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funny thing is, this was true 40 years ago, and it’s true today.
I love this art style so much.
Oh no, they’re not just going to let it happen. They’ll actively stop us from solving it.
“Sorry kid, I need my 9% returns on these investment funds, and I don’t care where that money comes from.”
I bought this stock from a company called planter or something, it’s going crazy lately
I don’t care where that money comes from.
Unless it’s renewable energy tech, then fuck it, those shitheads can rot in hell!
Well im not having solar panels near my town. They’ll absorb all the sunlight and it’ll be dark!
Windmills slow the planet down!!!
But wouldn’t it be nice if there was more time in a day?
But the windmills will kill all the birds (that there are none left of)!
Not real ones, anyway
And they’ll put more of us on the planet too, because it’s so wonderful here.
Solving? There’s an undeniable solution that has been there as long as the problem has
I’m in favor of completely remove the humans. We should have the tech already.
Which is…?
There’s a pretty public list of who owns the most resources
Stop burning fossil fuels.
That would help, but definitely not stop climate change.
Sure, taking your foot off the accelerator doesn’t technically stop the car.
Either you ration things that warm the planet, or you find a way to cool it directly? Neither of these options can be done at a large enough scale.
Humans have never been good at constraining cultures that gorge on a limited buffet of resources.
Implementing climate control will be costly and is still controversial, especially proposed solutions that require polluting the stratosphere with chemicals.
I’m still optimistic about geoengineering research.
Of course, nobody will want to foot that bill until they’re staring the threat in the eyes.
The problem is Capitalism.
It’s part of it, but not only that
They said that to me when I was a kid… and I was born in the 80s.
And now they’re in retirement.
Fuck them. They should have been in prison thirty years ago.
What?
Those ones were right. We are solving it now, and we either finish solving it or our children will have to deal with resource depletion when their time to shine comes.
Either way, it’s not Global Warming that they will be solving.
They said that to me when I was a kid and I was born in the 60s.
When you’re young you experience the world, when you get older you keep the world working for the young to experience it, and when you’re old you wish you’d made it work better so you could’ve really experienced it.
Boomer: “Climate change will be your burden to suffer through”.
Gen Z: “It’s not fair. You got a full life of profligacy before the effects were even noticeable. I get none of the material wealth and I’m going to have to live my whole long life suffering increasing effects of it.”
Boomer: “Not so long.”
Also boomers: “When are you having kids? I want grandchildren.”
Told my mom I didn’t want kids and she said, “Oh you’ll change your mind”
I came out to my mom as gay and she said “well you can always adopt”
Then I started intense birth control treatments for my fucked up reproductive system and she was like, “you can still adopt”
Yeeted my uterus, cervix, and fallopian tubes just before my bday this summer and threw a fuckin party afterwards because now there is absolutely no way I can ever be a parent AND my reproductive system can’t do whatever the fuck it wants cause it doesn’t exist!
My mom finally accepted that this part of the family tree has ended after that. This while process happened over 18 years. I started telling her I didn’t wanna be a parent when I was TEN.
Edit: I should prolly say that my mom isn’t a boomer, but Gen X. She’s surrounded constantly by boomers and other members of Gen X who act like boomers so she has picked up a lot of the traits. Practically demanding grandchildren was the worst boomer thing she’s done so far, and I hope it stays that way.
Meanwhile. Most Boomers post adoption
They’re not my real grandchildren.
How my grandmother was when my sister was adopted. Never treated her the same as the rest of the grandkids. Even when my sister helped care for the bitch 24/7 while she was living in our home dying of self-inflicted lung cancer.
I was not sad when my grandmother died, if you can tell.
“well you can always adopt”
As if adoption wasn’t an extremely intensive process that goes on for who knows how many years and even then it’s not guaranteed you’ll actually get the kid. Let alone how much it differs from DIY.
Thank you for your service.
What action in my timeline are you referring to as my service lol
Lol. Not having kids is one of the most ethical choices we can make.
Ah. See, I don’t want children because I’m what you call a selfish person and want to live my life completely unbound. Kids would just kill my dreams and the vibe.
