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the fucked up thing here is how did they find his reddit account? That post was years ago and he didnt even use some stupid username like “RealGrahamPlatner”. Makes you wonder if those reddit post removal tool work at all…
So is he a goodie or a baddie. TELL ME WHAT TO THINK
People latching onto this like it’s some huge dealbreaker or a story about someone traitorous to progressive politics, you are probably the same people worked up about Hasan’s dog. You guys NEED to take up reading actual novels with stories. Divert your emotional investment to actual stories you are allowed to get caught up in. It feels good, I recommend it highly.
You are all as bad as the right. I fucking swear, if this story bothers you, you are not well and you need to either touch grass or touch books. Just let this bullshit go. We have such bigger problems.
The right is going to elect actual nazis with nazi histories and nazi ideology to go with whatever symbols they have hidden away, and they’re going to ignore every candidate on their side who has pictures surfacing of them wearing drag or having progressive takes in the past. They don’t care. They want to win. Do you want to win?
I am quite convinced the old meme that the left hates victory and wants to lose is real. It’s the exact same phenomenon as how conservative MAGAts want “daddy to choke them” but the left wants to be choked by institutions and politics broadly. I’ve never seen a political movement so intent on losing.
I hope you all get the perfect candidate so you can talk about how great he is while you’re getting loading into train cars.
People latching onto this like it’s some huge dealbreaker or a story about someone traitorous to progressive politics, you are probably the same people worked up about Hasan’s dog.
What? These two things are not at all the same.
Platner seeks a position of power and the mere existence of a nazi tattoo shows questionable judgement at best and nazi sympathies at worst.
Its a pretty tame position to take in not wanting a politician with ANY connection to nazis
Are you saying he didn’t serve in the military?
Or are you saying he did apologize for spreading capitalism with the sword of US imperialism?
Reading through Platner’s many hundreds of anonymous comments, it’s hard to paint him as a secret white supremacist or far-right extremist of any kind. In fact, his posts more or less align with the persona he has presented to voters in the two months since he launched his campaign: a rough-around-the-edges military veteran and oyster farmer with a penchant for crude language and a passion for firearms and sustainable living who holds a variety of standard progressive views alongside some heterodox ones.
I smelled a hatchet job.
Is it from the republicans or liberal dems?
Maga. Israel. The usual. Possibly the Dem party. They really don’t like these new unbought Dems coming in and making them look bad.
Cuomo is literally a sex abuser and establishment democrats can’t get enough of him.
Jeffries should be ashamed it took him this long to endorse Mamdami. But good to know he’s a traitor to his supporters.
Cuomo is literally a sex abuser and establishment democrats can’t get enough of him.
It’s not that they like Cuomo. It’s that they hate Mamdani because he represents an actual threat to the wealth of their friends. They just have to cling to Cuomo because he’s the only way they can fight Mamdani; stumping for the Republican instead will get them in trouble and give the game away.
I don’t care if it sounds incredibly naive, but getting money out of politics would make life better for everyone who deserves it.
People would become politicians because they genuinely have passion to fix things for the people.
Australia just banned corporate pac money. We should too.
Feels like Biden in the 2020 primaries. The centrists didn’t love him, he was an elderly gaffe machine (with scandals way worse than anything with Platner), but after trying and failing to make literally my every other moderate take off and the likely alternative was Bernie, they took what was available.
They’d love someone who wasn’t scandal plagued, but their other options all suck too, so I guess it’s all-in on the corrupt sex pest.
Hey, that reminds me: Once we survive the current crisis and move the Democrats somewhere in the vicinity of a left-wing party or replace them, let’s primary the fuck out of Debbie Wasserman Schultz. I’m sort of irritated that she still has a job.
It’s really wild how some people still keep existing in the party. Like why the fuck does Rahm Emmanuel’s name keep coming up in serious political conversation? And Henry Cuellar is still a sitting congressman with apparently most of the House leadership ready to answer his calls. Popular imagination generally paints party leadership as a bunch of cut throat sociopaths, but it really feels like if you’ve made the right friends you can just never go away.
