• xantoxis@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    600 miles? Call me when they make one small enough to fit in a car

    heyooooo

  • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    If it were any other company I would be thrilled. With Samsung, this is going to be internet enabled, you’ll need an app to turn your car on and off, and it’ll probably play ads at high volumes constantly while driving.

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      8 months ago

      I know you jest, but Samsung is a massive battery supplier.

      These will be plain old dumb batteries

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        8 months ago

        Are solid state batteries having issues with catching fire? I thought that was liquid batteries? Or is this just like saying everything bad that ever happened with lithium ion batteries will happen with everything else?

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          8 months ago

          It was just a joke, ffs.

          Samsung devices & appliances are notoriously prone to catastrophic failure - as a matter of fact, I actually had a Samsung TV melt itself - which turns out is a common issue (Google “Samsung tv melting corner”).

          Then there’s the Samsung battery fire issues, Samsung refrigerator safety lawsuits, etc.

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      8 months ago

      FTA:

      Apparently, they are also rather expensive to produce, since it warns that they will first go into the “super premium” EV segment of luxury electric cars that can cover more than 600 miles on a charge.

      So yes. Expensive initially.

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    8 months ago

    I’d love to imagine around 20 years later people would be retrofitting old and heavy phone, laptop, and EV batteries with lighter and faster-charging ones…

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    8 months ago

    Needs to be an option to put these into todays EVs. You shouldn’t have to buy a brand new car to get better battery technology.

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      8 months ago

      I like this comment, because Samsung in other areas does indeed get confused about batteries being consumable.

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        8 months ago

        Like their shitty phones. Even the bootloader tyrant huawei has pull-tabs. And of course their phone with the self-destruct feature.

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      8 months ago

      TL;DR: Depends on what you mean.

      Long version:

      Disclaimer: I’m not an expert by any means, I haven’t vetted the links properly (or at all), they’re mostly there for illustration and if you want to read further. Also, the last time I actually read up on this is quite some years ago, so stuff may have changed in the industry and/or my memory on specifics is foggy. Many of the links lead to Tesla sources since I first looked into this topic back before Musk made it known to the public that he’s an insufferable human being.

      Batteries are usually structurally integrated into the chassis with modern EVs, since that means space (and often small weight) savings, and is easier/faster to do in manufacturing.

      With that knowledge, it is safe to assume that replacing a car’s battery is a difficult or next to impossible task, outside of end-of-life reuse.

      But this is actually where it gets interesting, since EV batteries last many years anyways: What happens when the car’s time has come?

      Well… the batteries can be reused. It’s not a trivial process, there’s several ways to do it, but the best intuitive explanation I’ve found is this: In raw ore, lithium and other metals are present at maybe 0.1 or 1%, per tonne of material. In batteries, it’s maybe 99% of reusable, expensive material. Even if you let it be 90 due to inefficiencies in recovery, or whatever, it’ll still make way more sense financially to work with old batteries – once you have the process figured out and automated machinery to get it done in place.

      All that is assuming total destruction of the existing cells, which, depending on their state, may not even be necessary at all. In fact, it looks like all of that may not be needed for as much as >80% of batteries. Wow!

      And we all know the best way to ensure companies are doing something is if the financial aspect aligns with their goals. It’s in their best self-interest to be able to and actually do this.

      So: Replaceability per car – eh, doesn’t look to great. Replaceability across the industry? Perfect.

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      8 months ago

      Thankfully solid state batteries save 30-50% weight compared to current ones so batteries can be a bit smaller than they otherwise would be. This one will likely be 150 kWh.

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    8 months ago

    Hope they arent lipo. Have had two of those balloon up on me so far and wouldnt want one to set my car on fire from thermal runaway

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      8 months ago

      Solid state has zero possibility of doing either of those. That is one of the big selling points. The others are that they are 30-50% get, they last longer, and they can charge faster.