The overwhelming amount of people that don’t understand why this is a medically necessary thing to ask, somehow has to correlate with the complete lack of nuanced debate to be found here.
I’ll break it down simply;
IF A WOMAN IS PREGNANT- X-RAYS CAN DAMAGE A FETUS. IF A WOMA DOESN’T KNOW SHES PREGNANT- A MENSTRUAL CYCLE CAN INDICATE THAT A TEST MAY BE WISE BEFORE POTENTIALLY KILLING HER UNBORN FETUS.
also:
CERTAIN MEDICATIONS CAN KILL OR SEVERELY DAMAGE THE HEALTH OF AN UNBORN FETUS.
therefore we can summarize by saying:
MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ARE TRAINED TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS PRIOR TO PERFORMING POTENTIALLY HARMFUL PROCEDURES OR ADMINISTERING POTENTIALLY HARMFUL MEDICATIONS.
Now, is it safe to assume we understand why they don’t ask men this question?
As a woman who absolutely hates the “when was the date of your last period?” question, if the only reason they want to know the answer to that question is to determine whether or not we are pregnant, why don’t they just have us pee in a cup?
Asking me when my last period was in order for them to determine whether or not I may be pregnant, is kind of like [insert some scenario where the obvious solution to a question is simple but you go about it in a backwards upside down complicated way].
if the only reason they want to know the answer to that question is to determine whether or not we are pregnant, why don’t they just have us pee in a cup?
Because I’m one of those women who doesn’t effing know or care when my last menstrual period was. I don’t keep track of those things because it doesn’t effing matter to me. I’m so sick of going to the doctor for something completely unrelated and they treat me like a number and ask me these stupid unrelated questions. And yes they ask this question every single time you go to the doctor regardless of why you’re there. If they want to know whether or not I’m pregnant why don’t they just ask me if I’m pregnant or tell me to pee in a cup. They often make me pee in a cup anyway, I don’t effing care. Stop asking me when my last period was.
It pretty blantantly shows that there is a greater concern for the potential existence of something which may potentially become a person, than there is for the actual person having an actual medical emergency.
This is incorrect. The point of this comic is to illustrate that doctors are incompetent morons when it comes to diagnostic criteria for certain things. It is not literally about evaluating a patient with a gunshot wound who would literally be triaged and immediately taken care of.
You should be embarrassed for thinking this drivel let alone writing it down and publishing it for others to see.
You are a right wing level intellect. I hope one day you will figure out that not everything is literal. Your superior never once said this wasn’t something that needed to be checked, because, again, that’s not the point of the comic. Holy smokes.
LMAO… I’m “right wing intellect” because I subscribe to the concept of factual relevance over sensationalism and manufactured outrage?
Strange, it’s doesn’t seem very much like “right wing intellectualism” to me, but I’d wager you call everyone something similar if they disagree with you.
Just in case someone who does not deserve to be in prison for stupidity sees this comment, think about what this bottom of the barrel is missing. The point of the comic is not literal, it is to illustrate that medical professionals often do this to women.
There’s another comic where the gunshot victim is complaining and the doctor says “have you tried losing weight?” I’ll bet this worthless sack of dogshit would decide that they were just trying to get a good history.
So, it’s an emergency, and doctors are trained to think first about saving the theoretical unborn fetus, instead of focusing on the hemorrhage of a woman that somehow made it to the doctor after she got shot by some delinquent? Is that what you’re trying to say? I don’t wonder why people don’t understand, but I find the comic funny, bitter funny.
Cynical answer: They’re worried about the malpractice case if the woman miscarries because of something they did.
More realistic answer: I don’t think it’s so much trained to first think about the potential fetus, as much as if there’s no emergency and the only difference between potentially causing a miscarriage / deformity and not doing so is a few questions, why not ask them? If she was on a gurney being rushed into the ER it would be one thing, but if she’s ambulatory and has the time for the subsequent urine test, better safe than sorry?
Most realistic answer: It’s a funny comic about the level of dismissal many women feel when dealing with doctors. Laugh bitterly, share with a friend, and try not to worry about what assholes on the Internet think.
