I am not expecting my single cancellation to make the slightest difference to their policy, they already made it clear that they are quite happy funding racists when multiple people have challenged them over it, and with one of their larger pots of cash they give out as well.
What I am getting out of is knowing I am not (indirectly) funding racists myself, rather than knowingly funding racists. I do not see it any different from buying products from Musk, if you did it ages ago then fine, but after, thats something else entirely.
I wouldn’t buy a Dell because I wouldn’t trust the hardware, his position is just the icing. Whole reason I wanted the framework was because I wanted something to last a very long time, I simply do not trust Dell to provide support or parts long term.
The Tim Apple situation hurt, as I really liked the apple silicon for build quality and I had an old Intel Macbook that did indeed last a very long time (still boots even now). However their RAM/Storage pricing for what is an essential amount of storage for me mean even without Timmys boot licking making them a non starter.
I wont buy Nvidia because of their shitty Linux support, Huang being an absolute womble
Lenovo is about as good as you getting for a mainstream brand, and they are ultimately owned by the CCP so meh.
I think with Framework it particularly hurts as at least with Dell or Apple they are quite openly rimming Trump because it will give them competitive advantage and tax cuts while they never really pretended to be for the public good.
WTF do Framework get by supporting Hyperland or Omarchy? Its literary supporting your racist uncle who makes moonshine for half a dozen people when you set yourself up to be an ethical alternative whose current market is more likely to be ethical seeking. Imagine if Oxfam or Doctors without Borders started supporting Trump? World of difference from the NRA supporting Trump due to the starting position.
Lenovo is about as good as you getting for a mainstream brand, and they are ultimately owned by the CCP so meh.
In addition to being owned by the CCP, they purposely installed rootkits on consumer hardware for intense data gathering, and it ended up getting compromised.
I dont use factory installed images from anybody, mostly because of this shit. I also dont use windows, not that I would trust a factory installed Linux either
What I remember it was an app you could uninstall and then you had to clean up the certificate install. It was part of the factory image and would get installed as part of that. Lenovo provided instructions to remove it.
Looking it up I cant seem to find it, so I might be wrong. It may not have been lenovo but I remember news years ago about some OEM getting caught doing that.
Yeah I am pretty certain you are tbh, I think you mixing up uefi certificate updates with root kits that are part of the factory image or other installed bloatware from the manufacturer.
Now if you were talking about vpro or other low level management I could believe it, but thats intel and avoidable…
Yeah, the whole situation sucks. I totally agree and wish that framework would reconsider their position on the matter.
The country is basically unrecognizable at this point IMO. The capitulation that has occurred so quickly in the second Trump term was stunning to behold. For a vast array of industries (computers being one of them), every reasonably ethical option feels like it flew out the window.
I plan on going for a used Lenovo, something with as many generic, replaceable components as possible with as little soldered to the motherboard as I can get away with. I trust the workplace models to be more reliable and supportable long term than anybody else.
That way Lenovo do not see a penny of my money and I will only have a very very small upward impact on used prices due to the volumes of used Lenovos sold.
Yeah my countries market for used frameworks is tiny, I would be paying a significant premium if I could find one and likely getting one of the less desirable (to me) older models. I also really want a 16/15" device so its kind of limiting.
Tim Cook designed and delivered a custom award to Trump.
Which looked like a gold-plated turd, but Trump likely can’t recognize that with his absence of taste. Apple so obviously could make something better-looking that I’ve had a solid chuckle seeing that shit, and my opinion of Apple hadn’t moved. In exchange for that piece of crap they’ve gotten Trump to lay his mitts off tariffs on what Apple needed, so sounds like a job well done to me. It’s not Apple’s business to topple an idiot that stupid USian public elected.
I mean ideally I wish nobody would give Trump money, but I believe it was understood at the time that if you’re running a large tech company and you want it to still exist after the Trump inauguration, you give him a million dollars as a present. Hence why they all did it, million dollars each.
Kinda shit situation to be in where the incoming president can just fuck everything up for your trillion dollar company out of spite, so the million dollar bribe suddenly seems like a literal cost of doing business, no different from taxes or material costs.
Of course as someone who is NOT running a trillion dollar company, it would’ve been more hilarious to see them all reject Trump and then squirm.
