Because of the nature of federation posts and comments on LemmyNSFW communities will live on basically forever. However the photos and videos will likely be lost. Some were links to external media and will stick around, some may be cached. But most photos and videos that were uploaded directly to the instance will break when the server fully goes down.
For example: [NSFW, OBVIOUSLY] [email protected] - that link should load fine on your instance. It should look functional just with no new posts. (Note: it’s actually possible to post and comment in these communities still, but only people in your instance will see it)
The images are served from links like these: (mild NSFW) https://lemmynsfw.com/pictrs/image/d50379d3-7d64-440c-bcf6-13dbf2b81c1b.webp?format=webp
The fact that the images still load is a somewhat hopeful sign. The server is still running, Lemmy just crashed. There’s still time for the head admin to come back, the data still exists. This seems unlikely though as the other admin says they haven’t heard from them since October.
So there’s a small window to archive this stuff, if you’re interested. Between now and whenever the media server crashes or gets shut off for non-payment.
Bummer.
I waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant to cryyyyy. sad, sad, sad, sad, sad. no words to describe this instance! The world is done, finished, end, caput!
oh that’s sucks, I was thinking to grow c/pornhwa. If lemmynsfw is permanently shut down, is there any place for c/pornhwa?
Really sucks. It’s hard to find a place other than here or Reddit that doesn’t require a payment or ID verification to post amateur media
what about erome? also forums like sexandfunforum.info and planetsuzy
I mean I could plug my shit. https://goatmatrix.net/
It’s not super active on the nsfw front but I’m open to it. You’ve just got to hit “hidden from front” on nsfw content.
Any sub exists. Just submit to any topic.Hopefully that plug isn’t unwelcome, but you really can use it.
Isn’t that just another centralized reddit clone like Voat or Tildes? The top/most active communities also aren’t promising… Right-libertarians and Ancaps 😒
Not sure how that would be better than just spooling up another lemmy/piefed instance that allows for NSFW. The big advantage of federation is that the rest of us can continue on even if some instances like LemmyNSFW falter, where as if you ever decided to shut down goatmatrix, that’s it, all of it is gone.
EDIT:
Uh oh…
But just like there are people whose idea of internet fun is complain-tainment, there are people who are on the internet for argu-tainment. Again. They should go elsewhere. I get it. It’s fun for some people. But not every place needs to be a dive bar. Those exist on the internet. Go to them. And the last is similar to the others. I’m trying to find the best way to phrase it, but it is trying to show off how much of a worthless asshole you are. Sounds like an odd thing to do. But again, this is entertainment for some people, and if you don’t show them the door, they will think the place is built for them. And if it is built for them, it can’t be built for the folks at the top of the pyramid. And that’s just who I want to build this place for.
So will these behaviors at the bottom lead to a ban? No. We are testing if a different model is possible. We will ask them to leave and make a conscious choice not value their kind of content. If you show up to someone’s party and start messing up the place, and it isn’t that kind of party, they are going to ask you to leave. If someone does, be a developed human being and just leave. In real life, manners would and should work. So why not the internet?
That seems… Very optimistic.
What behaviors will lead to a ban? Is it so free-speech that someone could start an openly white nationalist or neo-nazi community there? If so, that’s how you get Nazi-bars (which is why Voat failed).
I do miss the amateur content, ngl - people often say to just go to porn sites, and I get it, but there is a reason tumblr, reddit, etc etc always develop a nsfw underbelly and if the fediverse could crack that nut (heh) it would be great imho; although, the more I think about it, OF has killed off the vast majority of ppl just doing it for fun.
There’s always redgifs
As someone who’s done it for fun and dated people who’ve done it for money. Yeah I stick to amateurs for a reason. It’s great to pay sex workers, but amateurs have a certain vibe. It’s one where I know you’re having fun because that’s the only reason you’re doing this
Yup couldn’t agree more. I think that’s also why certain big name stars get really popular, they are freaks and they are genuinely loving what they are doing - that comes across the screen, no matter how good of an actress/actor you are… also another reason why there are niches for couples, as that intimacy is hard to fake.
OF has killed off the vast majority of ppl just doing it for fun.
With Instragram as the “creator front page.” Patreon too, on the digital art side.
It’s so weird how OF gets to pretend it isn’t a porn site, and somehow get along with banks that would normally turn their nose up to a literal porn site.
They ban a shitton of kinks on OF, you can’t even piss on there. It’s incredibly censored because of the payment processors.
Don’t forget the day OnlyFans announced it was going to go clean. That was a long week or so before they walked that back.
It is also interesting to notice the OF actually isn’t all adult content.
Makes more sense once you realize who owns OF.
Leonid Radvinsky. Never heard of him. Why does that explain it?