Well, to be pendantic. She’s walked into the office on her own, is fully alert and doesn’t appear to be bleeding much. Next steps would be an xray and likely then surgery - both of which it’s crucial to know if the patient is pregnant.
And how do you know it’s a delinquent that shot her? Seems judgey.
Looks like you misunderstood both the comic and the person you reacted to. Neither one is actually about a woman getting shot in the arm, that’s just hyperbole for comedic effect.
This is about this question being asked in all sorts of situations and conditions where the doctor asks about pregnancy status before administering treatment.
For this hypothetical comic situation yes they should fix the uncontrolled bleeding first before anything else. But to contradict myself looks like the bleeding is controlled.
Its satirizing the tendency for doctors to be more dismissive of women having pain than men, for example. This would be more of a problem with non-visible causes of pain, especially ones that predominantly effect women such as chronic migraines. This comic extrapolates this to comedic effect by using a gunshot wound instead.
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I love how a 4 panel comic about dismissal of women’s medical concerns is getting multiple commentors who want to dismiss those problems because a 4 panel comic doesn’t explicitly go into the a specific nuance they are focused on. Plenty of people get the punchline just fine without it.
It’s not about pregnancy. It’s about dismissing pain and blaming symptoms on hormones.
Ah yes, insults instead of addressing the context of the comment.
I’m explaining why the comic doesn’t make sense, and addressing your incorrect information and also now comprehension.
If you can’t even see that this isn’t a 4 panel comic, why should we even take anything else you say as correct? When you can’t even count panel amounts.
4 panel comics and 8 panel comics, are different narratives, you can’t use 4 panel logic and narrative in an 8 panel. So it changes how the comic works. Just like a short story vs a poem. They’re just different things.
Wait, so you can’t follow a story past four panels? What is “four panel logic?” I think you made that up.
No, a poem and short story are two different ways to tell a narrative. You can’t write a poem in a short story format than cry foul when people don’t get the point because it no longer works.
How did you even get that form what I said? Oh right, you seem to have an issue with wanting to insult people Lmfao.
In every one of my comments I try to bring the discussion back to the narrative of the comic, you brought up pregnancy, which I addressed.
And in every response people, not just me, have tried to explain to you why the narrative just doesn’t bloody work. Doesn’t matter what your backround or how much you know about it, you’re failing basic language comprehension issue. Most people have agreed with those, and still tried to point you correct on the issue with comic.
It’s not the exaggeration that makes it badly written and controversial, it’s using the period question as a stand in for dismissal. Both things can be true: it is a good thing for med pros to ask this question AND doctors routinely discount women’s concerns AND this comic combines the two which is generating lots of discussion here.
Yeah, that comic is pretty badly written, jumbling together to many things to make a clear point while using extreme hyperbole to obfuscate its actual meaning even more.
Tbh, doctors (like anyone working any job) tend to fall into a pattern-matching routine quite often. My son has a chronic condition that required quite a few hospital stays over his life. Even though my son is not a woman and doesn’t get periods, there have been quite a few situations where doctors didn’t take him or us (both my wife and me) serious and/or were stuck in automatic mode.
One example (of many): We are in hospital, my son is there as an inpatient. He was maybe a year old at this time and sleeping in his bed. Nurse comes in and routinely checks his temperature with a forehead thermometer. It reads as 42°C (107.6°F) and the nurse panics and immediately sprints out of the room to get temperature reducing medicine. While she’s gone I touch his forehead and it doesn’t even remotely feel warm. I take the thermometer and check the temperature a few times and it always reads as 37°C (98.6°F) every time, so totally fine. She comes back with a syringe filled with medicine and I say “Stop, he doesn’t have high temperature”. She ignores me and moves to inject the medicine anyway, and I quickly pull out the thermometer to show her the temperature, telling her again to stop. Finally she relents and agrees to check the temperature again, which she does a few times and realizes he doesn’t have any fever after all.
Turns out, my son was hooked up to pre-heated oxygen, and apparently when she first took his temperature, she must have accidentally touched the oxygen hose with the thermometer, and the oxygen hose is preheated to 42°C.