I mean, they are very bad people. Like almost all of them.
A friend of a friend of mine worked in government (for a Democrat as it turns out), and she said that they’re way worse than you think. Just on a personal level these horrifying caricatures of what a human should be, makes you want to take a shower after interacting with them type of thing. I don’t think it’s universally that way; I do think there are some people in Washington who are trying to do the right thing, but I cannot imagine that you can exist in an environment that corrupt and not have it do some level of damage to you (and drive away the people who are not cool with that level of evil). And the people who are comfortable successful creatures within that environment I think are pretty universally bad.
There is also this upsetting factor that I think a lot of the American voting populace are fine with that. Like I feel like if you tried to primary DWS by painting her as the objective monster that she is and what she did to the country, people would be fine with it and you’d go down in flames. Maybe things are changing now as the young progressives furious about their situation are getting involved in politics, but I think all of the old guard is unapologetically horrible and that’s not likely to change for as long as they are the old guard.
Yeah a very strong sign of how corrupt the Dems in office are.
Kinda like they all take money from the same people…
I mean, it’s from “the bad people.” There are plenty of “the bad people” in both the Republican and Democratic party, and also a lot of them outside of the US trying to influence the US election at this point. They are, broadly speaking, all in allegiance with each other. They periodically switch parties (from Dem -> Repub) when things get too unbearable on one side of the aisle, they periodically impersonate progressives to get elected (Sinema). Kicking them out of Washington is one of the most critical reforms that must be undertaken even if we manage to survive the present crisis. Unfortunately, it’s not that easy.
To me, the fact that they are swinging so hard against Platner is the strongest indication I have seen so far that he is the real deal.
I think for many people getting a tattoo is a huge deal and we would never allow our skin to be marked without out a lot of forethought.
But I think there is a good chunk of the population that doesn’t think about it and don’t see it as a big deal. I think a lot of these people are concentrated in the military, the lack of forethought is increased when you are in a job that may well see you killed soon.
I’d like to see him reaching out to new and old military members to educate them on the meaning he apparently didn’t know about and pushing them to remove it.
Someone with some art skills should come up with a suitably cool modification tattoo that neutralises the nazi aspect and but still lets these guys support and identify with battle mates.
It’s not their fault the nazis happens co opt heaps of cool symbols and I don’t blame some 22 year old jar head for not knowing history (they should but the US education system has a lot to answer for).
If you give people an easy way out that lets them save face you’ll only be left with the actual racists.
Even if you know history, this is a fairly obscure symbol. I would bet there’s a lot of people who know a lot about WWII and still wouldn’t recognize it. For one, I don’t think I would. I may have an “I’ve seen this symbol before…” moment, but I don’t think I’d place it correctly on the spot.
I mean my contention isn’t that he didn’t know what it was, it’s that you gotta be kidding me that he didn’t learn what it was in the 20 years since. I don’t give a shit about his reddit history; if anything its just kinda affable to me. Hell, I’d be willing to even take the tattoo at “I learned what it was at a really dark time in my life, and I just haven’t confronted the tattoo itself, even if I conquered the ideologies that led to both its creation and its application to my body.” Like obviously military service is its own alt-right pipeline. But like, bro, you got the super non-pirate skull and crossbones across your tit, bro, what are you doing?
Like I’m not even saying don’t vote for him, deadass I’d still take his dumb ass over some Zionist shill 8 days a week. But, can nobody just call a spade a spade?
To be fair, just look at all the people who have Chinese words written on them that say something that they weren’t trying to say. How many of those people have had those tattoos for many years without ever learning that they were incorrect or fixing them?
I wouldn’t go this route personally, but I know enough about tattoos to say with a high degree of confidence that many people just pick something out of the books on the day of the walk-in because they think it looks cool. I could totally believe this guy and his marine buddies said “that’s a cool skull, let’s get that”.
