Wow that makes the pace of new feature development all the more striking.
It’s pretty normal for new software to have a fast pace of new feature development, and for software that has established itself somewhat to have slower pace. Especially as fast pace means accumulating tech debt that you have to work on later
Yeah. One is written in python and the other in Rust for example.
Yea, Python has a tendency to be fast to work on at the start, but once the system reaches a certain level of complexity, it gets unwieldy… Rust doesn’t run into the same problem, but takes a bit more up-front work on the small scale. At least that is my experience working with both professionally.
Yeah it’s amazing
I think it all comes down to using python instead of Rust right?
While some will claim that, I personally believe it’s just as simple as the dev(s) doing good work. Code practices and readability goes a long way.
Both languages have relative popularity, but both are easy to debug, easy to work with. Both are good at what they do. Rust has an edge with raw speed and python with its community packages.
Looking at both codebases, I can tell you Piefed is immensely easier to parse and potentially make changes to. Lemmy is very hard to get into. At least for me. Don’t get me wrong, both are awesome, but Lemmy is significantly harder to figure out what is going on.
Source: 18+ year software dev here.
not quite. While it’s true that rust has a reputation for taking longer to write and release in, green field development is a lot easier to work in than stuff that already has a lot of moving parts and places that you need to consider the affects of changing one thing to somewhere else.
That is definitely a strong factor.
can we say that it is insanely cheap?
for an online platform competing with the big social media companies a total of less than 500 per month is nothing.
want to know the cost per active user per month and compare when Reddit and Facebook overhead.
That’s specifically development funding. The hosting cost/funding is separate on an instance by instance basis, most likely the majority of funding comes from whoever owns/operates the instance.
you’re forgetting about hosting, administration, and moderation! Don’t forget to donate to your instance folks
Can I make a one-time donation?
One-time donations aren’t properly supported yet, but you can discontinue your donation immediately after initiating the first payment.Kofi accepts one time donations.
Yeah that’s something I’ve been needing to do for a while.
You can do one-time donations via Liberapay. Just select the option to be reminded to renew instead of automatically renewing. You’ll get an email that reminds you to renew when the time is up, but you can just ignore it.
Warms my heart that people clearly care so much about keeping Lemmy going 😁
I moved to Piefed because the Lemmy devs are pro-fascist tankies. I can provide proof.
can you provide proof?
https://lemmy.world/post/24798
https://fediversereport.com/lemmy-ask-you-anything-again/
https://sh.itjust.works/post/6776825
They responded to the accusations with the following press-releases, but I’m not convinced:
https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-06-17_-_Update_from_Lemmy_after_the_Reddit_blackout
Your proof is that someone got angry that their post got removed for bigotry?
I might switch or have both Lemmy and PieFed profiles. When you moved to PieFed, was it possible to sync or import your data from Lemmy? Comments, posts, upvotes, etc.
You can import your Lemmy settings, which are the subscribed and blocked communities, instances and users, and saved posts as well
you can import/export the settings from lemmy to piefed.
If you have to slander us, at least try to make it believable.
It’s written, so it’s libel in the USA. Not sure where you are or if it’s different.
I’m not a lawyer and people don’t speak English in my country. So I don’t really care how it works on another continent, as long as you get the meaning.
I’m not picking at you, just noting that libel usually carries harsher penalty.
Ignoring the “fascist” criticism, the fact that you reply to this with Fidel Castro as your PFP is amusing.
I’m glad that you are amused.
I hate tankies, but I think Castro had great socialist policies to provide good education and healthcare to all. It’s silly to assume something from simply appearances and profile pics because that would be dumb as fuck
It seems a lot of people especially from the US are still suffering from red scare propaganda. Anyway its just an avatar to give a human face to my online accounts without using my real face.
First you gotta ask Dessalines why he’s banning people for shit like this and then hiding it under Rule 1.
https://lemmy.world/post/32825174
https://lemmy.world/post/32776038
https://lemmy.world/post/32720652
https://lemmy.world/post/32425984And here’s your other admin, Davel
https://lemmy.world/post/32627834
Oh yeah, and the time you guys federated with Hexbear and were all buddy-buddy with their tankiejerk comments in the announcement post.
First you can explain why some people are so obsessed with lemmy.ml that they keep posting about every little thing that happens and even organize a “boycott” (lol). Personally I completely ignore all the politics communities on Lemmy, it’s much more relaxed this way.
whines about politics, yet has account on extremist tankie instance of politics. you’re no better than conservatives to be honest, they use the same exact denial-speak.
Where am I whining?
Dessalines: is an asshole to people.
People: “We don’t like you.”
What part of this is confusing to you? Dude literally won’t post off .ml because he can’t handle any push back or criticism without having the banhammer ready.
But who is people?
Are you trying to pull a Regina George, or…? I think it’s pretty clear why people abhor your instance when everyone’s getting a piece of it from the very admins.
Anyway, we’re not talking about that. You said it was slander, and there you have it, it turns out it’s not.
Thats a character from “Mean Girls”? Never watched that series. Those who abhor lemmy.ml could simply ignore it, there are plenty of tools available. Instead some people spend all day complaining about it. Seems so pointless and exhausing when they could do something useful with their time instead, and post about things that they like.
Yes, the movie Mean Girls. Regina tyrannizes the whole school, antagonizes everyone and she’s all, “why are you so obsessed with me”? Like, gurl, why do you think?
But like I said, I was only replying to you about the slander. We wouldn’t have those receipts if people didn’t post them when they happened in the first place. But my question is, if the whole point of Lemmy is to have the transparency that Reddit lacks, why are the admins discouraging people from looking, painting it all as an obsession?