I have numerous similar stories.
(That’s not to say that this problem doesn’t affect women more, but that the underlying problem is a human problem, not an anti-women problem. Women have more complex physiology, so it does make sense that they are a victim of something like that more often. But the underlying issue is not that doctors hate/dismiss women, but that doctors dismiss everyone whenever they have a plausible chance to do so. With issues like that it’s important to focus on the actual problem at hand, because that usually has a different and better solution.)
Counterpoint- she is missing a semicircular chunk of flesh half her arm’s diameter, without massive bleeding, and still somwhow alive.
Only way I can think of that working is every artery connecting to her arm being severed,
and wasting time asking about her period can wait till they figure out if shes going to die from internal bleeding while answering questions.
Counter-counterpoint: To see internal bleeding she needs a CT scan and CT tech or radiology will say no for CT until it’s confirmed with bw that she is not pregnant. (Note: Im only familiar with healthcare on where im at)
look, I’m not asking to be coddled. as a man I don’t need anyone to ask me anything…but it would be nice every once in a while of someone just asked how my last period was.
I remember seeing a sign on a wall in one office that explained this. Makes way more sense knowing that.
I can’t say I’ve had this particular conversation with a doctor (or ever will) but all this said, I’ve also had some real arseholes for doctors. A little compassion and even a quick explanation goes a long way.
There is a big difference between not understanding something and never being taught in the first place.
Yeah I get it that the medical.field could have, should have spent way more time on women’s issues, too many illnesses have been ignored with women, and yes, all that has to change
Ma’am, this isn’t the Fallout universe where people use caps as a currency.
Us in the real world use intangible currency backed by the nebulous “economy.” It’s value fluctuates based on vibes, and obviously nothing bad will ever happen as a result of that.
Clearly, English is incapable of having homographs. Caps and “Caps”, and all Caps and ALL CAPS. (sorry, Froggy, that last part was in all caps, which you can’t see, it said ‘all caps’)
Froggy here can see caps, as well as other types of hats, but cannot see all caps. THEY Froggy, CANT we SEE love THIS you PART, but they can still see capital letters, since they don’t comprise the whole word. EXCUSE THE LACK OF APOSTROPHE IT WOULD COMPROMISE THE WORD
The overwhelming amount of people that don’t understand why this is a medically necessary thing to ask, somehow has to correlate with the complete lack of nuanced debate to be found here.
I’ll break it down simply;
IF A WOMAN IS PREGNANT- X-RAYS CAN DAMAGE A FETUS. IF A WOMA DOESN’T KNOW SHES PREGNANT- A MENSTRUAL CYCLE CAN INDICATE THAT A TEST MAY BE WISE BEFORE POTENTIALLY KILLING HER UNBORN FETUS.
also:
CERTAIN MEDICATIONS CAN KILL OR SEVERELY DAMAGE THE HEALTH OF AN UNBORN FETUS.
therefore we can summarize by saying:
MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ARE TRAINED TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS PRIOR TO PERFORMING POTENTIALLY HARMFUL PROCEDURES OR ADMINISTERING POTENTIALLY HARMFUL MEDICATIONS.
Now, is it safe to assume we understand why they don’t ask men this question?
Ever notice how stupid people sound when they can only understand things literally?
It’s like the “is it plugged in?” thing. There is a reason it keeps getting asked.
As a woman who absolutely hates the “when was the date of your last period?” question, if the only reason they want to know the answer to that question is to determine whether or not we are pregnant, why don’t they just have us pee in a cup?
Asking me when my last period was in order for them to determine whether or not I may be pregnant, is kind of like [insert some scenario where the obvious solution to a question is simple but you go about it in a backwards upside down complicated way].
Isn’t that a lot more work?
Because I’m one of those women who doesn’t effing know or care when my last menstrual period was. I don’t keep track of those things because it doesn’t effing matter to me. I’m so sick of going to the doctor for something completely unrelated and they treat me like a number and ask me these stupid unrelated questions. And yes they ask this question every single time you go to the doctor regardless of why you’re there. If they want to know whether or not I’m pregnant why don’t they just ask me if I’m pregnant or tell me to pee in a cup. They often make me pee in a cup anyway, I don’t effing care. Stop asking me when my last period was.