It’s like, how many people have Punisher stickers or t-shirts but have never read a comic book in their lives? Probably most of them…
Yeah, that is generally referred to as “flash”. The catalogue of stencils that an artist has on hand for walk ins and the like. And considering this was apparently some hole in the wall in Croatia (unclear if it was when he was in the military or at Blackwater), there is a good chance that entire catalogue was full of nazi shit and this had the least amount of swastikas.
But you, and many others, are fixated on him getting it. Which… it raises questions on his judgment, but people do stupid shit all the time. The issue is more the having kept it for 20 years while being terminally online (almost impossible to have not seen the Mitchell and Webb “are we the baddies” meme that is literally about totenkapfs) and being a self proclaimed military history buff. And then 5 years ago having talked about “punisher skulls” in association with, gasp, SS totenkapfs.
No true Scotsman faults the guy for making a mistake 20 years ago. We very much fault him for not having rectified it at all in the two decades since.
It’s wild of you to say I’m “fixated” on anything, considering this is the first time I’ve even commented on this story.
To be fair, just look at all the people who have Chinese words written on them that say something that they weren’t trying to say.
To be perfectly honest, I would never vote for a politician with an un-researched Chinese tattoo, either. It means they’re very stupid or, at best, simply don’t think about consequences.
simply don’t think about consequences.
The “consequences” of a tattoo, on your own skin? No one gets a tattoo for someone else. Unless you are just anti-tattoo, I don’t think anyone should give a fuck about the “consequences” of a tattoo.
If you’re walking around with the word “STIR-FRY NOODLES” on your arm you are not someone who I trust to make laws.
that seems unlikely, considering i’d never heard of the man before this
He’s the one with the big Nazi tattoo
Well, for the terminally online, the knee has already jerked. And in their defense, once bit, twice shy.
That being said, the number of terminally online Mainers for whom the oppo was a deal breaker probably can fit in a swimming pool.
And there are two things happening at once in this story. One is, the primary thread of the oppo; Platner did post those things, Platner did have a tattoo.
The second thing is the oppo release, its source, Mills, Schumer, and the act of Mainers being told who to like and whom to vote for. And at least in last weeks polling this seemed to be the case. So who does the oppo work on? Early polling seems to be showing that the timing of Mills announcement and the research being release/ coming from some of the least popular standing groups (specifically, corporate Democrats).
So it looks like the oppo was supposed to work on the more progressive types (and clearly, has been, I mean, look around), and that while thats been effective, Mainers dont care/ dont like being told who to like. This oppo dump may actually end up working against those who sourced it (corporate Dems). We need the polling pudding to thicken up a bit, but should know more when polling comes out this week (weds/ thurs/ fri).
Just as a context for people like myself that want to get their own look onto the tattoo situation. I cant find any less blurry pictures, but the shape matches quite well. He already got it covered up now, so no way to check.
This is an Nazi SS Totenkopf badge:
This is the tattoo:
The resemblance could be coincidence, maybe the artist who drew the flash knew what it was, but if you walk into a tattoo shop and want a skull and cross bones you could pick this off the wall.
I didn’t know about the totenkopf until this news broke. If I’d seen that before I’d have thought it was just another death’s head or pirate’s Jolly Roger.*A socialist work place and hating cops might align with a pirate’s ideals.
Yeah that’s a totenkopf. Fuckin nazi
I also didn’t know about the Nazi connection, it looks like something a biker would have, which should have been a red flag to the imagery I guess, but it looks like a kind of standard skull to me otherwise.
I have a raised eyebrow on Platner. He seems genuine. A couple of odd details admittedly. But unless he’s some kind of psyop candidate, he seems fine enough. I do wish his cover up for a Nazi symbol was much further away from the accusation than Celtic symbols.
Here’s his new one. From here.
The Platner thing is interesting, I wanted him to succeed, I liked what he was saying but the totenkopf is too far.
I am far more concerned with the people who have pride in their stupid decisions and don’t own up to it and make changes.
