You ever see the futurama episode what that slug was forced to party all the time.
It’s like that
Sometimes I think parents forget that they CHOSE to have kids. There’s always a choice. Even having sex with protection has a risk that people assume.
It’s always a bit surreal to see people insist “As a childless adult, I get to have hobbies while you don’t” when - as a childed adult - I find myself picking up hobbies I’d never even considered before kids.
My little guy stumbles on things and gets into them, needs some help, and suddenly we’re both neck-deep in a jigsaw puzzle or a TV series or a train kit or a pile of half-painted miniatures.
A lot of people don’t understand what it takes to raise children, completely overlooking what you just listed. You seem to be a good parent, which is rare.
No, we do. It’s why we opted not to have any. We want to do what we want to do. Not whatever our children are into.
Same. This week I rode the new tramway network blind in a coastal city to have adventures with Kid. We bought copper wire and made jewellry with pretty pebbles (harder than I thought.) We played Split Fiction (and like It Takes Two better.) We showed her The Good Place (she loves it, because duh.)
Whe have fun.Same.
Also I get to share my hobbies with them. We got a d&d group, we paint minis and play video games together. Which is stuff I’d do anyways.
I also picked up inline skating as my kids do that all the time and just standing there while they skate was boring.
Plus I still got hobbies as does my wife. Yes there is less time but we have each other’s backs so everyone can have some time for their own interests like once or twice a week.
Warhammer moment:
WHAT IS OUR DUTY?!
I had children young and watched my peers have social lives, etc. But now, on this side of things, they’re just getting started with little ones and my kids are driving. It’s coming. MUHAHAHA
And may I add, you probably had more patience and more energy having had kids young.
As a man with 2 young kids, yes. Yes you do. It’s an obligation for you to enjoy the free time as much as you can. I rely on my childless friends to fill me in on what’s happening in the cultured world, because for me my life is nothing but Bluey, Paw Patrol, and Cocomelon.
That only lasts so long. My kids do their own thing, I do my own thing, and we do things together. I love hanging out with them and enjoying our shared interests. I know someday they won’t want to/be able to spend that time together, so I take advantage while I can.
I second that. The time when their interests bore you to death is so damn small. The time they need a diaper or breastfeed is so damn small. It is intense and hard, but then, just some steps down the road, you just sit there rewatching Sailor Moon instead of Peppa Pig and spending time together becomes actually cool and interesting and it feels like you have a great person around. You read great books together instead of looking at books that go like “this is a caterpillar. It likes apples. The caterpillar bites into an apple.” You make up stories. You draw together. You roughhouse. You just… hang out.
Yesterday I saw a man with his 5-year-old son out for a bike ride on the beach boardwalk. That little tiny boy was confidently adeptly riding his little bike balancing on two wheels like a full-on pro. I hope your kids get enough time away from the screen to enjoy life with skills like that too.
Who would downvote this lol? No kids, but also fully am tired of the us vs them mentality with cf versus childed. In today’s world there is usually a much greater sacrifice to have kids and to be able to afford or have a community to have date nights and such, but having children is still an adventure that many parents enjoy. You probably hear a lot from the complainers, though. Similar to married guys who sigh and call their wives the old woman… the happily married are silent af usually.
It’s the small thing we get for paying for all the many benefits parents enjoy.
As a childless adult, it’s my duty to be part of other people’s lives and support families by being a trusted adult (trusted by parents and kids) and be a good role model for others’ kids.
Why? Because we live in a society. Today’s kids are tomorrow’s adults. There are, unfortunately, a lot of terrible social influences out there, and parents can’t battle society alone. Young boys and girls need to learn and develop healthy relationships with men and women alike, beyond just their parents, in order to have something to model themselves after and to learn how to treat others with love and respect.
And this is especially so for singletons. A lot of the bad and warped ideas about “relationships” and even self-esteem comes from unhealthy views of romantic relationships. Ideas like if you’re not good enough if you don’t have a boyfriend/girlfriend. Or ideas that men and women cannot “only” be friends (objectification of other sex). Ideas that men are owed relationships and sex by women (incels). Ideas that it’s better to be with a bad partner than to be single (abuse).
Parents can’t fight all of that on their own.
Thank you so much for saying this. It’s refreshing to hear this coming from someone else. We are divided in so many ways and need to bring the spirit of community back - the things you mention are critical steps in that direction.
