Fuck Iran. Their government is way worse than Israel’s. Do I need to remind everyone that they’re feeding Russia with the drones that they use to attack civilians in Ukraine?
Here’s hoping that Iran’s next revolution won’t end up in a total disaster like the previous one did.
Except Germany keeps delivering weapons to Israel, gives them diplomatic and political coverage, and apparently even has planes in the air to support Israeli fighter jets in their attacks on Iran.
you think WW3 is starting because of Israel? Can I also get under the rock your been living under, must be nice there.
https://xcancel.com/josemendes2/status/1934190961719972153#m
Except we are once again fighting on the side of genocide.
Serbia when we realize we are not responsible for WW3:
They have a big share in the current state of affairs, whether it is the genocide of the Palestinian people or the complete failure of Europe. the German state hasn’t changed a fucking bit
What is meant by “complete failure of Europe”?
I’m being hyperbolic, but whenever tensions hit the EU members will just go back to their old ways, the idea European states will somehow unify in face of a threat is absolutely laughable, no Belgian soldier will ever take orders from a polish sergeant.
When the question was asked of “How will we pay for covid” The dutch gov was instantly saying they “won’t pay for those lazy southerners”
The EU alliance always was about monetary gain, not building an actual coherent political entity.
They are complicit in supporting and arming Israel as well as supporting the genocide.
Germans when they realise WW2 was caused by an man from Austria
Germans when they realise WW1 was caused by the assassination of the archduke of Austria and the subsequent declaration of war from Austria-Hungary on Serbia.
You could say Austria is responsible, but Hitler was in Germany, so WW2 is kinda our problem…
They sure are trying their hardest to help start it though
Well if they didn’t genocide all those millions of innocent Jews 80 years ago, western countries wouldn’t accept the invasion and genocide in Palestine over the last decades
Israel: we wouldn’t have started it without Germany’s security guarantees!
They also might not be a zionist county. Hard to say what things would look like now if dumbassery 1 & 2 hadn’t occurred.
Germany is the second largest provider of weapons to Israel, and a huge longtime consumer of Russian gas, this is a tonedeaf as hell meme.
Lol 😂🤡
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That DE40 has not been going up since the terrorist act by the US of blowing up NS2 and the ‘sanctions’ on themselves making them buy wildly expensive fracking gas from the US.
EU can’t compete and their economy is dying.
BASF, Thyssen-Krupp,etc… all closing down shop and reorganising.
A nice fertile ground for creating more AfD fascists, exactly the same as in the 1930’s.
And again the prospect of getting trashed on the eastern front just like their opa’s.Little bro wrote an essay in response to “lol”
Triggered much lmao
Please dont mistake the German government for the entirety of Germany. I would say, that the support for Israel has massively decreased, due to their genocide. Our government however, does not fucking care.
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Hey, our government is not licking the US/pissrahell genocider boot any less is it?
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They’re highly complicit in Israel’s actions.
Germany has great PR, it plays itself as such a progressive nation free of hate or want. It’s bullshit when you look beyond the surface
They also ditched nuclear energy and stayed over reliant on russian fossil fuel, funding the Russian war machine
Now we’re funding the US regime war machine after they blew up NS2 and ‘sanctions’.
Paying extortion prices for dirty US fracking gas that make companies uncompetitive and causing the economy to collapse.
The US leeches always profit from war, same as in WW2.The nuclear rods in Europe are mainly made with Uranium from Kazakhstan processed in Russia.
The German failure was not expanding renewables. Getting out of nuclear energy is geopolitically and financially sound.
Not when coal and gas fill the void. They can get fuel rods from France, Canada, China. Hell Germany could just refine their own, Niger is looking for trading partners.
France works together with Russia in the nuclear industry.
Also in 2023 none of the European supply came from China. Almost half came from Russia/Kazakhstan
The relationship with Niger is fragile, since Niger kicked out the remaining French troops from France post-colonial presence in West Africa. It seems Niger is instead looking towards Canada.
https://www.neimagazine.com/news/uranium-tensions-subside-in-niger/
And this only represents principal availability, without looking at the costs.
France was forcing Niger to give up its resources for a fraction of market value while keeping them from developing industry. Buy their product at a fair market value, or even better: follow China’s mutual development strategy and provide funds and experts to build a refinery.