I think he’s referencing that not just OnlyFans, but also PornHub, and probably many others, are zionist owned entities. I’m pro porn, so I don’t mind, but there are a lot of people who try to distance themselves from porn for that reason alone. Rabbi Shmule sells sex toys with his daughter, that’s a bit much for me, but to each their own.
…get along with banks that would normally turn their nose up to a literal porn site…
Ohhhh, banks and big corporations have quietly had their fingers in Adult Entertainment for decades.
One of my favorite gay porn actors - who was also a phenomenally proportioned model, which was how I first discovered him - gave many interviews while he was in the business and he often stated that the public would be surprised by who the backers and investors in a lot of the studios and sites really were. Big business and finance.
It is weird, completely agree, and I think finding that loophole is how they won (obv they were not the fist site promoting cam girls)
My conspiracy theory is they have so much dirt on the finance world that it gives them leverage.
What if there were to be a “data breach” of what they’ve been subscribe too…
I’m not archiving porn dude. There’s plenty more out there. It’ll be ok.
Like all things Lemmy, I’m pretty sure there were some pretty obscure NSFW stuff posted in niche communities.
The more it is obscure it is the more chance thst it is completely illegal content
A truly ignorant, judgmental, and narrowminded take.
It is not. Big porn websites have sophisticated systems to remove illegal content, so people who want to share illegal content will go to an obscure platform and an obscure community.
The instance was defederated by many instances for illegal content
Excuse you. My kink for specifically blond hairy left feet is Not illegal.
Well maybe it should be.
Oh it’s not my thing. But some people are archivists
B…but think of future generations… think of the children!
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Why did it go down forever?
If you read the post, it basically boils down to:
- the Lemmy instance crashing
- the primary admin (whom would have system level access, not just admin role assigned in the Lemmy instance itself) hasn’t been heard from since last October
sadly it’s not uncommon for open source devs and maintainers to “disappear” from the community - a lot of these people do not share what they do with their friends and family, at least not the friends and family that could take over or even take steps in case of their passing. Accidents do happen, so do random events, so it’s perfectly possible for such an admin to pass due to some unforeseen reason, and have nobody within their immediate circles who even knew about their role in maintaining the instance.
Accidents happen… Yup.
Just like when Demonoid finally went down after Deimos died in an accident in 2018. Some of the other admins tried to keep it up but the community spirt there died with his death.
Happens.
Huh. Didn’t know that!
Same. I always wondered what happened.
It pisses me off that my first thought upon reading this was to wonder if he got disappeared by ICE.
It’s a really caring partner.
(nobody knows what happened, the best we have is that the head admin has been uncontactable since october and now the site is down)
Well that’s just a bummer.
Oh yea, I actually considered trying to run a replacement for a time, I’m still running the stack I setup for it but I decided to stop pursuing ‘productizing’ it and moved on. That stack just became my over-engineered personal instances - https://bestiver.se/
I setup a stack of Lemmy+Mastodon+Linkstack on subdomains, with the intention of selling accounts to people who would benefit from fully controlling their own social media presence…including adult creators. Afterall, they can’t get kicked off of something catering to them. I even setup a shortlink thing like: https://bestiver.se/@patrick
I still have the domain “xxxiver.se”
If you’re wondering why there aren’t other instances catering to that, it’s because hosting that content is expensive (lots of images/video content), time consuming (tons of mod reports), legally problematic (you better respond to mod reports/police inquiries quickly), and there is no simple way to accept payments since everything kicks you off if they know it’s porn related.
I think your other big problem would’ve been that attempting to “productize” it (beyond asking for donations to help with costs), would immediately make everybody else on the fediverse hate you.
My plan was actually to sell accounts to creators for a relatively small fee, and either not sign up free users at all or set up a separate service for free accounts. For the porn one it’d be asking the creators to pay a small fee so they could own their own distribution. Other people could obviously see the content, and creators could interact with lemmynsfw and anywhere else. But by selling accounts it would give them a space where they could interact with the fediverse and know that they are hosted on a thing that is actually paid for without advertising. They can’t get kicked off if they’re the intended users.
It’d also be a way to get funding into paying someone (me) to work on fixing the issues they had in the various fediverse services. That’s how things get built, and bugs get fixed. I care about improving the fediverse and was pursuing a path to get some more funding for it.
Not everything has to be provided for free for it to be a good thing.
If I remember right the images are all hosted on catbox not on lemmynsfw itself. I’m not sure why they’re still accessible, I was never told how the backend was set up beyond that, but it does mean that the images are only available until catbox times them out.
I don’t think so. These pict-rs links are standard Lemmy image hosting.
https://lemmynsfw.com/pictrs/image/d50379d3-7d64-440c-bcf6-13dbf2b81c1b.webp?format=webp
Huh. This was from a conversation with said missing admin so I may just be misremembering.
That likely means the server is still up and just the Lemmy containers/just the frontend container is down. The default setup has nginx proxying the /pictrs to pictrs I think.