I absolutely envy every family that has you in their lives. Please never stop thinking that way because we desperately need people like you. Not as a free baby sitter or lunch provider, but as a role model and influence. We really cannot do it all by ourselves.
Sounds good.
The good news: You’re a childless adult who can do fun things and just let the rest of the population keep the numbers up so civilization doesn’t collapse from rapid population decline.
The bad news: Everyone else has this idea also.
so civilization doesn’t collapse from rapid population decline
Would that really be a bad thing?
I mean, we’re all raging at this presidential administration for ending USAID which supplied food and medicine to developing nations and poverty-stricken regions without infrastructure, it will lead to the deaths of millions, for no other reason than they don’t have access and resources in many of the places the program served.
if populations collapse in too many industrialized nations too rapidly, many industries and shipping lanes and distribution channels will start to slow down and possibly even eventually close entirely, leading to much greater problems than even the absence of USAID or other programs. A lot of our modern infrastructure we depend on functions on a scale dependent on a certain level of production and labor.
A lowered population would absolutely help us with a lot of issues with scarcity and pollution, but we can’t get to those lowered population levels rapidly or that’s the same as any other apocalyptic event that will cause vast amounts of suffering.
Ah yes, the modern version of the “I hate my wife”-joke.
As a childless person myself, I can tell you that I rarely have the energy to “go have fun” after a long day of work. In fact, I prefer to just be at home and be a boring, basic bitch.
I can also tell you that almost every parent I know, and I know many because almost everyone my age have kids, are super active and do all kinds of fun things with their kids all the time. Especially those whose kids have gotten older and less dependent. It is a big, big, big misconception that parents never have fun. They do. A lot. They travel, go to parks and museums, theaters, circuses and talks with child entertainers. They take part in local community activities like sports and arts and whatever else is out there and they bond with the other parents who also wish to build a good community for the kids.
I have also seen how efficient parents are with time management. Not because they were born with that skill, but because they HAD to get good at it, so they pretty much never have a boring day ever. Are they tired and exhausted? Yes. Do they sometimes wish for a break from the kids? Also yes. But I would wager a guess that they all have lives that are tenthousand times more exciting than or many other childless people do. Not that it is a competition. Personally, I like the boring life where I get to do whatever I want without interruptions. I like that I get a break from other people because it overwhelms me to be around more than three people for long stretches of time. That just how I am and that is why I’m childless.
But I in no way feel superior to parents pr have this childish preconception that parents’ lives suck. You can only have that opinion if you’re never around people who have kids.
Sorry for being a party pooper, but I really, really hate this stupid joke and I hope it soon goes out of style and becomes something we look back at and cringe at in the same way we do with “I hate my wife”-jokes.
Unfortunately a lot of times it’s not a joke. These people genuinely think they’re superior to parents, and a lot of them genuinely hate kids and those who chose to have them. It’s a rotten mindset to it’s core that built on hatred of preconceived stereotypes. It’s something that’s irrational in both logic and the emotions that it evokes. It’s literally a new form of bigotry.
People like you should be the default. You made your choice and you respect other people who made theirs. You understand other people have their own reasons that are different than yours. That’s normal, that’s healthy. It means you’re secure enough in the decisions you’ve made to not go around trying to justify it to yourself by pretending you’re better than other people. As much as I would like to believe that people like you are the silent majority, I’m finding that more and more difficult to believe with just how prevalent these smug childless people are becoming in society.
Oh dude, I know Dx back when I was still using reddit I had a few run ins with the childfree subreddits and I didn’t like the tone on the main one and asked around if there was a sub somewhere, where you could just talk with normal childfree people about the lifestyle. I was recommended the true childfree subreddit and was permabanned for my first and only post where I wanted to start a discussion about the doubts and the difficult choices related to choosing the childfree lifestyle. I was permabanned for trolling, which pissed me off enough to just give up on trying to find people like me online to talk to about it.
I actually really like kids and kids really like me, lol. They always think I’m “one of them” when I play with them at family gatherings and such. They seem to always forget that I’m adult who’s older than their parents a lot of the time. It’s just to say that I don’t hate kids. I tend to not like people who hate kids. I feel like it’s a good way of telling if I will like a person or not. Do they like kids or not? They can even be indifferent and I will be okay with them. But if they hate kids, I reserve the right within myself to label them as someone I don’t want to know.
I just could never be a parent because parenthood isn’t for me, lol. I would be really bad at it, so I leave that up to those of you who actually can do it and I respect you for it.
