“Unremoval of Piracy Communities” https://lemmy.world/post/6018317
This post needs to be updated to reflect the current policy.
Six months later, a new Removal of piracy communities announcement confirmed that these communities had been removed. !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com, which was the most popular piracy community, is still inaccessible to lemmy.world users. This is misleading: users see the old post, sign-up, and then find out they cannot access the community.
Please edit the original post to include the new removal announcement.
That’s rich coming from fedi. On pexelfed there’s a guy that takes pictures of people’s faces, cars, license plates, and homes with addresses and nothing can be done about it. I just flat out blocked this ugly looking fucker but he still shows up on my feed. You can’t report him so it dawns on me that there’s also nothing that can be done on Pixelfed or other platforms on fedi about harassment or doxxing.
I didn’t mean this post would make people talk about whole federation and censorship. Looks like we really need to talk about Federation and Censorship
Laughs in @lemmy.dbzer0.com.
The strength of the fediverse is exactly this: don’t like what an instance admin is doing? Move to another instance or create your own.
defederates Feddit
You say that as if it’s a gotcha, not a boon
If censorship is what’s being criticized, it’s no different. This is why I tell people not to use db0.
Used to be the first thing we’d suggest but it’s just become such a nanny instance that jumps on everyone’s shit.
If censorship is what’s being criticized, it’s no different.
I hate when censorship comes for people I do like.
I love when censorship comes for people I don’t like.
it’s just become such a nanny instance that jumps on everyone’s shit.
Admins are fighting a flood of instances and users more interested in getting attention than participating in the community. Consequently, you’ll have power users ballooning the front page with click-bait. You’ll have instances choke full of reactionary content specifically intended to bait a flame war. You’ll have spammers plugging their own brands or working on behalf of some third party. And you’ll have the odd bot-farm or other automated account that’s just probing the Fediverse for gaps.
“Ah, but the individual users can always block what they choose”
Sure. Technically. But nobody wants to wake up every morning to a front page that’s full of shit. The spammers can bloat your inbox faster than the individual can flush it out. So Admins who step in and do a little public house cleaning - the Nanny work you hate - makes the website cleaner and friendlier for lay users that pop in now and then.
But nobody wants to wake up every morning to a front page that’s full of shit
Don’t you know admins can have a default blocklist for all users (if a user want they can change that list)
feddit wasn’t a spam instance?
I think the censorship arguments can definitely use some maturing… for example, what would you think of the cultural censorship that occurs with Nazi ideology? Probably want to keep that one, huh?
We don’t necessarily want to do away with censorship, I think. But, I think in the most mature world, it would be healthy to.
Why can’t the boy ask his priest about his most serious doubts regarding god, and receive an honest answer back? Why does the priest say the solution is faith, an inward focused quality to be solved at the individual-level?
There is so much fear, so much bias, so much identity tethered to ideology… sometimes I don’t know if humans can help it. Censorship is a … nuanced issue.
Why can’t the boy ask his priest about his most serious doubts regarding god, and receive an honest answer back?
Why is the priest allowed to just make shit up with nothing more than a bronze aged poorly translated manuscript to back him up? The boy should be able to ask away. It’s the priest that should be censored.
There is so much fear, so much bias, so much identity tethered to ideology
Crazy factoid I learned recently. Children younger than 18 are prohibited from participating in religious activities and receiving religious education, even in schools run by religious organizations within China. If you’re too young to consent, you’re too young to be indoctrinated into a religious tradition.
Why is the priest allowed to just make shit up with nothing more than a bronze aged poorly translated manuscript to back him up? The boy should be able to ask away. It’s the priest that should be censored.
I mostly agree-ish. But the priest is really a metaphor for us all. See, the priest happened to make a very human mistake: identify yourself with your ideology. The problem there is rather simple: ideology is unstable, and people compensate for that via censorship. The reason people compensate that way is more complex… it has to do with the relationship they’ve created between themselves and the ideology, codependency. If the ideology is attacked, it feels like a personal attack. If the ideology is destroyed, it can feel like philosophical death. People, like the priest, respond like an act of self-preservation.