The problem with those people, is you never learn about the secrets they are hiding. I mean, do you know the alternatives in that race? Are you better with a Trump sycophant? We will never get some superman ideal candidate, and people who are assuming that this thing makes him a nazi are incredibly ignorant about what it means to serve and how service people interact with the world. I just can’t get worked up over it unless he had some fascist history to go along with it.
His messaging was generally good. Mostly appeals to emotion but what little policy he had generally sounded like a step in the right direction.
But he also has no political background whatsoever and little to no activism/charitable footprint. All he ever was was “what he was saying” and… Fetterman got elected on a progressive platform and trump STILL talks about draining the swamp and stopping the Washington elites.
Nobody is saying we should only elect establishment politicians. But actually having a track record goes a long way whether that is in lower office or just a long, documented, history of activism.
Also, Smith-Rodriguez pulled out late last week (?) and is also a military veteran (no Blackwater tour though…) who had a VERY demsoc platform with actual plans and details. But she is a she and was driven out and, last I saw, endorsed Mills (?) because she was a victim of sexual assault during her time in the military and can’t support someone like platner (even before totenkampf-gate…).
Because… it fucking sucks when the person you Believed in sucks. But that is why you pay attention and learn and adjust.
I mean… why? It could’ve been a swastika and it would mean nothing if he wasn’t a Nazi, which we have no reason to believe it is given his Reddit history. Hell, morally there was no obligation for him to cover the tattoo after knowing what it was, because symbols don’t have moral value.
Why are people so fucking stupid? Idiots who probably didn’t even know what a totenkopf was a week ago are now like “OMG secret Nazi 😱.”
Our attention-span economy overrides actual politics and action.
And with that the only chance to flip Maine is gone.
I am greatly enjoying in real time the mass migration of a certain population of Lemmy commentators from:
How DARE this evil Nazi man have this Nazi tattoo! Well I for one, will never vote for him.
To, three days later:
How DARE the establishment Democrats try to smear this honorable progressive by pretending he has a Nazi tattoo! Well I for one, will never vote for them.
(Yes, I know, different elements of the same population can have contrasting views. I get it. At the same time… where were all you guys who are now convinced this is is all a Democratic hit job, three days ago when we were trying to defend this good man from this particular Democratic hit job? Thought you cared about truth in politics.)
I didn’t have enough reliable data to make an informed decision so I kept my mouth shut.
I still don’t believe I have enough reliable data. Which is kinda the point with stuff like this, isn’t it? The disinformation wars are ongoing and unceasing.
The only time I can think of that we’ve ever been “duped” by taking someone at their word for what kind of candidate and person they are might have been Fetterman, but that was a real outlier situation, the dude suffered brain damage.
I seriously care a lot more about outcomes than performance, I don’t care what someone’s past or problems are if they’re going to do a good job, likewise, I don’t care if you’re the best, most shining beacon of progressive values in the world if you’re not going to do the politics I want to see. So I have mostly tuned out media when making decisions and just listen to candidates and look at their history. Full stop. We all have to stop clicking on stories that engage with our narrative-driven brains.
This whole Graham thing comes down to a single issue for me. Did he have a nazi tattoo? If yes, and it does appear to be a yes, then id never support him. No nazis or nazi sympathizers. Thats a hard line for me.
He could apologize. And not just for the tattoo, but also for being in the military.
I haven’t read a statement like this…
Even if he apologizes Id still never vote for him.
The right doesn’t eject their own when pictures surface of them wearing drag. They unify towards a narrative even if their members aren’t picture perfect representations of the values they pretend to hold.
I can’t make political decisions on someone’s blurry tattoo that they own up to and have covered but are also people trying to do the right thing. It’s ridiculous and it’s why the left loses elections and why we’re going to be overrun with ACTUAL fucking nazis… I mean more so.
The right elects rapists, they arent the golden standard we should hold ourselves to.
And this isnt a blurry tattoo. Hes admitted the tattoo hasnt he?
Look Im not saying to arrest the guy or deport him or anything drastic. He just shouldnt be in the running for a govt position. A nazi tattoo, intentional or not, disqualifies him. Its that easy. Any way you cut it getting such a tattoo should mean he cant hold a govt position.