The ethical part is just a bonus to make me feel even better about my decision.
This guy’s an anti-natalist, I wouldn’t take seriously anything he fucking says.
Fuck off. Anti-natalism is eugenics and anyone who advocates for it is a Nazi in my eyes. Not to mention 90% of you all just project your major depression and misery into literal 8 year olds. Please just go to therapy.
Every conversation people have about “degrowth” and “the earth has too many people” always leads to someone advocating for eugenics OR LITERAL GENOCIDE. The Earth, right at this moment, can hold ten billion people. The problem is capitalism, consumerism and food waste.
Everything you don’t like or understand is Nazi?
Degrowth. It’s not antinatalism, nor eugenics. But simple people need simple answers. It’s ethically shrinking humanity’s population and consumption to within what the earth can sustain. That’s it.
You know what hole to shove your Nazi bullshit up.
Selfishness incarnate lol
I once saw it described as the Boomers being the “fuck around” generation and Gen Z being the “find out” generation.
A teacher showed us the documentary An Inconvenient Truth and the real truth I learned from that, is that the majority of adults are irresponsible crybabies.
Everyone is just faking it. And those that don’t, don’t have the attention of those that listen.
Our safety manuals are written one disaster at a time, never before.
Its because most people only care about their comfort and convenience right now and in the very near future.
…and oligarchy, and fascism, and income inequality, and decreasing life expectancy, and increasing infant mortality, and more wars, and huge amounts of debt, and job loss, and…
Short version: unchecked capitalism.
But I was told that capitalism checks itself using something called “market forces”.
Turns out “market forces” was just the heavy metal poisoning talking, they were just hallucinating magical economics.
Lead in gasoline and household products really fucked with some generations, hard.
Hey now, those “market forces” are actually the work of the wonderful ‘Invisible Hand’! Which is of course the work of God and is definitely not being manipulated by all those billionaires behind the curtain over there…
Imagine a war against an enemy with known lead poisoning.
That would probably be an easy win
They poisoned themselves with shit from pet stores and farm supplies. They sent death threats to the guy who told them not to inject bleach.
Individually, they may be easy to beat, but as a group they are worse than a zombie apocalypse
Yeah. Those problems totally didn’t exist before capitalism.
Not all at once, no. Fascism didn’t even exist until the 1920s.
Fascism is a modern iteration of an old problem. Not even the worst version of it. Plenty of theocracies and empires in history promoted similar strong group/national identity paired with subjugation of individuals to an authoritarian state.
And fascism is not even compatible with capitalism as it requires state control over industry. It would be more compatible with socialism except that it’s not nationalizing industry for the benefit of the working class explicitly, just the benefit of the nation/state.
Capitalism is also a modern interpretation of an old problem. The idea of material wealth determining worth and power. That’s largely how “might makes right” works with a more economic flavor.
If you think you can’t have state control in capitalism you haven’t been paying attention. China is capitalist country with tons of government controls. They can throw a “communist” label on it, but that have little to no actual communist/socialist ideology.
When the state fully controls your property, it’s not private property and thus not capitalistism. It’s not socialism either, because they still give deference to the original “private” owner.
China is a perfect example of how a fascist country would operate, honestly. It’s frankly annoying that people don’t routinely call it a fascist state and instead call it communist.
Besides that it’s smooth sailing.
… and microplastics, and resource scarcity, and MRSA, and infrastructure collapse, and social media addiction, and …
“We didn’t start the fire…” But you guys threw a bunch of petroleum and coal and tar sands on it
Change resource scarcity to resource hoarding and we have a deal
We’re so close to flying cars
The decreasing life expectancy is largely related to obesity though. There are a lot of obese people who find reasons to blame other than their own self determination. If corporations have made it easy to eat yourself to death, people shouldn’t just let them get away with it by eating themselves to an early death.