If anything, getting the logs from that server would be interesting, to see if Lemmy’s long-term stability can be improved.
I still have hundreds of communities from lemmynsfw in my blocklist from before instance based blocking was implemented. Pretty sure lemmynsfw is 95% responsible for that feature needing to be implemented.
Wouldn’t the NSFW filter (which is enabled by default) take care of that?
Some people like your typical boobies and such, but sometimes an obscure, highly specific community will get a huge boost of activity by one enthusiastic uploader and the main Lemmy front page will be swamped with posts from c/amputeesPeeingOnFabrigeEggs or something
True, see my other comment about filtering.
Also, it’s Fabergé eggs. Fabrige must be the knock-off Chinese version.
Fabrige must be the knock-off Chinese version.
Look, it’s an expensive hobby. Don’t judge me for using knockoffs. Or do. That’s also one of my kinks.
Oh, I’ll tell you when I’ve had enough!
…c/amputeesPeeingOnFabrigeEggs…
LOL! Okay. I’m in, just for the weirdo factor…
Well!
One may want to have adult conversations without seen porn. A NSFW filter is quite blunt.
They are. NSFW filters often also filter out stuff like the ICE shootings, for example.
One of PieFed’s earliest features was the separate distinction between NSFW and NSFL / gore. Although with Lemmy lacking that, I would guess that any poster would be afraid to rely on it without also toggling the NSFW label as well.
Adult conversation equals not NSFW.
However I do agree that the available filtering is quite lacking. Tons of topics fall under NSFW, and disabling the filter brings the usual Russian Roulette of “will it be a titty or a beheaded guy or a 60yo bloke getting fisted?”.
I’ve actually brought this up before, the Fediverse in general needs more granular NSFW sub-categories. Like, I have (or now with lemmynsfw being down, I guess, I had) a separate account for porn only. I’ve disabled NSFW filtering, but that doesn’t mean I wanna see gore, rape, murder, animals being gutted, gruesome accident photos, cartel and ISIS execution videos and so on, I just don’t want titties blurred in my main feed.
NSFW does not equal exclusively porn.
I’m not looking to block out gore or triggering topics, particularly news stories such as what’s come out of
PortlandMinnesota lately. Hell some of my own posts are NSFW, but I’ve never posted porn.Disabling/blocking all NSFW entirely is not an acceptable solution when it’s only porn I’m trying to not be flooded with.
At its peak, before instance blocking was a thing: 4/5 posts under the ‘All’ feed were porn. I posted a picture quite a while back (I’m not gonna go dig it out, but it’s in my comment history), from before we could block an instance, with just a massive list of communities in my block list almost entirely from lemmynsfw. It was way over the top.
Now I can just block an instance or community that dedicates itself to porn and all is well. I still don’t think that content belongs on a platform like this. If people want porn, they can go to the MANY sites that serve porn; it shouldn’t be combined with your daily scrolling through news, current events, and funny cat videos*. But we have tools to work around it; so, moving on.
* heavily paraphrasing for general everyday content that an average person may share with friends/family.
Edit: I have no idea why I said Portland… I meant Minnesota, referring to Renee Good and Alex Pretti.
I disagree with porn having no place on the Fediverse. A lot of amateur creators started their work on sites like Reddit, and the platform becoming unviable will push them to alternatives like Lemmy.
However I do agree that there should be some gateways to get to that point. Filtering instances/subcommunities that are marked directly as all-NSFW is a good first step (and should’ve been part of the protocol from day 1).
I also see why the default “filter out all NSFW content” filter is problematic (even though it is enforced by app stores on every mobile platform, sadly). A much better approach is to filter subcommunities and instances that are marked as entirely NSFW. That way e.g. news subcommunities can still post NSFW articles that have a wider reach, without anyone’s primary feed getting slammed with porn and gore.
Perhaps there can be a place for it, I just mean it should not be an automatically and consistently part of peoples feeds. Creators should have a place for it that’s easy to find/access for those that want/seek it. Just don’t shove it in people’s faces without their explicit prior consent.
I don’t think the general/greater population of lemmy came here to find porn…
Edit: I have no idea why I said Portland… I meant Minnesota, referring to Renee Good and Alex Pretti.
Because the same kind of gestapo shit is happening there, with the only difference being that (as far as we know) no white citizens have been blatantly murdered yet.
That’s fair; I don’t mean to minimize or dismiss the situation in either location, just that Minnesota was what specifically was on my mind when I wrote the comment.
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lemmy.ml blocking lemmynsfw by default has been one of the nicer parts about using this server
I have heard the best part of being on lemmynsfw was that .ml blocked them.
not so much of a loss if that was the best part about it lmao
Yeah, I’m all for a place like that existing, but it really doesn’t need to exist in my timeline, which I might scroll while I’m on the bus or such…