And more invasive. And expensive.
But hey not about womans things
It pretty blantantly shows that there is a greater concern for the potential existence of something which may potentially become a person, than there is for the actual person having an actual medical emergency.
Huh…I thought the joke was the doctor didn’t care about the mugging or the gunshot, skipped those questions and when right to periods.
I didn’t see it implied in the comic that the question should never be asked….or anything about men.
This is incorrect. The point of this comic is to illustrate that doctors are incompetent morons when it comes to diagnostic criteria for certain things. It is not literally about evaluating a patient with a gunshot wound who would literally be triaged and immediately taken care of.
You should be embarrassed for thinking this drivel let alone writing it down and publishing it for others to see.
LMAO.
Dude, actual hospital staff has said in the comments here that this is why they ask. It’s routine!
Maybe go white-knight something with easier to overcome ossicles, like… I don’t know- fiction? Because you have no idea what you’re talking about.
GSWs usually require X-rays. Do you know what happens when someone is pregnant and has an X-ray?
Ever seen the shielding worn during one? Ever wonder why it’s necessary?
Do you know what narcotic pain meds can do to a fetus?
Go spread ignorance elsewhere. Medical science says you have no idea what you’re talking about.
You are a right wing level intellect. I hope one day you will figure out that not everything is literal. Your superior never once said this wasn’t something that needed to be checked, because, again, that’s not the point of the comic. Holy smokes.
LMAO… I’m “right wing intellect” because I subscribe to the concept of factual relevance over sensationalism and manufactured outrage?
Strange, it’s doesn’t seem very much like “right wing intellectualism” to me, but I’d wager you call everyone something similar if they disagree with you.
Don’t bother responding. I have you blocked.
Just in case someone who does not deserve to be in prison for stupidity sees this comment, think about what this bottom of the barrel is missing. The point of the comic is not literal, it is to illustrate that medical professionals often do this to women.
There’s another comic where the gunshot victim is complaining and the doctor says “have you tried losing weight?” I’ll bet this worthless sack of dogshit would decide that they were just trying to get a good history.
Because of patriarchy? 👉👈
So, it’s an emergency, and doctors are trained to think first about saving the theoretical unborn fetus, instead of focusing on the hemorrhage of a woman that somehow made it to the doctor after she got shot by some delinquent? Is that what you’re trying to say? I don’t wonder why people don’t understand, but I find the comic funny, bitter funny.
Cynical answer: They’re worried about the malpractice case if the woman miscarries because of something they did.
More realistic answer: I don’t think it’s so much trained to first think about the potential fetus, as much as if there’s no emergency and the only difference between potentially causing a miscarriage / deformity and not doing so is a few questions, why not ask them? If she was on a gurney being rushed into the ER it would be one thing, but if she’s ambulatory and has the time for the subsequent urine test, better safe than sorry?
Most realistic answer: It’s a funny comic about the level of dismissal many women feel when dealing with doctors. Laugh bitterly, share with a friend, and try not to worry about what assholes on the Internet think.
If you are pregnant it can wildly affect your lab results, too.
Well, to be pendantic. She’s walked into the office on her own, is fully alert and doesn’t appear to be bleeding much. Next steps would be an xray and likely then surgery - both of which it’s crucial to know if the patient is pregnant.
And how do you know it’s a delinquent that shot her? Seems judgey.
Yeah, might have been a cop. Better not be prejudiced.
Well, she got mugged and got shot. Call me whatever you want.
I have a rebuttal:
WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT A THEORETICAL FETUS? FIX THE FUCKING ARM THAT IS BLEEDING OUT YOU FUCKSTICK PURITANICAL ASSHOLE.
Looks like you misunderstood both the comic and the person you reacted to. Neither one is actually about a woman getting shot in the arm, that’s just hyperbole for comedic effect.
This is about this question being asked in all sorts of situations and conditions where the doctor asks about pregnancy status before administering treatment.
