The prolife party is calling for death? This is a familiar pattern. How long you think until it comes out hes fucking kids?
Hey dude, got news for you. The leader of your party fucked children. Seems how he’d measure their vaginas is more of a risk to kids.
Okay, so he is threatening multiple people with death, including family members just for being family
So this means we can threaten his life and the lives of his family members, then? I mean, rules for mee, rules for thee, right?
I propose we kill any politician who proposes nazi ideologies, or any religious rules they like. Sounds only fair to me. If he wants to kill me, I want to kill him before he gets anywhere near power
If it makes anyone feel any better, I think a literal cheeseburger would poll better than he is right now for the gov race.
Unfortunately Blackburn is also a massive piece of shit.
A massive piece of shit that TN has voted for over and over for like 2 decades because of the big R next to her name
I’m sure they are. I’m in OH so I feel like I have plenty of shitheads representing me in Congress right now unfortunately.a
I’d rather have the cheeseburger than Blackburn though.
Cheeseburgers are tasty and have better domestic policy plans.
His policies:
- Execute parents, guardians and caregivers of trans youth, including doctors
- Execute women who get abortions and doctors who provide them
- Prevent poor kids from entering education.
If he had his way, everyone in my family and many of my friends would be dead and the survivors would be trapped in poverty. The Republican Party is just the American Nazi party these days.
Dont get me wrong, he’s a sack of shit. The first 2 bullet points are monsterous.
But we shouldn’t be critizing him over wanting to prevent public funds going to private schools. Its the objectively correct take, you dont need to mention it all when talking about how shitty he is.
“Pro life” party.
“These days”…
Ya know… I may not fully understand what it is to be trans, but my reaction to that is curiosity, a desire to learn. To understand.
How this can motivate a person to think this, to do this… I just don’t get it.
Why are they this way? What makes a person so bigoted that their answer is “executions”?
I may not fully understand what it is to be trans, but my reaction to that is curiosity, a desire to learn. To understand.
I had it explained to me once by a really really good friend, so I’ll try to pass it on as best I can. The way I had it explained to me was:
Imagine the thing you will leave behind that will last the longest.
Is it a photo?
No. Photographs fade and decay.
Is it a scientific discovery?
Probably not
Is it an achievement?
Not really unless you’re up there like Neil Armstrong.
Is it the memory others have of you?
No because eventually they’ll pass on to.
After a few generations, all reference and remembrance of you will have faded into the background but for one thing: your tomb stone. Not much of anything, but it’ll stand the test of time better than anything else really. I mean the Egyptians built the pyramids, and they’re the oldest thing we have. What are they made of? Stone.
Now, imagine that tomb stone had the wrong gender marker and someone else’s name. It’s a pretty crappy thing isn’t it?
Now, imagine you could, if just for a moment, come back to fix it and set it right. Not much of anything, but it’ll set right the mark that you [whatever your name is] were here as male/female/whatever.
That’s basically a gender transition, but while you’re alive.
Maybe they’ll dead name you on your marker. May they’ll have the wrong gender marker on that stone. It’s not like you’ll notice. But at least you’ll have tried, and maybe that’ll have to do. At least you tried. After all, you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take, and transitioning while you’re alive is the best shot you can take to get that tombstone set right.
And, that’s pretty much how it was explained to me. Kinda sad, but it really made it clear and understandable to me. Hope it helps you like it did me.
I appreciate your candor and perspective.
It’s a lot to think about. ;)
Reactionary ideology is about loss and blame.
The current reactionary stripe in the US is focused on White Evangelical Supremacy, so everyone who is not in that group is a prime target.
White Evangelicalism has lost a heap of prestige in the last 30 years, while LGBTQ+ rights have been ascendant. This is the reason why trans people have long been taegeted by the reactionary right: they want to roll back all of the gains made to sexual minorities, and trans people make the easiest targets.
They also target immigrants for largely the same reason: they’re a highly visible population who doesn’t conform to their ideal White Evangelical model, so they use terror tactics to oppress them.