China doesnt mine much uranium, but they do fabricated fuel pellets with ore from Kazakhstan.
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These nuclear energy zealots are spilling over from r/europe with the same stupid arguments
Nuclear energy was the answer between like 1950 and 2010. But the fact that China isnt going all in on nuclear despite having optimal conditions; central planning allows them to predict maximum prices for materials and labor available 5-10 years in advance, the scale allows them to produce reactors more efficiently with better investment in tooling than any other country, and being the workshop of the world ensures higher demand than any other country. They are at <5% nuclear right now and expect <10% by 2035.
Always on the wrong side of history.
Not a coincidence that fascism and zionism are twins
Do people actually think the middle east conflict will start ww3?
Israel is currently attacking Iranian Oil and Gas.
Iran could retaliate by closing the Persian Gulf, where 20% of global Oil and Gas shipping goes through and to weaken US, UK and other support for Israel. This could bring these countries onto the plan, but also Israels allies UAE and Saudi Arabia. When more countries join against Iran, China could feel threatened, or see an opportunity in the distraction, Russia will certainly ramp up its efforts in Ukraine. The economic fallout of the explosion in oil and gas prices globally could tip over other conflicts into wars.
This can definitely spiral into another world war. Remember that WW1 was caused by serbian seperatists assasinating the austrio-hungarian crown prince.
WW2 started as a series of separate, regional conflicts that gradually pushed the world to a major war. Japan in China, Italy in Africa, Germany in Central and Eastern Europe.
The world didn’t just wake up on Sept 1st 1939 and say: I guess we at war now. These things always start this way and spiral out of control.
Even the world’s first global conflict, the War of Spanish Succession started with French and Austria fighting over the crown of Spain but various other European powers were dragged in as various regional conflicts coalesced into a major war.
Well, there is Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, India-Pakistan, Sudan, Libya, USA-Canada/Greenland/Mexico…
Iran can draw more aggro if they want but theyre getting pretty fucked as is and probably dont want anymore countries pilling on.
China doesnt care about iran and theyre winning by not being involved while the other super powers get bogged down in war and internal conflict.
Russia doesnt have anything left to increase vs Ukraine unless it goes nuclear.
WW1 was started because both Austria-hungry and Germany (partly) wanted a war. The assassination was the excuse and not the reason.
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That’s not the whole story.
Let’s quickly remind ourselves of what was the situation before the war:
Britain had the strongest naval forces and had a rule saying, that their naval forces should be as strong as the two (other) strongest naval forces together. Germany meanwhile was massively expanding its naval forces to be able to compete with the UK. This caused politic tension and an arms race between Germany and the UK.
France has be politically isolated since the 1870s, but due to the German monarch not caring about the contracts that isolated France, that lost a war to Germany, ran out. At the same time the contracts that caused a situation where if anyone in Europe would have started a war would immediately pull 2-3 other countries into it ran out.
Russia was experiencing inner political tension due to the citizens not being satisfied with the Zar ruling. To counter this it tried shifting the focus away from the inner political problems by gaining influence in the middle east
Autria-Hungary tried to gain more influence in the middle east.
After the assassination Austria Hungary gave Serbia an Ultimatum to allow their forces and government officials to operate in Serbian territory to catch the murderer, who’s suspected to be supported by Russia IIRC, and threatening a war if they didnt comply with the Ultimatum. Germany gave Austria-Hungary safety guarantees stating that if they were to go to war with Serbia, they would support them. Ultimately it came to a war with Serbia. Causing Russia to join, since they also wanted more influence in Serbia.
Germany then decided to Attack France in an preemptive Attack, since France hated Germany due to the lost war and the political Isolation caused by Bismarck. Since the German border with France was heavily guarded they decided to attack Belgium first and the go to France to avoid having to fight against a lot of bunkers. The attack against Belgium caused the UK to join the war in order, who were willing to go to war due to the German threat to their naval dominance.
It isn’t really that easy to say who caused the war, since it was a very complex political climate where everyone was willing to go to war to defend their own interests.
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The glider attack happened in ww2, not ww1.