Why is this so easy for some people to sweep under the rug?
they arent the golden standard we should hold ourselves to.
Fuck off, I am talking about effective politics. I don’t need to read the rest if you start that bad-faith.
You started by invoking what the right does, not me. And you are talking about “the right doesnt care if their candidates are perfect”
Well neither do I. But a nazi tattoo is a line too far. No nazis, accidental or otherwise.
You want to lose, that’s fine, I get it. Many people thrive better emotionally if they’re on the losing side.
I just wont support nazis or morons. If we cant win without either of those then we dont deserve to ‘win’
Intent matters. Did he knowingly choose a Nazi tattoo? All of the evidence suggests he did not, and that as soon as he found out it was associated with Nazis he immediately took action to get rid of it.
To add, the election Platner is running in has their primaries in June 2026, general in November 2026.
Platner has A LOT of work to do between now and then to prove what kind of person he is and what ideas he has, but he also has A LOT of time to do it.
I understand anyone’s hesitation in supporting him. It’s a reasonable view. Platner may never recover from this. Maybe he can. Platner is going to need to work hard to overcome this. Other candidates may be better.
Nah he’s not stupid.
He covered it up with what again? Anything else that can be linked to white supremacy, maybe?
Hrm
Care to enlighten us!?
Performative outrage for Lefty Points, which can be redeemed for social credit and smug expressions while we’re all being herded into train cars.
What are you even talking about? You implied the cover tattoo is just as Naziesque, I am asking you to explain that.
Edit:oops
Different person
I am not the person you replied to
Even if, as he claims, he didnt know it was a nazi symbol then that means hes a moron. Being simply unaware is excusable, not everyone can know everything, but getting it as a tattoo without knowing?! That means he either was/is a nazi or is/was a massive moron. Either option disqualifies him in my eyes.
Now I dont live in Maine so it doesnt matter politically. But if I did I wouldnt be voting for him
Marines getting dumb ass tattoos while drunk in a foreign country is a story as old as time. He definitely used to be a moron, getting a tattoo under those circumstances was obviously a terrible decision.
It really doesnt matter how or why he got it unless it was against his will. Id never vote for a politician that has or had a nazi tattoo. Its just a hard stop.
What the fuck? Do you know every hate symbol and slur in the world? Why would you expect your average person to casually know this sort of thing? Not knowing obscure Nazi symbols doesn’t make one a “moron;” I for one have much better things to do than learning how fascism group#3011 decided to tell everyone they hate Jews.
In his defense, I also didn’t know what a totenkopf was before all this drama.
However, not in his defense, I don’t have one fucking tattooed on my body.
In his defense, I also didn’t know what a totenkopf was before all this drama.
Exactly that’s my point.
However, not in his defense, I don’t have one fucking tattooed on my body.
K? I’m not sure what your point here is.
If you get a tattoo and dont know what it is then you are a moron. If that tattoo turns out to be a nazi symbol then you are a giant moron. Both of these disqualify you, in my mind, from being an elected leader in any sense.
Its not a hard concept to grasp here. Leaders should not be morons and the should absolutely not be nazis
If you get a tattoo and dont know what it is then you are a moron.
Uh… it’s a skull and crossbones? Nazis didn’t invwnt those.
it wasnt just a skull and crossbones though
Sure, but if you saw it not knowing it’s not just a skull and crossbones, you’ll only think “oh, skull and crossbones.” No amount of knowledge will protect you from this kind of false positive, because you can’t know what you don’t know.
I will say this.
A LOT of people in the military just get their “unit tattoo” or whatever without any thought. In large part because the people who tend to be the hardest on that are the psychopaths who get off on murder and might think it is a funny joke to rape you in your sleep (as a joke). Captain Roman Salute isn’t wrong about that: There are a LOT of black guys and hispanic dudes who end up with SS skulls and lightning bolts all over their body by the time they get out.