The goal is to make life intolerable for the people they hate so that they don’t have to compete against ideas that make the world a more equitable place. It’s no coincidence that the reactionary right rallied around fighting diversity, equity and inclusion: they are an evangelical white supremacist coalition.
see… yes, you’re correct about all of what you’re saying… but this is the understanding we had… 10-15 years ago. It was that simple then. But the reasons people tell themselves to be on this side and the means by which they fight (tactics, strategy, etc.) really has evolved in the 25+ years I, myself, have been part of the fight. What I’m saying is that: the other side has massively-upgraded its fighting ability and the complex/advanced nature of its attacks over the last 10 years, and we have repeatedly faltered in trying to counter it. Once in a while, we have a standout moment, but, currently, we’re on our back foot and without a clear strategy - or even the basic tactics - we need in oder to actually fight.
Yes, the reactionary right is often derided as stupid, but they’re very effective at stealing the language of liberation from the left and repurposing it to defend the people in power.
While many of the base are indeed ignorant and misinformed, the people driving the message are meticulous and creative about finding ways to make White Evangelical Supremacy more palatable. Tucker Carlson is especially effective at laundering neo-nazi talking points for them; his constant scaremongering around the racist “great replacement” conspiracy theory and his open hatred and lies about trans people are some of the most egregious.
But it’s also people like Joe Rogan who make this reactionary funnel really work: he acts like a middle-of-the-road centrist, but also sells a gentler version of the same great replacement and “gender ideology” bullshit while introducing his audience to a whole bunch of radical right-wing freaks like they’re just normal people.
I hate to say this, but, as correct as I think your assessment is… I think it’s about 5 to 10 years out of date. Things have gotten much more complicated, complex, and dire since then, and this old world understanding of why it is this way just isn’t gonna cut it anymore.
As you’ve pointed out, the right wing has seized on digital and independent media and forced those crazy views into the mainstream. This is something that was not only pioneer by leftists, but dominated by the left for decades until just very recently. What the fuck happened? We need to figure that out and figure out how to fight back. Especially if the truth requires us, collectively, facing a bunch of stuff, we don’t want to admit about ourselves, growing, and moving on.
I guess I don’t understand what you think I’m missing. I think the rise of an explicitly fascist party and the propaganda arm to support it is pretty dire.
And historically, the right has been at the forefront of new media. Talk radio has been almost exclusively reactionary since its inception, and that provided a model for new media as well. We’ve had nearly a century of radical right-wing radio content to hone the message and tactics. Father Caughlin was doing his radio show in 1933, wherein he took his “America First” message to the nation.
There have been more leftist new-media shows than previously, but they are still playing catch-up with the well-funded reactionaries.
The right-wing rage machine has recently been fueled by a number of things, but mainly loss in prestige due to acceptance of LGBTQ+ people & the US hiring a black president. They got a candidate in Donald Trump who swore to be their retribution, and they rallied around him because he hates all the same people, but (perhaps most importantly) also spoke to their loss in a way that other Republicans and Democrats would not.
I guess I don’t understand what you think I’m missing. I think the rise of an explicitly fascist party and the propaganda arm to support it is pretty dire.
I don’t think you’re missing anything.
it’s a lot to think about
Thanks. I feel a lot less alone in my… despair.
Tbh I don’t really care much about trans people, in the same way I don’t give a fuck about the person living 3 streets away that I don’t know. I don’t understand why people give a shit what someone else wants to be called, or wether they want a dick, vagina, tits or a funky mix. It doesn’t negatively affect anyone’s life in any way, so I see no reason to negatively affect theirs.
Religious nutjobs and authoritarian cunts are the people negatively affecting other people’s lives. And so their lives needs to be equally negatively affected for true balance in the world.
I guess like a kind of karma, only I don’t believe any force of nature will take care of it, so people must do it instead.
I’m 46. I’ve lived in a lot of places, and I have met a lot of people-- people of all shapes, sizes, flavors, etc.
Of all of the people who hold some sort of bigotry (especially the actual bigoted assholes) I ever met, not a single one of them arrived at that opinion by themselves. Most everyone holds some sort of biases and bigotries, even those who actively try not to. It’s human failing… we all have them. But there’s a difference between a minor, subconscious bias and “I don’t want X people in my church.” One of those can, very easily, be addressed with education, social exposure, etc. Generationally, one of those things was going away because it was being addressed. The second issue, the outright bigotry, on the other hand, I believe is a much more complicated issue requiring a more complicated solution. It appears, outright, to be much more simple, but that’s just what it look like. u under the surface, I suspect that there is much more that contributes to this attitude… and that understanding that is critical to combating it.
because they think people are good or evil.
and evil ones must be punished and killed.
it’s that simple.
lots of people think this way. it’s far more common than not.
the question is what your criteria for good and evil are.