If you are from Luttich as you say, then in ww1 the part of Belgium where you’re from, was a part of Germany. The German speaking parts of Belgium, namely Eupen and Malmedy, were only allocated to Belgium with the treaty of Versailles (1919). But since you are from the German speaking part of Belgium, you of course already knew this.
For those confused by the place names: in Belgium there is a city called Liège (French speaking) in a province called Liège. Luttich is the German name for Liège. Eupen and Malmedy became a part of the province of Liège in the 1920s.
This is a very novel take of historical revisionism, first time I’ve encountered it.
Do you have any sources other than yourself that support your claim that ww1 was started by Germany attacking Belgium?
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That’s an article about a military campaign in a war that was already on going. The article even has a section called “outbreak of the war”, in which the actual outbreak of the war is explained (which was not Germany invading Belgium). The article does not in any way support your claim that Germany started world war 1 by invading Belgium.
Why are you linking articles and then misrepresenting what is in those articles?
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Bravo, another vague link. Can you explain how what you link to supports your claim?
1 Wikipedia is a garbage source.
2 Russia/Ukraine has nothing to do with it.The wiki article is actually very good. The historical revisionist is just claiming that it says things which it definitely does not.
He is indeed a revisionist or more probably ignorant and stupid from seeing his other comments.
In this case the wiki article looks OK but I stand by my claim about Wikipedia.
It’s useful to look up stuff about flowers, geography, mathematics and other stuff.
But if the subject has the slightest political relevance it can’t be trusted.
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You are OC not right, especially since you’re putting words into my mouth I didn’t say.
Clearly mentioning facts that show you are wrong on WW1 Germany is not ‘defending them’."Russia’s invasion doesn’t have an historical conect they’re inherently evil "
Again didn’t say anything like that, only that it has nothing to do with WW1
What are you saying? Definitely not ‘caused by’.
It was caused by many factors and events.
This was a result and not a cause.
You are also completely wrong that ‘Nobody was fighting before that’.
There was already fighting in eastern Europe.
Could easily be the start of it. If the US civil wars with the orangutan and his ilk, and China starts to fuck with Russia because Xi recognises Putin as a paper tiger dumbass (though China’s army is also paper tigery, so…) or just escalates their fighting with India…
Then… That’d be most of the world involved in war.
Please be respectful of orangutans.
China has absolutely no reason to invade the pile of self-extracting resources that currently can only sell to them.
Germany is Europe’s biggest supporter of Israel.
The biggest issue is that we, the EU, are on the side of Germany now. And their track record with world wars isn’t great.
To be fair to the Germans, I can understand how the Holocaust is integrated into them as a kind of “original sin”. What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself.
The problem is that “nothing of the sort” has translated into “opposing Jews in any way”. It seems to me like Germany sees itself as bound to support Jews (and thereby the Jewish state Israel) no matter what in order to “atone for their sins”, and I can understand that. However, right now, Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we’ve seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust. It’s very hard for Germany to oppose Israel without tickling a part of their history that they’ve done a laudable job at condemning.
What Germany needs now, is to separate their history from their current politics. I understand that it’s difficult, and I don’t have an answer to how it should be done, but it needs to happen, lest the same crimes are committed again.
They could’ve gone down the Humanist route of “Never again shall this be allowed to happen to anyone”, making it about the victims and their human suffering rather than their race, but instead they chose to make it about Race, keeping the way of seeing other human beings from before, just with different untermenschen and ubermenschen.
The visual artifacts of NAZIsm might have been forbidden, but the whole judging and treating people differently depending on their race is a strong as ever.
Their continued support for Israel whilst they’re trying to commit a new Holocaust, shows that Racism as a way of viewing and relating to others in Germany is as strong today as it was in the 1930s.
The Nazis were just as brutal to Russians as they were to Jews, and yet modern Germany has no trouble understanding it shouldn’t support Russia today. The “holocaust guilt” excuse for supporting Israel seems like an excuse
It’s absolutely true that the Holocaust hit several groups with the same brutality as the Jews (Slavs, Romani, Gays, etc.). However when the Holocaust is taught about, it’s usually with a strong focus on Jews and antisemitism. Additionally, Russia has been built up as an adversary throughout the past 50-70 years. With that in mind, I don’t see it as strange that the “Holocaust guilt” is centred around Jews, and that Germany finds it easier to oppose Russia than Isreal.
