet effect is a thought-terminating cliche used by liberals that refuse to acknowledge that they have become right-wing reactionaries?
I believe that The No Kings Movement has three fundamental tasks – 1) to assure that the Democratic Party does not gain control of the coalition, 2) to expand the coalition to include those without an institutional voice (the poor, the unhoused, the unregistered and non-voters, and most importantly, the millions of undocumented US residents at risk for MAGA’s genocidal zeal). The third task is the most difficult and subsumes the goal of limiting the influence of the Democratic Party. 3) The No Kings Day project must take the critical jump from protest to civil disobedience.
Nice to see they remembered that MAGA is a part of the problem.
I’m not a big fan of the Democratic party, but I wouldn’t put stopping them as the number one goal.
Article has a point. No kings should embrace local activists who are actually doing things on the ground rather than the corporate politicians who got us in this mess in the first place.
Also be nice to see it turn into kind of a grassroots movement rather than acting as a relief valve for political action.
In the town I was in, there was no notable aspect of Democratic politics whatsoever. Where are you getting that No Kings is tied to the Democratic party?
Where are you getting that No Kings is tied to the Democratic party?
It’s the kind of conclusion a person comes to if they only think in binary terms.
They can’t imagine being agaist one political party as being anything other than directly supporting that party’s opponent.
If you aren’t leveraging this to get political power back from Republicans then there is no point in the protest. Its not a revolution, its to drum up anti trump sentiment then directed into the mid terms to remove republicans from power.
Yeah my governor gave a speech and he is a democrat and hes great. We got a scrappy young women running this year. I welcome everyone who wants to stop the violation of our constitution and laws by the executive. IE anyone against this attempted facist takeover.
I am sure the governer of your state could find other venues to campaign.
I think it would be infinitely more helpful to let the people on the ground (volunteers and activists that are feeding people and providing other services to those in need while our government flounders) address the people and really humanize the issues while presenting solutions isolated from government shenanigans. We can all help out and do more than working with the DNC and its only solution of electoralism.
I mean if you mean the way washington compaigned for president in the revolutionary war. Our state is being invaded and he is doing a good job. Regardless he was not the only one to speak and the majority were activists from the various group that worked to get the event going.
The Communist Party USA had a table with brochures at the event, but no CPUSA representative addressed the crowds
the commies will come and ruin this lovely consensus to the benefit of their authoritarian chums
Lmao, what? This is a really dumb take and sounds like a desperate maga, tbh. They didn’t like hearing speeches from dems. Just go for a walk with the rest of the protestors.
It’s just the new ML plan. Haven’t you noticed how they all criticize the dems—but never Trump? Have you ever heard one of them criticize Trump in regard to Gaza? Have you ever heard them criticize any right wing American? I can’t recall that happening.
ML love MAGA.
Honestly this 100% rings true in my experience ^
When we do criticize Republicans liberals think we are one of them.
Give me an example of how you would criticize a republican in a way that would make me think you’re a republican.
I expect you do give a non-answer, change the topic, and make person insults. Will I be right?
That’s not what I said, I said. When liberals hear leftists, socialist and communists criticizing Republican, you assume that we are one of you and simply agree. So you think you’re only hearing us criticize one side, Democrats, because that’s the only ones you’re listening to.
I don’t know about anybody else but when I hear you talking I know it’s just to crush the west at any cost, and nothing you say can truly be trusted.
Paranoid much?
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The Democrats are a rich people party too. They’re not your friends, they’re just the lesser evil.
Right now, they’re not nazis. That’s all I care about. We need anyone against nazis on our side. No one should be dividing anyone up, unless you’re dividing the nazi regime.
The article here doesn’t look to me to be advocating dividing people up, but rather making sure the movement is not controlled by the Democrats. Democrats should be part of it, not in charge of it.
I understand where you are coming from and agree with the sentiment, but at the end of the day either they need to form a party and quickly, as if it isn’t all together by August 2026 it has no hope of doing anything if there actually are fair & free elections some how, or they all have to vote out Democrats they don’t like and vote in new ones who fit their views better using the already established democrat committees.
States like Florida require you to have at least 1% vote in the last election and a committee with 50 board members set up and in place with the rules of how you would perform your primary and what not. Which is why they would have to establish it all and have it in place and ultimately surrender the Governor seat of Florida to the Republicans in the 2026 election to ensure they could exist on the ballot in 2028 for a presidential candidate. So it’s either organize quickly, or just rework what’s there.
No Kings is apolitical except for the idea that autocracy/royalty is un-American. As soon as you put it into a political box it will alienate a bunch of people.
you are the one dividing people up, duh
The Dems is 2025 are the same Dems that voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976.
Meanwhile, the GOP is ready to hang Ronald Reagan as a woke Liberal.
The Dems in 2025 are the people who lost the presidency to the most incompetent man in the world. Twice. I do not think it’s smart to trust them to be the stewards of what seems to be shaping up to be the primary resistance movement.
As much as I hate the liberal purity test culture, you’ve hit the nail on the head. As much as the movement should use any and all available allies, people really shouldn’t forget this point when the smoke settles
I only see right wingers demanding support for policy that is both immoral and electorally dumb complaining about “liberal purity tests”.
You sure about that? It seems like you’re doing exactly that
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It would help if you got more specific; name the policy in question.
Most recent complaint about purity tests and circular firing squads I’ve seen was over the purity test of not being a warcriminal with a totemkomf tattood on your chest. Before that it was trying to silence anyone trying to stop the dems from choosing wildly unpopular policy, that ultimately got Trump elected.
Dems in 2025 are first term trump Republicans.
there’s the targeted message of the month!
There is no lesser evil, only evil.
Stupid is as stupid does
Liberal acceptance of a lesser evil allows a slightly larger evil with each increment has led to someone to the likes of trump occupying the White House. Your less evil has resulted in incremental fascism
That is so fucking stupid.
A lesser evil can also lead to less evil incrementally as progress is made. What you’re arguing for is to say that people should take a lesser evil and then take EVEN LESS evil than that. Your insistence on perfection will kill people.
I get that you want to be sanctimonious, but saving one person now is better than saving two people tomorrow, because it has the potential to also save two people tomorrow.
Watch as I use your same logic against you: Your no evil strategy resulted in Trump, and those Palestinians are grateful that you exterminated them faster. Nice going!
See how stupid that is?
There has been no progress made. The only difference is Democrats keep shifting to the right with Republicans. In case you don’t know turning into first-term Trump Republicans is not progress
Cool, you didn’t listen. You are the average ML. You should feel proud to add this to your list of accomplishments.
We need rich people to fund the rebellion! Duh.
I only read the first paragraph. It sounded incredibly disingenuous. These rallies are impactful because of the turnout.
Without the democratic organization, it would not be remotely as impactful. Think that is exactly what the author of this article wants.
Also the difference between a democratic backed Indivisible group vs decentralized 50501. Indivisible brings a lot more people to protest.
I’ve never even heard of 50501. So that’s exactly what they want.
Anybody who share the same noble values should be allowed