For this hypothetical comic situation yes they should fix the uncontrolled bleeding first before anything else. But to contradict myself looks like the bleeding is controlled.
Great way to end up with a medical malpractice lawsuit.
Yup! Replied the same thing!
Potentially the future mother? If she cares, then the doctor sure as hell should.
Cool, so you know what malpractice lawsuits bring in?
NO
As WalrusDragonOnABike so perfectly put it:
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It’s not about pregnancy. It’s about dismissing pain and blaming symptoms on hormones.
SOURCE
ANOTHER SOURCE
YET ANOTHER SOURCE
I have more sources. They’re bookmarked. Does anyone need them or do we get it yet?
It’s not a 4 panel comic, they tried using more panels for extra context and fucked it up.
“I didn’t get it so the comic is wrong.”
Ah yes, insults instead of addressing the context of the comment.
I’m explaining why the comic doesn’t make sense, and addressing your incorrect information and also now comprehension.
If you can’t even see that this isn’t a 4 panel comic, why should we even take anything else you say as correct? When you can’t even count panel amounts.
4 panel comics and 8 panel comics, are different narratives, you can’t use 4 panel logic and narrative in an 8 panel. So it changes how the comic works. Just like a short story vs a poem. They’re just different things.
Wait, so you can’t follow a story past four panels? What is “four panel logic?” I think you made that up.
I was quoting someone else.
My information is from reputable sources in healthcare, journalism and medicine. Do we not recognize Ph D’s here, now?
In every one of my comments I try to bring the discussion back to the narrative of the comic, you brought up pregnancy, which I addressed.
I don see this conversation being productive, so you can have the last word and I won’t respond. Enjoy the rest of your week.
No, a poem and short story are two different ways to tell a narrative. You can’t write a poem in a short story format than cry foul when people don’t get the point because it no longer works.
How did you even get that form what I said? Oh right, you seem to have an issue with wanting to insult people Lmfao.
And in every response people, not just me, have tried to explain to you why the narrative just doesn’t bloody work. Doesn’t matter what your backround or how much you know about it, you’re failing basic language comprehension issue. Most people have agreed with those, and still tried to point you correct on the issue with comic.
So it’s just badly written then
But yea it seems like your interpretation is correct, though the extreme amount of exaggeration in the comic made it less understandable
It’s not the exaggeration that makes it badly written and controversial, it’s using the period question as a stand in for dismissal. Both things can be true: it is a good thing for med pros to ask this question AND doctors routinely discount women’s concerns AND this comic combines the two which is generating lots of discussion here.
Yeah, that comic is pretty badly written, jumbling together to many things to make a clear point while using extreme hyperbole to obfuscate its actual meaning even more.
Tbh, doctors (like anyone working any job) tend to fall into a pattern-matching routine quite often. My son has a chronic condition that required quite a few hospital stays over his life. Even though my son is not a woman and doesn’t get periods, there have been quite a few situations where doctors didn’t take him or us (both my wife and me) serious and/or were stuck in automatic mode.
One example (of many): We are in hospital, my son is there as an inpatient. He was maybe a year old at this time and sleeping in his bed. Nurse comes in and routinely checks his temperature with a forehead thermometer. It reads as 42°C (107.6°F) and the nurse panics and immediately sprints out of the room to get temperature reducing medicine. While she’s gone I touch his forehead and it doesn’t even remotely feel warm. I take the thermometer and check the temperature a few times and it always reads as 37°C (98.6°F) every time, so totally fine. She comes back with a syringe filled with medicine and I say “Stop, he doesn’t have high temperature”. She ignores me and moves to inject the medicine anyway, and I quickly pull out the thermometer to show her the temperature, telling her again to stop. Finally she relents and agrees to check the temperature again, which she does a few times and realizes he doesn’t have any fever after all.
Turns out, my son was hooked up to pre-heated oxygen, and apparently when she first took his temperature, she must have accidentally touched the oxygen hose with the thermometer, and the oxygen hose is preheated to 42°C.
I have numerous similar stories.