I don’t know… I used to believe this, but today I’m feeling that this sort of assessment is more than a bit reductive. If we are supposed to be fighting this, then we need to understand it better and dismiss it less.
Nothing about this is simple, and falling into that mindset is, I believe, a major problem with how the other side thinks. We can’t be better than them, and we especially can’t beat them, if we’re just the same as them. (in this context.)
Except this is simple; You are either in the in group and mostly a good person who occasionally makes mistakes that should be forgiven or you are in the out group and are a bad person who does bad things and cannot do redeemable things.
That’s it. That’s the entire right wing ethos.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
- Frank Wilhoit
You are either in the in group and mostly a good person who occasionally makes mistakes that should be forgiven
Yeah. This was just an oopsiedoodles and it can easily be forgiven.
it’s a problem with how human beings think. us vs them. us is the good ones, them is the evil ones.
and the way you get rid of them, is by killing them.
the mindset isn’t exclusive to any ‘side’. and really, you can’t be better than them. you want to eliminate them too.
the question is, whose ideas will the broader public support? them, or yours?
I feel that you are a lot closer to the answer, but even a psychosocial analysis as simplistic as this one is a bit reductive nowadays. Especially in the context of trying to fight back.
I suspect there is much more to it that we have yet to understand…
It’s tribalism. It’s not that complex.
My tribe good, your tribe bad. Anyone in the tribe who doesn’t follow the tribe rules, is bad.
You may subscribe to a ‘all human beings are the same’ globalism, but very very few people do. And most of those people who do are educated in a certain way. And even those who do believe that… their actions are often in contradiction to those beliefs.
I live in a very progressive city full of ‘global citizens’. Most of them lose their shit at having to see homeless people and open talk about just killing them because they are gross to look at. They feel similar about non-white, non-educated, and immigrant populations. Why? Because those people aren’t part of their ‘tribe’. They are happy to tell me this because I’m part of their tribe and they can ‘be honest’ with me.
A lot of people understand their public image is different than their private beliefs. And their public image may be ‘everyone is humanl’ their private belief is often, only people who look, talk, and have as much money as they do are really ‘human’. Everyone else is a subhuman until they have attained the same level of status.
I’m not debating whether tribalism plays a major part in this-- even many major parts… what I suspect is that, as we have tried to address issues like this for over a century, now, the issue itself (and its roots) have evolved into a much more complex state, and that more is now required to understand and address these newer complexities that didn’t exist in the past.
for example: I grew up in the 80s and 90s as a closeted gay kid, and eventually came out in 1997 when there was a huge global surge in LGBTQ visibility, acceptance, etc. And that went on for almost 15 years until a conservative backlash slid in and began dismantling so many of the strides towards unity and acceptance the LGBTQ community had hard-won. But the attacks, today, the criticisms, everything the MAGAs do to just tear away at the civil rights of not only LGBTQ people but any minority deserves reconsideration as to the how their attacks have changed, and the what it is that they appeal to in their base that elicits their support.
I’m trying to approach this from the perspective of not only defending against newer, more complex and advanced tactics, but also understanding them better.
Even if tomorrow trans people stopped being an issue, there would be some new group to cause controversy over or who wants recognition that isn’t getting it.
In my town there are now debates over the legalization of polyamory, for example. Because here queer/trans issues are largely over and done with. One city in my state legalized it, but it’s such a tiny minority of people it’s not a big deal yet. Also, since only one town legalized it, it has no broad hold on state-wide laws or institutions. It just means that they allow you plural filing of marriage licenses in the town clerk office and town employees can have their multiple spouses covered under healthcare, etc. And knowing some poly people… they love to go on about how society oppresses an is unfair to them and how monogamy is evil.