We do this with all kinds of topics. Sexism, racism, nazism, … the Right would also do this for communism and socialism. If someone came to you with a thought experiment to explore the merits of racism from an objective perspective, how easy would it be to participate? Not so much, reasonably so, I’d imagine.
You run into this problem where now, you’re concerned with what should and shouldn’t be censored. That sounds great and all… but it really isn’t any better. When humanities experience of the world revolved around their connection with god, it made sense to censor the heathens. Common sense to do so, dare I say. That idea doesn’t look so good in retrospect, but what’s changed now is just the context we live in. What hasn’t changed is the problem.
We vote on who we want to defederate from. Our vote threads even have cool pirate themed images and stuff.
They even make less content an event so you can celebrate your own loss?
Things are done there by consent. I see that’s something you don’t approve of.
By consent of others, whoever registered there will be forced to that outcome even if they disagree. I fail to see how that’s a good thing
Seems kinda hypcritical. Aw well, hivemind gonna hivemind.
Go make your own “censor free” instance and stop whining, jfk
That’s why it’s nice not to use lemmy.world
Turns out the admins and community moderators there lie or just don’t care, mild shock.
I had no idea this was a thing. Interesting. I can see from liability why this is not something they dont want to touch, being a general purpose instance.
I think lemmy/fediverse needs a place where if you try and subscribe to something blocked, you get a post/page explaining why they did the thing. Its going to confuse new users otherwise.
IIRC when it was implemented in the first place, it seemed like lemmy.world had actually been contacted by some stakeholder with a DMCA-style request, even though the community was not actually originating on lemmy.world. Explaining how federation worked to lawyers didn’t matter much and with .world at the time becoming one of the larger and more visible instances that seemed like the best way to avoid the headaches. Initially they defederated with dbzer0 entirely before developing a way to block just the community.
Considering the bullshit spewed by them to justify their ban of pro-Luigi comments, claiming they consulted a lawyer, I doubt this ever happened.
Is it a known thing that they were dishonest about speaking to a lawyer with that situation?
I’ve been meaning to change instances and find a new home, if it’s known that they lied or mislead their users thats something I’d love to know more about
I’ve been on a few instances. Was on lemm.ee before owner-fatigue. Joined a couple since, but lemmy.zip felt closer to my old instance than any other. Super transparent admin and one of the reasons I have a monthly donation set up. Got good quality folks here, also!
Hey Cris,
As someone else said in the comments, https://lemmy.zip/ is very nice. You can see the monthly updates from the admins on [email protected]
And if you want to give Piefed a chance, they have https://piefed.zip/ as well
You can import your Lemmy.world settings and blocks from the account settings
They did not admit it. I don’t think anyone could have have proof they didn’t. Only the ridiculousness of their arguments.
Removed by mod
That’s why I run my own instance, dont like others decide what must be censored for me.
But so you can decide for others what you want to censor for them on your instance. Because I can name a few things that you would probably want ASAP removed from your instance, if someone posted such things.
Everyone would do the same if they personally were exposed to legal liability.
I highly suspect that they’re the sole user on their instance. That’s fairly common for people who just want to avoid the headache of dealing with rogue admins. Just spin up an instance, and then your server only federates with the instances and communities that you directly interact with. No need to worry about the “things you would want removed ASAP” unless you’re the one seeking out those things.
I am my only user, so…
Would love to know how to do that. Like to not be censored.
Yes I use docker, I have documented my effort here https://wiki.gardiol.org/doku.php?id=services%3Alemmy
It was pretty easy and require zero maintenance, just remember to update the containers. Space utiliztion and resources are pretty low, depending on how many communities you subscribe.
Also, I host it at home (with public reachable ip of course)
Thanks for sharing.
Have you had any issues with other, larger instances not federating with you? (just because your small, they don’t want to risk being spammed by trolls/bots/etc)
This would be my only concern in hosting my own instance.
Never had such an issue
Much appreciated. Seems very detailed
Just an odour question from me because I don’t know. How does federation work? Do you need to specifically federate with everyone or just those you don’t want to federate with
Its automatic. You can defederate, bit federation is utomatic.
I hope to do that too one day
Its not that difficult you need a VPS or a public reachable ip at home and docker/podman.
So you run your own instance and federate with other instances as you please? How are you hosting it / is it doable via docker?