But to be completely honest, I think the losers who make hating kids and parents their only personality trait, those people are a very loud online minority. I don’t believe they are the majority irl. I could be wrong though. I don’t know any irl childless people who hate kids. They are either like me, they think kids are cool but they just don’t know how to be a parent or they are indifferent to kids or they just never got a chance to start a family.
If someone is truly that hateful, at least they’re being kind enough to remove themselves from the gene pool.
There are scientific studies which show that parents are overall less happy than adults without kids.
Of course parents still do a lot of stuff but it’s because most of the time it’s even more stressful to stay at home with the kids. And as you noticed it’s stuff mainly for the kids. Of course some things parents can enjoy as well. But the main thing about being a parent is that you can’t just do what YOU what, especially not spontaneously.
And the post was about vibe and chill, which is definitely something parents do a lot less than they would like to.
Sure, I think I can find studies that affirms my biases too if I really want to.
Personally, I don’t believe that parents are so miserable and childless people are so happy. Maybe at some stage in life that can be measured to be objectively true, but longterm, dude, I think the parents win the happiness lottery if the childless people choose to never move on from their 20s and grow up and take part in their community. I invest time and money into my nieces and nephews and into my friends’ kids too. Because they are family and I care about them and their parents and it gives me joy to know that I’m a part of something either directly or indirectly, depending on circumstances. I do it because I know that there is also a day after tomorrow where I would become alone and forgotten and have no one to lean on if I don’t contribute and invest anything into the future, which in this case it other people’s children.
At some point, we have to remember that the world is bigger than ourselves and if we only invest in ourselves our whole lives, we will end up very very very alone.
You went too hard in the other direction. Sure parents aren’t miserable, but studies do show childless adults are happier. Maybe they’re less fulfilled? That’s hard to say if you never wanted kids. Also you can enjoy being around friends and make their lives better and invest in your community, not like kids, and still be very fulfilled. If you don’t enjoy kids that doesn’t impact your life negatively unless you don’t understand how to be happy on your own.
Most happiness indices use flawed methodology. I wouldn’t take them too seriously.
Having a child requires more planning for sure. Spontaneity is certainly fun but I do think that the ability to plan ahead is part of what rounds us out as adults.
I vibe and chill every night with my wife after the kids are asleep at 8. If we want to go out they stay with the grandparents.
Can you be as spontaneous as your were in college or as a young uncommited professional? Not really. But with a little planning you can still have your fun.
I acknowledge a lot of this comes down to finances and how functional your family is and so may not be feasible for many people. But I do want to gently push back at the idea that ideas of individuality, self-actualization etc must be deferred because of children.
You need a community to make it work and the problem is many people have less and less of that these days.
By what metric do we judge happiness?
Is it wealth? Is it things owned? Is the happiness a serial hoarder feels when they get a new thing the same as the happiness of seeing your first child born?
I’m starting to think we’ve gone too far when it comes to validating feelings.
I guess you just ask someone how happy they are in general.
Edit: I found the study (see my other response) and they used this:
To assess life satisfaction, respondents were asked, “All things considered, how satisfied are you with your life as a whole these days?” They were asked to indicate their satisfaction with life using an 11-point scale ranging from 0 (dissatisfied) to 10 (satisfied). This measure has been shown to have appropriate external validity and has been widely used in cross-cultural studies of life satisfaction
Ok, let me create a separate hypothetical:
You have a society that really likes ultra processed food. I mean really likes ultra processed food, to the point of addiction. There are other things that society is addicted to, but we’ll fixate on food for now.
Let’s say you take ultra processed food away from that society. Or any other harmful addictive thing. What do you think happens to their overall satisfaction in life?
It is the objectively correct decision (at least before enough regulations are put in place that ‘ultra processed’ doesn’t also mean ‘packed with chemicals’). Let’s say you assess life satisfaction after an event like this. What would their answers be? Would they be true or would they just be the thrashings of addicts?
My point is that I think if you ask a heroin addict if they’re satisfied with life, their answer will depend on how long it’s been since a needle has gone in their arm. I don’t think the average person is actually capable of guaging their level of satisfaction in life, not to say that the average person is a heroin addict.
I don’t think the average person is actually capable of guaging their level of satisfaction in life
One could argue they’re the only ones who can gauge it.
But there’s definitely a struggle to separate the symptoms of happiness from the conditions of happiness.