I’m glad you brought up personal responsibility, however if you’re buying something from the grocery store, unless it’s raw ingredients, it has shit in it. Even then, in the US the only way to completely avoid nasty shit in food is to produce it yourself or purchase from a local farmers market. Unfortunately many people don’t have the resources to do that. But to your credit, we do seem to be developing some sort of allergy to personal responsibility, especially in regards to personal health and fitness.
If people willingly choose to shorten their life, I don’t consider it a problem.
Now, lying and manipulating people into choosing it, similar to what the cigarette industry did, is obviously a problem.
But at this point, everyone knows cigarettes and processed foods are unhealthy. People just don’t care.
People dont have the energy to care. They’re spending all of it trying to keep their families fed, clothed, and under a roof.
I’m so fucking tired of people pushing personal responsibility for systematic problems. People are kept intentionally under educated and do not have the resources to learn. No not everyone “knows” ultra processed foods are bad. Most people can’t even properly defined ultra processed foods and default to calling them processed foods which covers basically everything you find in a store besides produce.
We have a circus we gotta run out of town first
This comic is TERRORISM according to Trump’s Republican Party!
This comment is anticapitalist and therefore terrorist…
Lemmy is anticapitalist and therefore blocked by the Great American Firewall.
Dissidents will be reported.
Hopefully Trump will die of a stroke before before his third term
“WE ARE ALL DOMESTIC TERRORISTS” -CPAC 2022
Yep. And your generation will do the same, and it will go on like this until it can’t be ignored anymore, because that’s what humans do, whatever the age.
It literally cannot be ignored anymore.
“You don’t miss the water until the well runs dry” has never been a more true expression. People expect that if something is going wrong here’d be immediate and apparent consequence. It seems like a vast majority of people completely lack the skill of extended foresight, where one can look at a current situation and see how it can accumulate into a worse situation later.
A great example of this was my mom during COVID-19:
“All this pandemic talk is just nonsense. I’m not seeing people dying on the streets, now, am I?”
If the effects of climate change aren’t immediately apparent with some big global disaster happening overnight, then it’s not a big issue or simply not real.
If eating something that causes long term health risks doesn’t immediately make you sick overnight then it’s not a big issue or simply not real.
I agree with everything you’re saying.
And unfortunately as a life-long resident of white suburban america, I know how comfortable life still is for so many people, and how the culture of “ignore that problem and we’ll be fine” continues to pay off for people with a little privilege in their life.
As for your last point, that is literally how I feel because I know for a fact that I will die from water wars before it matters
If water wars start in my lifetime, it’s game over for me. I will not let myself live through that shit.
Check out Ethiopia and Egypt, Pakistan and India, China and Vietnam/Laos.
Some are more hot than others but these are all conflicts over lowering water levels and increasing demand. Even within the USA, there are conflicts between states in the southwest and with Mexico over the Colorado river kind of… Just not existing anymore.
That’s what I’m saying, people don’t deal with problems until they’re forced to.
And climate change, while having effects all over the world, doesn’t affect everyone with the same intensity, so the luckiest among us can afford to ignore the problem longer than the rest. Of course the luckiest usually are also the ones with the most power to deal with these issues.
until it can’t be ignored anymore
At which point the fascist governments people have voted into power will keep on going as they were while murdering some convenient scapegoats, until mass scale industrialised human society collapses, never to recover because we used up all our resources.
Edit: I honestly think people don’t quite understand that once all this bullshit collapses, there will probably never be another high tech civilisation on Earth again: all the easily extractable resources will have been used up, and the amount of energy required to extract more would be higher than what will be available once oil-based hydrocarbons have been more or less used up. Magic batteries that require a ton of resources won’t fix the situation, and we have no large scale replacement for oil.
The large scale replacement for oil is the original source of that energy, the sun. Sure it will take a while, but high technology (read small computers) doesn’t actually require hydrocarbons, it just requires knowledge of physics. Modern society is based on hydrocarbon fuels because they’re so convenient, but that doesn’t mean it’s required for any of our technology to function. We will likely be combusting hydrocarbons for the rest of our existence, they’re just too convenient for energy storage, but the source of those hydrocarbons could easily be specialized cyanobacteria farms or direct chemical synthesis. Both of those technologies already exist, but we have never done any significant investment in them because they would have to compete with basically picking up what’s already lying around. In the absence of significant oil deposits we will be forced to make those technologies work.