(That’s not to say that this problem doesn’t affect women more, but that the underlying problem is a human problem, not an anti-women problem. Women have more complex physiology, so it does make sense that they are a victim of something like that more often. But the underlying issue is not that doctors hate/dismiss women, but that doctors dismiss everyone whenever they have a plausible chance to do so. With issues like that it’s important to focus on the actual problem at hand, because that usually has a different and better solution.)
It is even less obvious that this comic would want to target both
I’M SORRY, I DIDN’T QUITE GRASP WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT MORE CLEARLY?
The bigger the font, the happier your day will be
thanks
2meIRL
hadn’t considered that: cool & COOL
HELL YEAH BROTHER, BUT NEVER FORGET THAT EVEN WITH CRUISE CONTROL YOU STILL GOTTA STEER!
Just admit you pressed the shift key before each letter. You didn’t use caps lock.
I mean, what’s a pinky finger there for other than to hold shift while typing?
Counterpoint- she is missing a semicircular chunk of flesh half her arm’s diameter, without massive bleeding, and still somwhow alive. Only way I can think of that working is every artery connecting to her arm being severed,
and wasting time asking about her period can wait till they figure out if shes going to die from internal bleeding while answering questions.
Counterpoint, it’s a fucking exaggerated cartoon.
Counter-counterpoint: To see internal bleeding she needs a CT scan and CT tech or radiology will say no for CT until it’s confirmed with bw that she is not pregnant. (Note: Im only familiar with healthcare on where im at)
look, I’m not asking to be coddled. as a man I don’t need anyone to ask me anything…but it would be nice every once in a while of someone just asked how my last period was.
it costs nothing to be kind.
I’ll be the guy and ask but I’ll warn you ahead of time the only acceptable answer is “good, how are you?” And now with that bit out of the way,
How was your last period?
good, how are you?
I know right. Sometimes just the act of asking is appreciated.
Hah!
I remember seeing a sign on a wall in one office that explained this. Makes way more sense knowing that.
I can’t say I’ve had this particular conversation with a doctor (or ever will) but all this said, I’ve also had some real arseholes for doctors. A little compassion and even a quick explanation goes a long way.
There is a big difference between not understanding something and never being taught in the first place.
Doctors should ask men about their period.
What if they find a dude who had one recently? That seems like it would be a problem you’d want fixed.
Okay, so this is a damn good argument!
Might need to go to the doctor because how of much I’m gonna laugh whilst reading this comment thread later.
Yeah I get it that the medical.field could have, should have spent way more time on women’s issues, too many illnesses have been ignored with women, and yes, all that has to change
But this? I thought this was always obvious
Not for a lot of people, sadly.
As much as I dunk on doctors, people in general are even dumber.
And aside from the concern about a fetus, it can mess (very dramatically) with your lab results.
I feel like the more nuanced version of the question should be used tbh
Stop yelling. My brain censors out all caps, so anythign in all caps I can’t read.
do these two quotes above look literally the same to you?
What?
You said:
Right?
Can you see all these caps?
Ma’am, this isn’t the Fallout universe where people use caps as a currency.
Us in the real world use intangible currency backed by the nebulous “economy.” It’s value fluctuates based on vibes, and obviously nothing bad will ever happen as a result of that.
Clearly, English is incapable of having homographs. Caps and “Caps”, and all Caps and ALL CAPS. (sorry, Froggy, that last part was in all caps, which you can’t see, it said ‘all caps’)
Froggy here can see caps, as well as other types of hats, but cannot see all caps. THEY Froggy, CANT we SEE love THIS you PART, but they can still see capital letters, since they don’t comprise the whole word. EXCUSE THE LACK OF APOSTROPHE IT WOULD COMPROMISE THE WORD
So he can’t see all caps, but he can see some caps? So which caps can’t he see? Are they randomly chosen or is there a pattern?
I interpreted this as them being unable to see all caps, not only consecutive, but also free-standing in front of small letters. 😄
^Then I had a little fun with it.^
Same. Good times!
😁🤜🤛
Yea, I can see hats.
Oh, for real, no cap?