And yes, there will always be backlashes. That’s how people are. The answer to your question is to just… campaign better. Liberals/leftists don’t really fight, because they don’t really believe. People on the right, fight and believe, and have been fighting for decades. They simple care more about being against you and thus they tend to rally more support. They fought against abortion for decades and decades and the left mostly didn’t care about it, so they lost.
the liberals fought in the 1960s and won. then largely chilled out for the next 50 years and the conservatives started being the belligerent and winning and the left has been on the defensive ever since.
I’m wondering if there are some people who naturally reject the tribalism, or if rejecting it is something that needs to be learned.
The only people I want to die are the people who want people to die 😉
Yes, but they get rejected by society largely, because people don’t like people who don’t want to be a part of the tribe.
And you want everyone to die. Because everyone wants someone to die. If not physically, at least spiritually.
What you don’t get is that anti-queer people see queer people as a existential threat. Hence why they are very motivated. You want to say they are crazy and delusional, and they are, but that doesn’t mean their feelings aren’t real. They very much believe queer people are going to steal their children if they don’t stop them.
yeah no, youre way off. wanting the other side dead is specifically and exclusively a problem of the right wing. there is no equivalence.
is it? I see a lot of calls to violence in left wing spaces. and I’ve had violence direct at myself by so called left wing people.
Are you sure it’s exclusively a problem of right wing people? do you not recall Charlie Kirk? most leftists seem to see nothing wrong with his murder, because he ‘deserved it’.
i’ve been politically active for almost 25 years, and I’ve seen violence and death called for by everyone. the only major difference is who they want to be the victim(s) of that violence.
charlie kirk was killed by a groyper.
“i’ve been politically active for almost 25 years, and I’ve seen violence and death called for by everyone. the only major difference is who they want to be the victim(s) of that violence.”
ive been politically active for over 30 years and ive never heard anyone on the left call for murders. i can link countless rightwing nutjobs in and out of office that are calling for death. im calling bs on your claim.
They are an extremely small amount of people, so it’s very easy to target them for hate messaging.
Hate is the opiate of the masses. Many say it’s religion, but I’d say religion is merely the syringe of choice.
sorry, in my deleted comment, I misunderstood what you said.
as for trans people being easy to target because there are so few of them: although that very true, I think that’s just a matter of convenience at the moment. The root issue that some people take issue with is the “otherness” of being trans. LGBTQ people have, over the last 25+ years, come a very long towards mainstream acceptance, but there have been some very notable backlashes/regressions in that regard as well. I’m trying to figure out a newer, more contemporaneous way to address and combat that.
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They have a fixed mindset, while you described a growth mindset. They’re afraid of anyone different from them because it disrupts their hierarchy and their belief system. They’re afraid to question their beliefs too.
Religion
MONEY
Pro life want to KILL KILL KILL!
And they told us we’re overreacting when we say these people want us dead
Yeah he looks like it.
No doubt this piece of fucking shit has a hard drive chock full of child SA material, trans porn and all kinds of other shit he supposedly would be “opposed” too. GOP are every allegation is a confession and anything they have a strong opinion against they ashamedly have a fetish for. That’s their major tell.
I call for the execution of people calling for the execution of trans- or trans-affiliated persons.
Party of family values.
Another day, another ugly ass redneck white man showing his insecurity over his micropenis.
I said this would happen, and you called me a “gloom-and-doomer.”
They’re just following a simple set of rules for when you did something bad: reflect attention by creating an enemy that is smaller in size than the group who’s attention you’re deflecting. Since he isn’t important and doesn’t have the influence to pick a new enemy, poor guy has no choice to jump on a bandwagon. Current option in the us is “illegals” and “trans”. Yes his actions are deplorabele and need to be countered, but let’s not only pay attention to his deflection but also try and figure out why he feels the need to speak out against trans people. If he was just a biggot he could have kept his mouth shut too, if he was just kissing the butt of some trans-hater he would likely done so sooner. There could be another reason he is doing this now.
These people are all catastrophically fucked in the head
I have a very simple mindset: hurting others is bad.
That’s it. That’s all.
But…
I think there is an exception to this: hurting a nazi. By letting a nazi alive, you are endangering other people, as the nazi will hurt others if left free. So even if hurting others is bad, hurting a nazi is in fact good beacuse you prevent damage to innocents. So yeah, hurt a nazi, it’s a good thing for you and for others around you.