Raise your hand if you’ve been personally victimized by Lemmy.ml
“pro-fascist” and “tankie” are polar opposites. There is a clear contradiction in your claim.
Or you used the liberal definition where fascist means “not white enough” and tankie means the same…
Does piefed have an iOS client yet?
Voyager and Mlem have both recently introduced basic Piefed support, and I believe both plan to expand it in the near future.
Dont know, but why do you need an app when it is an http sandbox for the mobile site that already works in a browser?
Why does every fucking thing need an app? Just use the website. It looks and works the exact same way, but doesn’t send telemetry to Apple or Google.
Now calculate the donations per active user and the difference becomes very small.
41425 MAU/$4250.39 = 9.74…/$1
1629 MAU/$60.86 = 26,76…/$1
Turns out the difference did not, in fact, become very small
But… That is the exact opposite of what the comment asked for
assuming your numbers are correct:
4250,39 $ ÷ 41425 MAU = 0,1026 $/MAU
60,86 $ ÷ 1629 MAU = 0,0374 $/MAU
edit: formating
Both of those things demonstrate the same point:
Lemmy has more funding per user (or, similarly, fewer users per dollar) by a large margin
They do yes
does not change the fact though :D
Sure, in a pedantic sense they did the wrong thing ;P
The Lemmy money is spread across 3 devs or so? And they have been writing it since 2018 or something. It’s not surprising that they have more momentum and name recognition.
PieFed is new and on Codeberg. Especially the Codeberg thing, I like. It does lack a CI though. How stable is it?
It breaks all the time but usually only for a tiny bit of time.
It has a docker setup, so in theory a good ci could start with just making sure that runs. Then we get the nicities like testing, e2e, deployment, ect …
Codeberg has been stable enough for my small usage. It does have a CI, woodpecker, that requires manual approval. I haven’t used their CI yet
I meant that https://codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi doesn’t have a CI setup.
Ah, my apologies!
Rimu really needs to hustle these days.
No money for tankie devs!
Look man I rlly don’t like the tankies but I still think its okay for a couple hardworking devs to get by. They’re not getting rich from this.
People keep acting like these people need to be boycotted as if they were Jeff Bezos or something. It’s just some devs working on this shit out of the good in their heart.
I mean you can always find an excuse not to donate
There are other projects. Lemmy isn’t the only activity pub app.
I’m honestly looking for any reasonable excuse I can to donate. I had a conversation with the devs back when they were begging across Lemmy a few months ago, and I told them that even if they just committed to stop moderating on .ml (while still running it as admins as their test instance), I’d set up a recurring donation.
But as we can clearly see from their ridiculous behavior recently as recorded on the various tankiejerk communities, they have not done so, and so I am not morally comfortable with sending them any money.
The ball’s in their court.
Edit: Remember, folks, that when baited by someone from lemmygrad or hexbear, the only correct response is to not engage.
First you people complained that donations were paying for lemmy.ml hosting. As soon as that was addressed you moved the goalposts to something different. Clearly it makes no sense to jump through hoops for people who are never going to donate anyway.
I don’t know what other people said. My problem has always been that the donations pay for Dessalines to be everything he claims to hate about reddit.
Of the two us us Dessalines is the one who needs funding the least, he was fine with the previous donation amount of 1000 Euros per dev. Im the one who created the call for donations because I have two small children to feed. So whether you donate or not isnt going to change Dessalines’ mind at all.
Maybe talk to him about his behavior then, and how it impacts you.
The way I see it funding for Lemmy development is entirely separate from lemmy.ml moderation. That is something for the local admins and users to decide, and they are happy with the status quo.
Why are you making this up when you can literally go back and reread our conversation? I’d do it myself just to copy/paste the whole conversation here, but it was on my lemm.ee account and in the lemmy.ee “Lemmy needs more donations” thread so I can’t access it anymore. Feel free to do so - I have nothing to hide.
Being this disingenuous isn’t winning you any points.
Edit: Hell, I’m the one who gave ground here. My original stance was that you needed to give up all association with .ml entirely, and I backed off of that position when I heard how necessary it was as a dev instance.
I’m practically bending over backward here to give you money, and you just won’t let me.
Sorry I talked with many dozens of people about this topic and dont remember what you specifically said. In my head it all got mixed together into a single conversation.
The way I see it, funding for Lemmy development is an entirely separate issue from the moderation of lemmy.ml. The moderation for an instance should only be decided by its local admins and users. Imagine lemmy.ml users going around and saying that lemmy.zip must change this or that thing. You would tell them to mind their own business, and with good reason.
I found your reply now, here it is. You were asking for lemmy.ml donations to be separate from other donations. This was already addressed long ago, see here.
Well if you do want to throw donation money anywhere, there is always Piefed now.
Wouldn’t that be bribery?
I’d rather fork it. Rust > Python any day.
Yet the .ml stans say Desselines lives in abject poverty and “does this out of the goodness of his own heart”. Suuuure.
That’s split between him and Nutomic though. USD $4250 is €3,665.80 (as of writing this comment), divided between them is €1,832.90. That’s not a lot.
I mean, it’s equivalent to the minimum salary i guess. I think they’re european, and in france the minimum salary is around 1800€ before taxes. That’s not a lot in the absolute, but in the foss world, it is quite comfortable.
It’s definitely wrong to say we’re poor, no idea where people got that idea. Yet the amount of money we get is very little for a Lead Developer. It also doesn’t allow us to pay any additional developers.
If you split that between 2/3 devs it’s not a lot. It’s a decent part time job, I suppose. But in a lot of places not enough.
where do you live that 4k between multiple people is considered wealthy