Yes I use docker, I have documented my effort here https://wiki.gardiol.org/doku.php?id=services%3Alemmy
It was pretty easy and require zero maintenance, just remember to update the containers. Space utiliztion and resources are pretty low, depending on how many communities you subscribe.
Also, I host it at home (with public reachable ip of course)
Yes, you can use docker: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/administration/install_docker.html
I recommend using a VPS with wireguard and a cheap used workstation like a Dell Optiplex for the actual hosting. That way you can forward all ports without your ISP knowing.
Thanks will look into this.
Rad, tyvm. I’ve got a proxmox server at home running wireguard so I’ll give it a hoon on that. Thanks again.
It’s been 2 years, what made you dig that up?
Because nothing has changed?
People have had 2 years to switch to another instance. Lemmy.zip, used by OP, is nice.
Personally I think if LW wants to ban a certain kind of content, more power to them. But they should be transparent about it.
If they’ve said they’ll unban pirate content, then pirate content should be allowed. If they want it banned, fine, but make a statement clarifying that that is the case.
OP is doing good work by pointing this out.
We wouldn’t want anyone forgetting, now would we?
People don’t want to switch.
Then they’re the same as the Reddit users who refuse to move. It’s not hard to move to a different Lemmy/PieFed instance, that’s our strength. You can export your account data and import it to your new instance so your subscriptions transfer.
But your upvotes and comment history don’t.
For some of us, that’s not a bad thing. I tend to burn my account and make a new one every year or two, just to minimize the accumulation of potential doxxing material.
I also tend to swap things like my specific location when I talk about where I live. Pretty sure on just this one account I have comments saying I live in Texas, Oklahoma, and New Mexico. I’ll even change how I talk about my job. I work in live entertainment, but that’s a very broad category. I change details like how many seats my venue has, what my specific job is, (for instance, on this account I’m an audio technician), what my work history is like, what kinds of shows I tend to work, etc… All of them have grains of truth, (for instance, I have worked as an audio technician in the past, so I know what the job entails), but none are truly correct and all are red herrings in some way.
Sure but IDK that just doesn’t seem important. That’s the same issue we had switching from Reddit to Lemmy. My Reddit posts aren’t gone and neither are my programming.dev posts, I’m here on retrolemmy.com now and I’m fine leaving my old account behind. If I need to edit an old post then I’ll open programming.dev but that doesn’t bother me.
IDK that just doesn’t seem important.
I’m fine leaving my old account behind.
Then we have different viewpoints. I’m very much NOT ok with leaving my old account behind.
If AI hadn’t banned me on reddit, I’d be much happier over there. I’d have my old account, and all my post history going back 10 years. Which by this point would be more like 12 or 13 years.
It’s not important to you, but it’s important to me. Just because youhave an opinion doesn’t make it “the right way”. Everyone can have different opinions, and thats ok.
Literally 3 months after I got here, and started figuring out how the fediverse worked, I was calling for changes. Quite frankly, what I thought the fediverse was is a lot cooler than what it actually is.
I can post a picture here from pixelfed, but it’s no different than posting a picture from imgur.
So the account history is all I have to look back at.
Well tbf idk what you expect people on other instances to do about it lol
Then admins have no reasons to change anything
People want access to the defederated instances, on lemmy.world.
People also wanted API access on Reddit in 2023, and here we are
Notice how ‘here’ is no longer reddit
Reddit refused access to API, and people left reddit.
Lemmy.world is refusing access to the pirate instances.
By your logic, people should leave Lemmy.
I wasn’t know that before I’m new
go back to shilling your social credit score knock-off
Huh?
Not sure what they meant to be honest.
Hope you’re doing ok!
.world doesnt want to be potentially liable for Piracy when they get “SERVED or sued”
so why don’t lemmy.today block them :D
I’m suprised someone on lemmy.today says that
I’m just speculating, but maybe the owner is in a different country? Not everything is America and even the EU varies somewhat in laws and regulations. Then there is the entire rest of world. And finally different people have their individual morals and stances and what risks they are willing to take for others. Regardless I don’t see any need to bash anybody else over this. Just switch to an instance by your own preference and be done with it. If it is really that important; run an instance of your own, private or public, and deal with it yourself.