Like, if happiness is just a chemical, then OD on it and you’ve successfully maximized the raw score. But if you asked someone in advance if that’s how they want to live their lives, I don’t think you’d get many eager for it.
Good point
Got a link for that study? I highly suspect that the happyness of the adults with Children depends on which country they are from.
No sorry, but I remember that in scandinavian countries the difference in happiness was much less, because raising children there is more seen as a societal task and less as the sole responsibility of the parents.
Edit: found it: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jomf.13116
tending to be more negative for parents facing more challenging conditions
I think the above point of the study is key. If you are already facing significant challenges in life (economic, psychological, physical, etc), adding kids is not going to make it any easier, and might make things worse. I know it’s anecdotal but I’m personally pretty satisfied with my life, and that’s continued to grow alongside my kids. But as I mentioned in my previous comment, I have the resources and support I need to make that happen. I also live in a country that provides a lot more support to families than somewhere like the US. Not going to say having kids is all muffins, puppies, and unicorn farts all the time. But it’s been fulfilling to me, and if I had to go back and do it all again with my kids, I absolutely would.
Nice. Thank you. Even better, it’s a free study.
But instead of showing the coefficient of the model they derived, I would have shown figures 1 & 2 which are riveting to me.
I highly suspect happiness directly correlates to wealth and not the country.
parents are overall less happy than adults without kids
Higher levels of stress, less money in the bank, fewer hours of sleep, yadda yadda. You could say the same thing about people who start their own businesses or take up a career in politics or do literally anything that’s taxing on the human body and mind.
Want to know how to live a truly carefree lifestyle? Take up heroin. Folks in an opiate haze are consistently ranked some of the happiest on earth.
And the post was about vibe and chill
It’s this sort of weird backhanded brag that tries to make a virtue out of self-indulgence. Might as well go full Gordon Geeko with it if you’re this far in.
are super active and do all kinds of fun things with their kids all the time.
Some of the fun of parenting is sharing your interests with someone new, a complete beginner to that thing. Some of your hobbies become their hobbies (my kids have taken an interest in cooking and helping in the kitchen, love some of my favorite childhood books/movies, tinker with legos), and some of them don’t (trying to teach my kids how to play chess or sports have been mostly unsuccessful).
But it inspired me to take them to the library and museums and even vacations that I wouldn’t have otherwise done. It also helps inspire me to keep in better contact with my parents and siblings (and their kids), because it’s important for me that my kids have relationships with their grandparents and cousins. But the side effects is that it makes me stay in better contact with my own family. So it becomes a forcing function, that is only kinda a burden to the extent that I might rather be doing something else, that I learn to appreciate in the long view.
Right. It changes your perspective and priorities. It gives you the gift of community and culture in ways that someone like me won’t get unless I actively remember to seek it out.
I’m not a parent so there are many things I don’t have first hand experience with, but children have been a part of every stage of my life since I was little. I became an aunt before the age of 10, lol. I have seen the cycle of parenthood over and over and over again and now I’m going through it again with my peers who almost all have kids and their lives change in so many amazing and exhausting ways but they all recieve community and culture and the family is knitted closer. It is something I don’t know how to explain to terminally online childless people who have a very simplistic idea of what parenthood and childless lifestyles are like. I have lived that shit my whole life so I know what is coming for me and what is coming for the parents in my life and I know the ups and downs of both and I find both beautiful in their own ways. I don’t think the childless people who pull up statistics and and talk about parenthood like they know anything about it because they have read a few articles and studies that affirms their biases, I don’t think they realize what is actually coming for them.
It’s not that they will necessarily regret not having kids. But if they don’t attempt to get involved in community and culture in any way, they will be left behind at some point. Then they can brag about hobbies and vacations and sex and sleep, but it’s gonna fucking hit them like a ton of bricks one day when they realize that society moved on without them and that they no longer know how to speak the language of their peers because they will miss ALL the references and the cultural and community context that was built when they were busy jetskiing in Hawaii.
It is going to be lonely and maybe you like being by yourself like I do a lot of the time, but you still have to get up and participate and show interest and investment in other people’s children if you want to not end up completely isolated from society one day. That is my strategy and it really fixes that puzzle I could never figure out early on in my life when I realized I love kids, I just don’t want to be a mom. Now I’m an aunt, a playmate and someone whom parents can rely on if they need me. Win/win.
I can also tell you that almost every parent I know, and I know many because almost everyone my age have kids, are super active and do all kinds of fun things with their kids all the time.