And most of the people who have those, upon being told “… is that a god damned SS skull?” IMMEDIATELY have a panic attack and go get it removed or covered up.
Which is where Skorzeny Of The Blackwater is, at best, a complete and total moron. In the 15 years after getting it, not a single person who saw it ever said “da fuq?”. And he, as a self proclaimed military history buff, never drew any connections with some of “the most elite troops of World War 2”. And then, when he explained why people have “punisher skulls” in a thread about SS soldiers with totenkopfs, he STILL never drew the connection to the thing that is on his body staring at him every time he showers and kept it for the next 5 years.
Pretty much all inclusive ors:
- He is a complete and utter moron and is not fit for office
- He is a neonazi who just mostly stuck to dog whistles rather than replying to Always Sunny meme posts with “sieg heil! THE FOURTH REICH SHALL LIVE!!!”
- Every sexual partner and person he hung out with at the beach or pool or while he was stripped to his underpants in a bar has no issue with nazi imagery: Which speaks poorly of him
- He thinks The American People are dumb enough to believe his blatant lies… okay, that might actually be a statement in favor of his judgement but… yeah
But hey. The Left needed their own “it is not a nazi salute. Elon was just giving a roman salute” moment. And you can never have too many Fettermans running cover for the centrists who don’t actually want to support a progressive policy.
How does getting a tattoo and not promptly removing it make him a Nazi sympathizer? This is a non-sequitur.
Well either he didnt know what the symbol meant, which makes him a moron, or he did and that makes him a nazi (or if im being generous, a sympathizer). EITHER scenario disqualifies him in my mind. I dont want a moron representing me and I definitely dont want a nazi in govt.
Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?
Well either he didnt know what the symbol meant, which makes him a moron,
Yeah you keep saying that but that doesn’t make it true. Ignorance, especially of obscure knowledge, does not equal stupidity. Also you’re talking as if establishment dems on the other hand aren’t tautologically morons.
It is a true opinion of mine lmao. Anyone getting a tattoo without looking into the symbol is a moron lol. Its a permanent mark on your body, and anyone willing to get one without doing a little due diligence is dumb. Its not the end of the world but it absolutely disqualifies you from my support in any govt position.
I cant believe so many people are coming out of the weeds to defend this. If it was just some dude not seeking a position of power then itd be whatever, but this guy wants to be in charge of stuff but has already shown massively questionable judgement,
He didn’t get a Nazi tattoo. He got a skull and crossbones tattoo. Does it look a bit like the Nazi version? Sure. But the Nazis just took a form for it that had been used for centuries.
It wasn’t a damn swastika. It was a military tattoo of the kind no way specific to Nazis. And you’re surprised a damn marine gets a tattoo that evokes centuries of military tradition?
Would you refuse to vote for someone that was a vegetarian? Because vegetarianism is a “Nazi diet” in the same way this is a “Nazi tattoo.” Hitler was vegetarian at the end of his life.
In fairness, it is very precisely and exactly the Nazi rendering of the death’s head from the SS uniforms. I don’t think it’s a “Nazi tattoo” any more than some Hindu temples with backwards swastikas on them are now retroactively covered in “Nazi symbols.” I completely believe his explanation, among other reasons because some of his private communication has been exposed and literally 0% of it is Nazi and a lot of it is violently anti-Nazi. But their argument that it’s a Nazi symbol is technically accurate, I think.
It is close to the form used by the Nazis, but that exact form was used by many people other than the Nazis. The Nazis were not the only ones to use this variant of a death’s head. That’s why it’s not a Nazi symbol or a Nazi tattoo. To be so, it would have to be a symbol almost exclusively used by the Nazis, or of a form associated always universally with the Nazis. A swastika would be a Nazi symbol, as everyone knows that it’s primarily a Nazi symbol, even though the swastika has roots preceding the Nazis. But the death’s head? Before this, if you asked the average person what the symbol meant, very few people say it’s an SS symbol. Some history buffs might. But in the eyes of the people, very few would call it a Nazi symbol.