It’s not about where is the owner it’s about where is the server and there is hundreds of instances but only lemmy.world did this.
Just switch to an instance by your own preference and be done with it. If it is really that important; run an instance of your own, private or public, and deal with it yourself.
Yeah I did but still this don’t justify the outdated “unremoval of Piracy communities” post they should update this
lol at rentoids in this post mad at the 6.k D.A.U boss of the fediverse
Unclear if AI bot, or insane person having a stroke.
My flair on that account from presumably another thread is “neoliberal troll”
So I think it’s just bait.
As I am a Lemmy n00b, can you direct me on what to do to be able to flair users? I like most of the Lemmy method of things, but as an old.reddit user using RES… I’m finding the options a little limited over here so far. :)
I use the voyager front end which lets me flare users. I believe you can also do this natively on the piefed default frontend (my instance is piefed). I’m not sure it’s possible on lemmy.
Thank you, this gives me where to go looking next :)
I’ve been here 2 years, and this is the first I’m hearing of this.
For you and @[email protected], if flair, in this case, is similar to tagging users in other clients, it’s a setting and feature set of clients like Voyager. You can tag users by going to their profile, selecting the three dots or whatever to get things like block user, and selecting tag. You can even change the vote total for them if you enable the setting to track vote totals for accounts.
I personally only modify the votes for accounts that I negatively tag. A super negative total is dark red and stands out!
unrelated but i love your 5 line keyboard layout
Thank you. I’ll play around with available clients, then :)
Increasingly harder to tell the difference since 2014.
lemmy.world is my least favourite part of lemmy.
Wait until I tell you about .ml
Oh wait…. Shit, sorry.
Hi, I am from an instance no one ever seems to talk about and when reading these kinds of threads I am glad I made that choice. 😁
In case you aren’t aware, there is a comment chain below the first reply to your comment that adds some light-hearted teasing to your reply. Nothing but love for our German lemmings! ❤️
I’ve seen it. :D
Ok everybody. You heard them! Everybody talk about discuss.tchncs.de! Let’s ALL form opinions and talk at length about them!
Hey, are we fighting? I llllooooovvvvvvveeeeee fighting!! Oooo weee, those discuss.tchncs.de accounts are always trouble!! Gotta watch out for those guys, am I right?!
Every single user I’ve seen from that instance wants to remain relatively unknown, like they’ve got something to hide.
…ok, I honestly can’t tell if you’re in on the joke, or if you’re being a nutjob.
bruh
You can’t tell they were joking around? :/
Well, I can tell. They are.
We all are, lol. Text with no conveyance of emotion sure is fun and never leads to arguments, ever!
Actually, I’m starting to think that sarcasm on the internet may be the problem…🤔
technics? those are the fancy lego right? i’m all about fancy lego
I hated discuss.tchncs.de before it was cool.
Oh man, people from discuss.tchncs.de just cannot take a joke
Block the whole instance
To be fair to others less knowledgeable, I’ve seen first hand someone admitting they joined .ml because it was the first/largest server they learned about, not knowing it was a marxist-leninist joint, and they were asking how to transfer their account up on outta there. That was a fun thread lol
My point is, just like we can’t judge people based on their national origin, we shouldn’t judge people from their home instance. But as a general rule, yeah .ml reeks lol
Idk if you’re on grad I feel like you definitely know what you signed up for.
I agree but think its also different depending on context.
Like if someone has thousands of contributions and their account is 6 months + old. Hell yeah I can judge them on the instance they use. Because they have had plenty of time and opportunity to learn and change.
A new user on the otherhand. I won’t.
I myself have both a defunct world and ML account from a long time ago when I first joined the threadiverse.
I recently read an interesting comment about .ml that I think is worth sharing: https://lemmy.ml/post/42725005/23793647
That wall of text could be summarized as “but what about the other guys” without addressing a single criticism.
As nice as those anticommercial ideals are, I generally just see shills that enjoy downplaying Russia’s invasion and justifying Iran’s mass-murdering of protesters out of .ml. Some really, really bizarre cyberstalking weirdos too.
Might be survivorship bias because only the assholes get noticed, but .ml has a pretty shitty reputation because of them.
also lemmy.ml