It’s always funny to watch a guy who has been a sports buff on the sidelines for half his life pick up coaching Little League baseball or soccer and come away with a totally different appreciation for the sport. Suddenly, he’s heavily invested in rookie year players, way more interested in the training camps than any of us have ever been, and saying the word “fundamentals” until our eyes have rolled out of our heads.
It’s incredibly cute and funny. Even as he says “Listen, my son’s not going to make it to the pros” he’s got to doubles back about how Tom Brady was a bottom of the barrel draft pick. Guy just loves his kid and loves what he does.
You forgot to add:
*Wealthy parents.
How do you expect people to be able to afford traveling and going to circuses, if they have to work 80 hours a week across two jobs just to survive?
No money. No time. No fun.
That may be true in America, but not every country treats its citizens the way America does. In my country, normal families can go travel or visit zoos or circuses without being rich. Unions are your friend.
And mild social democratic policies (or as they are called in murrica: COMMUNISM!!!11!1) are your friend as well.
Yeah. I’m Danish which ranks pretty high in almost all areas of social happiness, which includes parents. It’s kinda sad for me to hear that there are people out there in the supposed first world who thinks that traveling or going to the circus, or museums etc is only for the wealthy, when it’s a pretty normal thing where I live. Museums and amusement parks are pretty popular here. My boyfriend and I gifted a close colleague of mine a trip to Legoland with the whole family for Christmas one year and they had a total blast. Enough that they decided to go the next year again, lol. None of us are rich. We actually are in the lower end of the earning bracket in Danish society, but we can still afford to do fun things. You’d have to be really shitty with money or too sick to work or study to not be able to have a somewhat decent life in Denmark. The latter, I have been through, btw.
I like that I get a break from other people because it overwhelms me to be around more than three people for long stretches of time. That just how I am and that is why I’m childless.
Is that with everybody or just people you don’t know and feel comfortable with? I mean, I’m intensely uncomfortable in many social situations but my kids don’t trigger that response at all.
Which is not to say it’s all fun and games. They are immensely hard work and the choices you have about how you spend your time, what holidays or other leisure activities you do, tend to be dictated by the presence of kids. Even if it’s something you do to take time off from the kids, that’s still driven by the kids in a way. It’s a whole different set of priorities, though I don’t regret having them at all.
I very likely have some type of undiagnosed disorder which I will never really know for sure because I don’t have the patience, energy or money to get a diagnosis. There are definitely people out there with similar peculiarities to me who are great at raising kids. I just don’t want to take the chance and hope for the best when there is no guarantee that I’ll be one of the good ones. I’ll rather end up an old lady with a couple of regrets than I want to potentially fuck up someone’s childhood.
I get where you’re coming from! It IS hard work! I have seen it in the faces and voices of my friends and family for decades haha. But I also see the love and how much these kids bring to their parents’ lives. So I totally get what you mean, when you say that your kids don’t affect you the same way other people do. To me that just sounds like you’re one of the good eggs :D
So I totally get what you mean, when you say that your kids don’t affect you the same way other people do. To me that just sounds like you’re one of the good eggs :D
Thanks, but I think what it really means is that the way you relate to your kids is not like anyone else. Like I never imagined that I would be ok with cleaning up another person’s shit. People working in nursing homes handle that stuff every day but I just couldn’t. But when it’s your own kid, it’s just… different. Still objectively disgusting but somehow acceptable, in the same way that I’m ok with wiping my own ass because it’s a part of me. Well, in some way my kids are a part of me too.
As an adult whose children are grown and I’m still as spry as age 20, I’m doing the same as OOP.
I don’t think kids are the biggest barrier to enjoying your hobbies. They’re not latched at the tit 24/7 for decades. I think the bigger issue is people have unrealistic work loads/hours, aren’t paid enough, and have lost a lot of the support that used to exist.
Sure, when my kids were small I had a lot less free time, but I still had fun doing childish things. As they got older we ended up trying a lot of things I would not have attempted if it weren’t for them, especially outdoor sports. Now they’re both a bit older and more independent, I have more time to do my own thing. I work from home a few days a week and use that time to go to the gym. On weekends my wife and I take turns so I can go birdwatching - sometimes I take them with me. I’m about to start volunteering at a wildlife rescue in the coming weeks because I have more time on my hands. In a few more years they’ll be even more independent and probably less interested in hanging out with us as much, meaning even more free time.