I mean, yeah, I agree with pretty much all of that. And it’s obviously a little bit of a success for the bullshit brigade that we’re even talking about this question instead of the question “Is Graham Platner a Nazi?” to which the answer is resoundingly no.
I am honestly pretty surprised by how vigorously they are active in this comments thread. I kind of knew they felt strongly about it… it’s also notable to me how the people swearing that it’s a Nazi symbol and he’s a Nazi for wearing it, are not arguing with the people swearing that it’s not a Nazi symbol and it’s all a Democratic plot to paint him as a Nazi but it’s all lies. They’re arguing, but not with each other.
Not only had one for 20 years. Confirmed he understood that it was an SS tattoo 5 years ago (in the reddit posts that jacobin dot com clearly read) and continued to have it and lie about up until AFTER he came out of nowhere a few months back to run for Senate.
But apparently “Woman who laughs” is unacceptable. But “blackwater merc with a nazi tattoo” is the great hope of all
WhiteLeftists. Who would have thought that trump and musk going mask off meant the Left would too.Okay, anyone who isn’t a white cishet male would. But we try to not think about it.
Ah well. We’re massively fucked but at least I can get a chuckle out of all the idiots insisting he is anti-establishment as so many of the establishment Democrats are glazing the fuck out of this man. Basically the same “He’s gonna fight the deep state” that we keep hearing about trump.
Democrats are glazing the fuck out of this man
I think we’ve really lost the plot if we think effective politics and supporting someone for having effective politics is “glazing.”
The left is a thousand times more critical of their candidates than the right will ever be. We’ve had pictures of nearly every powerful Republican surface wearing drag or changing positions from things they now consider woke and evil and toxic, and this is why they are winning and going to overrun our land with ACTUAL fucking nazis. I don’t get how pearl-clutchy this generation of so-called progressives are. It’s entirely performative.
Confirmed he understood that it was an SS tattoo 5 years ago (in the reddit posts that jacobin dot com clearly read)
Which post?
Reproducing from a previous comment
In the thread in question
- Person A: The totenkopf on the dude first on the left is a good clue.
- Person B: has literal human skulls on uniform (…)
- Person C: Many soldiers still use the skull as an emblem (see the Punisher skull for the SEALs) or regiment emblems all around the world. It’s a way of making others fear them and all. (…)
- Person D: (…) Punisher is a kind of unofficial emblem and it’s more something some individuals do. I’ve seen it more on civvy and moto stuff than on actual servicemen.
And, reproduced without edits, Lil Skorzeny himself
When I was in Ramadi in ‘06 as a Marine grunt, the SEAL platoon we worked closely with for the deployment all had the Punisher skull spray painted on their armor carriers.
There’s no question it’s far more prevalent on all the dumbass Grunt Style and Nine Line shirts these days, but the teams definitely adopted it for a while.
Confirming he understands that the punisher skull usage is in the same vein as the totenkopf. And considering his tattoo is much closer to the latter and he outright mocks the former?
So… try again. Maybe argue that him knowing how stupid it looks is an indicator that he always hated the nazi tattoo he had for 20 years and is thus a hero. Or just scream “fake news” until you go blue in the face.
So, to save us all some time: Here is where the bad actors insist that he was just posting to the internet and not actually reading what thread he was in or what the people he was responding to were saying and we really can’t judge him based on that.
What am I looking at here? Which user is Platner and when did he say it was a Nazi tattoo?
…
From the article:
acobin obtained the full archive of posts under Platner’s Reddit username, P-Hustle
So maybe look for “P-Hustle” in the link I provided?
Also, if you need a primer on who platner is, I recommend wikipedia for that. Maybe try to know a few things about what you are discussing. It makes it easier for everyone
Okay, I found one comment:
When I was in Ramadi in ‘06 as a Marine grunt, the SEAL platoon we worked closely with for the deployment all had the Punisher skull spray painted on their armor carriers.
There’s no question it’s far more prevalent on all the dumbass Grunt Style and Nine Line shirts these days, but the teams definitely adopted it for a while.