It wasn’t “understood”. They all wanted to stand on the dais. They all unbanned him from the platforms. They all threw their weight behind him as a candidate.
They are supporters of his. The whole “boo hoo, I only run a trillion dollar company so I cannot stand up to Trump” is a horse shit ass, bitch ass excuse. These people have more access to wealth, legal help, and other resources than any other people in history. They chose this. Some of them capitulated, and some of them collaborated, but it’s a distinction without a difference in my opinion.
Thank you for your position. While I appreciate the framework idea, and stated mission — in reality I don’t trust them, so I don’t mix the mission with them, the mission is valuable, them, I wouldn’t be so sure — I feel the same. I don’t want to support them now. It’s a complicated situation we’re in, regarding the state of the tech, but I don’t like this ‘we have to help them, just because we can unscrew their backpanel easily.’ The modules isn’t something I’m impressed with, I think that’s overthinking. I’d rather have a tiny laptop with nothing and a huge laptop with everything. Looks like Apple got this.
The apple silicon looks amazing, it would be my choice if I didn’t really dislike Tim Apple, and Apples excessive price gouging with storage and RAM pushing what would be a usable model for my requirements up significantly.
Equipping the base laptop with 256Gb of storage in the current year then charging how much to jump to even 512Gb, which is still pretty small amount, is a piss take.
They are are bad for RAM upgrade pricing, at least the base model has 16Gb. With both storage and RAM being soldered on, you are stuck either using external drives or cloud storage.
Second hand would be my pick, that way Apple do not see a penny of the money.
I am not expecting my single cancellation to make the slightest difference to their policy, they already made it clear that they are quite happy funding racists when multiple people have challenged them over it, and with one of their larger pots of cash they give out as well.
What I am getting out of is knowing I am not (indirectly) funding racists myself, rather than knowingly funding racists. I do not see it any different from buying products from Musk, if you did it ages ago then fine, but after, thats something else entirely.
I get it, but also if I stopped buying everything from every racist / racist supporter, I would have no real options for laptops generally speaking.
Michael Dell is a complete and total Trump supporter. Should I buy an XPS?
Tim Cook designed and delivered a custom award to Trump. Knowing this, should I buy an Apple?
I understand wanting to vote with your dollars but in practice there are few or no ethical options for many things that you can buy.
I wouldn’t buy a Dell because I wouldn’t trust the hardware, his position is just the icing. Whole reason I wanted the framework was because I wanted something to last a very long time, I simply do not trust Dell to provide support or parts long term.
The Tim Apple situation hurt, as I really liked the apple silicon for build quality and I had an old Intel Macbook that did indeed last a very long time (still boots even now). However their RAM/Storage pricing for what is an essential amount of storage for me mean even without Timmys boot licking making them a non starter.
I wont buy Nvidia because of their shitty Linux support, Huang being an absolute womble
Lenovo is about as good as you getting for a mainstream brand, and they are ultimately owned by the CCP so meh.
I think with Framework it particularly hurts as at least with Dell or Apple they are quite openly rimming Trump because it will give them competitive advantage and tax cuts while they never really pretended to be for the public good.
WTF do Framework get by supporting Hyperland or Omarchy? Its literary supporting your racist uncle who makes moonshine for half a dozen people when you set yourself up to be an ethical alternative whose current market is more likely to be ethical seeking. Imagine if Oxfam or Doctors without Borders started supporting Trump? World of difference from the NRA supporting Trump due to the starting position.
In addition to being owned by the CCP, they purposely installed rootkits on consumer hardware for intense data gathering, and it ended up getting compromised.
I dont use factory installed images from anybody, mostly because of this shit. I also dont use windows, not that I would trust a factory installed Linux either
Didn’t the superfish certificate install itself from UEFI even if you used your own windows image?
Really? Where you read that?
What I remember it was an app you could uninstall and then you had to clean up the certificate install. It was part of the factory image and would get installed as part of that. Lenovo provided instructions to remove it.
But again, I don’t use factory images or windows.
Looking it up I cant seem to find it, so I might be wrong. It may not have been lenovo but I remember news years ago about some OEM getting caught doing that.