Germany doesnt care about Jews. The moment Jews are not fitting the box Germany designed for them by not blindly supporting Israel, those Jews are facing the same repressions like anyone else who challenges Germanies blind support for Israel.
German politics, media and parts of civil society think that blind support of Israel is serving certain interests of Germany and they do it purely for these reasons. In particular we see it being used to justify racist discrimination against Arabs and other “brown” people and to crack down with increasing authoritarianism on leftist and ecological political positions.
Like Israeli society they have deluded themselves into thinking that they know better than everyone else in the world what is right and wrong and fail to see, how this actually harms Germany tremendously.
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Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we’ve seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust.
I don’t say this to excuse anything Israel is doing, but this is gross recency bias that is glossing over numerous genocides that have occurred since the Holocaust, including:
- 2020-2022: Tigray Genocide in Ethiopia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_in_Tigray (Est. 162,000 - 600,000 killed)
- 2003-2005: Darfur Genocide in Sudan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_genocide (Est. 98.000 - 500,000 killed)
- 1996-1997: Hutu Genocide in Zaire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Hutus_during_the_First_Congo_War (Est. 200,000 - 233,000 killed)
- 1994: Tutsi Genocide in Rwanda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide (Est. 491,000 - 800,000 killed)
- 1987-1989: Isaaq Genocide in Somolia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaaq_genocide (Est. 50,000 - 200,000 killed)
- 1986-1989: Genocide in Kurdistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anfal_campaign (Est. 50.000 - 182,000 killed)
- 1975-1979 Cambodian Genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide (Est. 1,386,734 - 3,000,000 killed)
- 1971-1979 Uganda Genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Republic_of_Uganda (Est. 100,000 - 500,000 killed)
- 1972 Ikiza Geneocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikiza (Est. 80.000 - 300,000 killed)
- 1971 Bangladesh Genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide (Est. 300,000 - 3,000,000 killed)
Not technically genocides, but also worth mentioning in the same vein:
- 1959-1961 Chinese Famine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine (Est. 15,000,000 - 55,000,000 killed)
- 1930-1953 Soviet Gulag: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag (Est. 1,500,000 - 1,700,000 killed)
So ya, other than those events, this is the closest thing to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust.
It’s laudable of you to bring attention to these other atrocities. Without creating a “race to the bottom” regarding what was worse, I still want to point out that the horror of the Holocaust was not only in the number of killed.
I’m aware of a couple of the atrocities you mentioned, but as far as I’m aware, they don’t carry the clinical state-sponsored efficiency that is a hallmark of the Holocaust. When I compare Gaza today to the holocaust, that’s what I’m comparing, rather than the number of killed. It’s about the way Isreal has decided to wipe out the population of Gaza, and systematically does so completely unhindered.
The problem is that Germans now just look generally pro-genocidal.
This is a classic problem of going into one ditch, then oversteering and hitting the opposite ditch.
Germany has worked so hard on “The Holocaust was terrible, we will forever support the Jews to make up for it” that they’re now supporting a genocidal Jewish state.
My point is that I understand why this is hard for them. For them to oppose Israel invokes some associations that they really want to keep far away. However, now, supporting Israel invokes the same associations. This puts them in a kind of catch-22 situation, where no matter what they do, they’re invoking associations to the Nazis.
To be clear: I think the only right thing to do now is to oppose Israel. I just understand why that is exceptionally hard for Germany.
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You’re wilfully ignoring the historical context that makes it hard for Germany to oppose Israel. By doing so, you’re not helping anyone.
If that were the reason, Germany would also have trouble opposing Russia. Yet they don’t.
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Don’t you see that if you want to effect change, it helps to understand why Germany is doing what they’re doing now?
I have no idea what brings the ICC into this, I’m not aware of cases against any other country than Isreal here.
By the way, how does trying to understand why people are doing what they do make me an asshole? I’m trying to be civil here, and I think you’re being very impolite.
Well put! It’s a shame that they put all focus on supporting their primary victim and so little on never again allowing their actions. Their word would weigh heavy thou if they ever stepped on that land mine.
Maybe it’s time for a redemption arc.