That, in your mind, is confirmation that he knew his own tattoo was an SS tattoo?
I do see the context. I see people talking about skulls and crossbones on a lot of different military decorations and how it’s not necessarily an indication of something bad even though the Nazis also had skulls and crossbones, because it’s just badass stuff that military people like to put on their gear for obvious reasons.
I mean, if he had scrolled up to where people were talking about ‘totenkopf’ up in a different place, and replied to that saying “oh btw I have one of those on my chest, I zoomed in to this picture and verified that the skull and crossbones on the right lapel of the guy on the left is the same as my tattoo,” it would mean that he was aware that his own tattoo was a totenkopf which is an SS symbol. That still wouldn’t mean he was a Nazi (or counterbalance the abundance of not-Nazi views he expressed during this big window we have to his private communication), but it would at least be backing for this somewhat different thing which you are now trying to claim.
Don’t try to apply critical thinking to these people, it’s a waste of energy. Just downvote and move on.
Congrats. You “found” the comment I provided after I explained to you how to read and then made the defense I facetiously suggested.
Twitter really broke the world, huh?
Not only had one for 20 years. Confirmed he understood that it was an SS tattoo 5 years ago
Still lying I see.
Check out the exchange where I ask for details of the “confirmation,” it’s fucking wild lol
“He OBVIOUSLY knew, for fuck’s sake he was commenting under this picture showing the exact same symbol on the SS uniforms!” I’m only very slightly exaggerating. Try to find the symbol, it actually is there…
He also uses the seldom seen turbo fallacy “little did you know that by responding to my argument you have SAID EXACTLY WHAT I SAID YOU’D SAY AND SO I WIN!” It’s so fuckin’ bizarre… in fairness I knew these dudes would be here as soon as I saw the post topic and knew we’d be talking about some bullshit, but honestly I am surprised by the nature and ferocity of it.
I looked at this picture the first time around and gave up trying to find it. Still can’t. The far left has something blurry on his collar that looks like it could have the right profile, but that’s only because this whole story has refreshed me about a Nazi symbol I think I’ve possibly only seen in that one “are we the baddies” skit. Feels like it would probably be in some Indiana Jones movies too, but if it was it wasn’t anything that left an impression.
I have a hard time taking anyone who’s really going hard on this seriously. The guy obviously wasn’t being careful with his words from that Reddit account and nothing in there even suggests he’s some secret Nazi, and if he’s not a secret Nazi this is just a dumb fuck up from some Marines on leave. It’s not a good thing, but not a campaign ender warranting a posting crusade. Feels like anyone trying to make this a big deal must be after him for some other reason.
So I’ve said this before, and this is actually a perfect example: The tell for these people is how lazy the argument is.
This dude doesn’t actually believe that this Reddit discussion about Punisher skulls under this particular picture is proof that Platner knew he had a Nazi tattoo. He doesn’t even seem to be trying very hard to make you believe it. He’s just… kind of “marking time,” it seems like. Making words go together in the vague shape of an argument, with a lot of confident aggressive energy and leading to the conclusion that puts “Platner” and “Nazi” vaguely into the same landscape, and then moving on.
I have talked with people before who I disagree with (obviously) and even on Lemmy some people who I really strongly disagree with. Usually it’s fine, we just talk. But the particular bizarro-world conversational flow of something like this exchange is very unique to a particular type of Lemmy interaction, and it always comes in conjunction with some very specific political messaging.
Absolutely. It’s telling that in this new oppo campaign they’re pointing to the same Reddit comments to say he’s both a communist and a secret Nazi. Those things aren’t remotely compatible and it kind of reveals the goal isn’t to present a real critique of his past and they just want to use some combination of throwing everything against the wall and hoping one of the options strikes a chord with each individual and trying to get people to think that if there’s a lot of accusations, something must be real. You don’t have to “summarize” things that didn’t happen if you’ve got a real argument. But having a real debate wasn’t ever the purpose.
Where did you see he confirmed this exactly?