Yeah I am pretty certain you are tbh, I think you mixing up uefi certificate updates with root kits that are part of the factory image or other installed bloatware from the manufacturer.
Now if you were talking about vpro or other low level management I could believe it, but thats intel and avoidable…
Yeah, the whole situation sucks. I totally agree and wish that framework would reconsider their position on the matter.
The country is basically unrecognizable at this point IMO. The capitulation that has occurred so quickly in the second Trump term was stunning to behold. For a vast array of industries (computers being one of them), every reasonably ethical option feels like it flew out the window.
I plan on going for a used Lenovo, something with as many generic, replaceable components as possible with as little soldered to the motherboard as I can get away with. I trust the workplace models to be more reliable and supportable long term than anybody else.
That way Lenovo do not see a penny of my money and I will only have a very very small upward impact on used prices due to the volumes of used Lenovos sold.
You could go used framework as well if any of those exist. You’d have to buy from eBay or something in order to satisfy your position.
I’d recommend the 13 over the 16.
Yeah my countries market for used frameworks is tiny, I would be paying a significant premium if I could find one and likely getting one of the less desirable (to me) older models. I also really want a 16/15" device so its kind of limiting.
Gotcha, well best of luck to you
Which looked like a gold-plated turd, but Trump likely can’t recognize that with his absence of taste. Apple so obviously could make something better-looking that I’ve had a solid chuckle seeing that shit, and my opinion of Apple hadn’t moved. In exchange for that piece of crap they’ve gotten Trump to lay his mitts off tariffs on what Apple needed, so sounds like a job well done to me. It’s not Apple’s business to topple an idiot that stupid USian public elected.
The turd was just the icing on top of the shit cake dude. They gave that jack off millions of dollars.
Welp, then I guess you’re the type of customer they fully deserve.
How many millions did they give? I know of the one million for the inauguration. Do you think one million is much money for either Apple or Trump?
Keep apologizing for Tim Apple! 🍏🍎
I mean ideally I wish nobody would give Trump money, but I believe it was understood at the time that if you’re running a large tech company and you want it to still exist after the Trump inauguration, you give him a million dollars as a present. Hence why they all did it, million dollars each.
Kinda shit situation to be in where the incoming president can just fuck everything up for your trillion dollar company out of spite, so the million dollar bribe suddenly seems like a literal cost of doing business, no different from taxes or material costs.
Of course as someone who is NOT running a trillion dollar company, it would’ve been more hilarious to see them all reject Trump and then squirm.
It wasn’t “understood”. They all wanted to stand on the dais. They all unbanned him from the platforms. They all threw their weight behind him as a candidate.
They are supporters of his. The whole “boo hoo, I only run a trillion dollar company so I cannot stand up to Trump” is a horse shit ass, bitch ass excuse. These people have more access to wealth, legal help, and other resources than any other people in history. They chose this. Some of them capitulated, and some of them collaborated, but it’s a distinction without a difference in my opinion.
Such argument, very informative, wow. Maybe don’t attempt an argument if you don’t actually have anything to say.
Such idiot, very blocked, wow.
Thank you for your position. While I appreciate the framework idea, and stated mission — in reality I don’t trust them, so I don’t mix the mission with them, the mission is valuable, them, I wouldn’t be so sure — I feel the same. I don’t want to support them now. It’s a complicated situation we’re in, regarding the state of the tech, but I don’t like this ‘we have to help them, just because we can unscrew their backpanel easily.’ The modules isn’t something I’m impressed with, I think that’s overthinking. I’d rather have a tiny laptop with nothing and a huge laptop with everything. Looks like Apple got this.
I do not trust them either, not after this.
The apple silicon looks amazing, it would be my choice if I didn’t really dislike Tim Apple, and Apples excessive price gouging with storage and RAM pushing what would be a usable model for my requirements up significantly.
Equipping the base laptop with 256Gb of storage in the current year then charging how much to jump to even 512Gb, which is still pretty small amount, is a piss take.
They are are bad for RAM upgrade pricing, at least the base model has 16Gb. With both storage and RAM being soldered on, you are stuck either using external drives or cloud storage.
Second hand would be my pick, that way Apple do not see a penny of the money.