I can understand having kids doesn’t appeal to everyone, and I don’t think people who don’t want kids should be berated into having them. I also recognise all of this is only possible because I have an extremely flexible work schedule and my wife and I earn a decent living. But to say that having kids is the reason people can’t enjoy their hobbies anymore is disingenuous at best.
The childless circles have this preconceived stereotype that life stops the moment you have kids for the next 20 years. What they don’t understand is that life doesn’t stop when you have kids, having kids is a part of life. Creating your own children, raising them, and watching them is in of itself a joy even if it is hard work. Parenting isn’t misery and having kids doesn’t mean you don’t have time to enjoy what you like.
Many don’t have a solid point of reference to work from. Maybe they’ve seen a movie or heard a new parents speak on the challenges of taking care of a newborn. The first year is definitely work.
After that things fall into place for the most part if the child was planned. You certainly need to have saved money and have people / family to help.
There is so much joy that comes with having a child that it can be hard to put into words.
Not only do you begin to see the world through their eyes (in a curious, more gentle and appreciative way) - which would be good for many adults - you also rediscover yourself.
You remember the way you saw the world when you were younger. You remember what made you tick. You remember what adulthood may have taken from you. Things that once may have even defined you. They bring it all back such that you see the path of your life to this point more clearly and perhaps even can chart its future course with more certainty.
I also have a much better relationship with my parents now. As immigrants raising three kids with essentially no help I have so much respect and appreciation for the sacrifices they made. I don’t think I would have ever truly understood the hardship they took on to have us in a country with more ideal economic opportunities if I didn’t have kids myself.
This is important and highlights some problems with trends in the modern world. At one point, we had an agreement that the average family would sacrifice 40 labor hours to the economy in return for enough resources to sustain a family. Now it’s 80.
Parents should have plenty of time to engage in childish pursuits alongside their kids. It’s natural, traditional, healthy and constructive to multi-generational, extended family households. I know that’s not what everyone wants, but I feel like it should at least be an option.
It should be okay for a person to work 20 hours per week. We have the technology to make that sustainable. If someone wants to work 80 to accumulate luxuries for themselves, I think that’s fine, too. What I hate is observing people being forced to live in poverty while working 40+ hours. I am aware that almost no one working full time is below the federal poverty limit, but that’s because it’s a nonsense metric. It’s unconscionable that anyone should have to live in poverty in the modern world, but it’s insane that full-time wages don’t necessarily cover the cost of living.
I believe this creates a situation which raises children without a sense of community outside of work, and now we’re watching them burn down the village as 70-year-olds. There’s a saying about how bad times create strong people, strong people create good times, good times create weak people, and weak people create bad times. I don’t believe it for a second. Strong people and peoples are those with strong social bonds. They needn’t be biological. Screwed up families exist and it’s okay to get away and find a real family elsewhere.These communities create good times, which create even stronger people.
So therefore, go and do silly things with kids. Play Minecraft or Fortnite or kick-the-can or hide-and-seek, sing baby shark, or watch Bluey. Not just because our future depends on it, but because it’s fun. We are supposed to be happy as a minimum standard. Not all the time, but at least as an average. It’s not even the goal of life; it’s the method. We’re supposed to enjoy doing constructive things. That’s how positive reinforcement works, and the current system is not only failing to acknowledge that, but it’s diverging from it.
Go and be childish.
We also used to get to retire and do the childish hobbies for 15-20 years after our careers ended.
Our grandparents had dolls, model trains, antiques and organs to play.
You can’t give most of the shit away now, not just because tastes have changed, but I think because housing, employment and free time are all a fraction of what they were 40 years ago.
They needed more cannon fodder back in the day. Also child labour.
And children to feed to the Epstein class.
Chilfree for life, baby! My bloodline ends with me!
Same.
Let’s all carve elaborate weird and loud toys for our breeder friends.
breeders
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Referring to people that have kids as “breeder” will never not be weird to me.
Same energy as when ferengi talk about “females”
Good, because breeding is weird.
It’s fairly sarcastic, and only something said between other childfree people because they get the joke.
Ah yes locker room talk if you will.
Not at all. It’s a faux pejorative.
I’m not explaining how sarcasm works. If you don’t get it, you don’t get it. But then that means it’s not for you.
Once I’m out of this homeless shelter, I want to start whittling. Tonberries. Seems apropos, yes?
As a working parent, I ask that you consume my work product as you nobly chillax.