All that still requires other resources though, and I’m not convinced that something like direct synthesis would be viable considering the energy use – renewables don’t generate energy from thin air, but the systems usually require eg. rare earth materials (which need to be mined, which currently takes oil, and then the systems need to be produced which requires more energy)
You may not know this but oil comes from cyanobacteria or algae blooming, dieing, and falling to the bottom of ancient lakes. We can farm them better than they could ever grow on their own in nature, just like we do with corn, rice, wheat, and a hundred other crops. The only complex part would be the scale required. We have the technology to industrialize hydrocarbon production that way today. Life isn’t magic, so there’s no reason we couldn’t do direct synthesis with more controlled processes. And yeah it’s going to require resources. Everything does. It’s just pretty fatalistic to think we won’t be able to bootstrap ourselves up to current technologies without oil when we’ve already done it once before. Oil just makes scale possible, not the technology itself.
Hence my hate for them. Fucking dicks the lot of them.
Keep kicking it down the street.
I remember a similar comment made by one my highschool teachers. Because I was such a try-hard cringe edge lord I said something like “if my generation got rid of your generation, then we’ve solved that problem”.
Amazing that you had enough knowledge to answer like that in the first place. Looking back on my school days, I was so uninformed about so many important things: climate, politics - you name it.
Looking at this more benevolently, the teacher might be wishing that this kid’s generation will end up being more conscious and willing to act than his own.
Yah I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the message in the context it’s presented. It’s a fucking teacher. They are already doing not just the most they can, but also doing something far more effective than butting heads with a corporate-driven world at a time when environmentalism was seen as fringe and ludicrous by most people on Earth.
It would be different if it was some wealthy corporate CEO saying “I’m leaving this for the next generation to solve.”
I remember a time that even a teacher saying this to a student would be considered inappropriate activism about a controversial topic.
I remember a time that even a teacher saying this to a student would be considered inappropriate activism about a controversial topic.
…Like right now?
From my perspective (millenial) raised in a conservative area, climate change discussion went from ‘kinda iffy in the past’ to approved to expected, then suddenly lurched to more taboo than I’ve ever seen.
I can’t even discuss it with my college-educated older relatives without them ranting about it. It’s a total taboo; they think I’m nuts for even bringing it up as an existential problem.
I can only imagine what parents would say if teachers said that now.
I’m sure it varies a lot from area to area, in the US especially, but having grown up in the olden times, there was in fact a time when the idea of climate change was about as fringe as flat-earth and aliens, and even talking about it like it’s a serious issue would get most people removed from their positions or laughed at by the population broadly.
There are a lot of teachers who now encourage and promote climate science. How much of that is actually heard and accepted? That’s a whole other issue as our education system is now eroding well below whatever standards we had or should have had.
In most of the developed world climate change is now being accepted broadly by even many conservatives, but the new argument is if the change is human-caused or if it’s even harmful (literally, there is a oft-recycled argument on the right that higher carbon levels will mean healthier plants and forests.)
There is a current narrative regression going on right now simply because of Trump and entirely because of Trump, giving people the validation and support to pretend climate change isn’t real, but it’s temporary. I’ve seen how leadership influences societies and how radically the figurehead of our country changes how people think and feel. It doesn’t matter what he says or makes other people think though, the world is broadly preparing the best we can anyway, with many coastal cities and the Navy creating plans for giant infrastructure projects.
Stupid generations war. As stupid as men vs women, religion vs religion etc. It should be smart people vs stupid greedy sociopaths
Class war is the only war that will get us out of this.
It won’t either. Class cold wars can get you some results, but hot wars are always damaging to everybody.
And simply blaming older people also hides the problem of global inequality and exploitation of the third world. Most elderly in my country only faced food insecurity and hyperinflation when younger, and their environmental impact for all the time they’re alive is smaller than the environmental impact of a current teenager in the usa.
