You must log in or register to comment.
I’m decently satisfied with my experience here. Be careful what you wish for
Back in my day, we kept StickPage.com alive with a community of maybe 100 animators. We were happy and productive. 😁 Quality over quantity. Chin up!
Yeah, we need more users. The fediverse/lemmy is stagnating in content because we don’t have enough people with niche interests. It’s mostly US-centered politics; we need more stuff from around the world. Fediverse/lemmy needs more users.
I like it the way it is, but fuck me right
I mean, we could, but we lack the niche communities…
;)
Do we? Why do we need the niche communities?
Reddit didn’t start with them either. Neither did Digg.
Well, no, the site doesn’t /need/ them as such but 100% it’s a major issue for people coming over. Their hobbies are represented on Reddit. But not on here.
Same. I migrated from reddit because reddit are miserable bastards. There’s still some humanity here
The worst of the trolls seem to get bored and move on.
Most of the posts here have good intentions and the admins are trying to keep things good
Don’t forget “conspiracist” : fluoridated because Russia wants to weaken our sperm
This thread: “It’s because of all the assholes! Why, nearly everybody I meet here is an asshole!”
“This is a defamation, sir!”
I knew it, I’m surrounded by assholes.
KEEP FIRING, ASSHOLES!
Good. Stable and safe growth, not infinite or quick.
Are we looking at the same graph? What i see is stable decline.
What we’re saying is that spikes in growth are not the ‘best’ thing and sometimes they fall off.
Having some people that stay regardless is what we want, even if it looks like a decline. These things come in waves.
The worst thing about fedi though is there’s not enough safe places or mod tools for keeping marginalised folks safe, there’s still a heavy culture of bigotry, people not wanting to examine their own biases etc. That’s a big reason why folks leave.
Messy, the peaks are from when Reddit did stupid shit or when bots where rampant, there’s no one taking out ads, app stores aren’t promoting us, this is all organic traffic. I think we’re pretty healthy honestly. There’s still a little flux, some churn right at the top as people who need those niche communities still flirt with reddit.
I tried to stand up a couple of channels for games I was playing, most of my contributions were met with nothing or downvotes and no reasons so I just changed servers and let them go.
I sold all of my ethereum when it was $150
Lemmy didnt exist before 2023? News to me lol
Meaningfully no :)
that line to the left would just sit there near 0 and squiggle :)
Let’s talk about the Overton window.
At some point in time, the major social platforms will fuck up - probably by way of AI - and end up in a collective scandal that gives people a bad taste in their mouthes.
At that point y’all better have your talking points, framing, concepts and schpiel at the ready, because it’ll be another chance to adopt even more users. So let me stress a couple of things:
You win more bees with honey, you should be more concerned about peoples wellbeing than your own opinion and start collecting valuable, objective and giving accounts - be they international, but most preferably local - across the fediverse to share with new users.
AGAIN!! You being a toxic little shit will repell people. If you REALLY CARE about GETTING PEOPLE OFF OF PREDATORY CORPORATE PLATFORMS plz be mindful, kind, shower, groom, keep your inside humor to your inside group, learn some rhetoric to improve your communication skills and remember:
👏 you 👏 win 👏 more 👏 bees 👏 with 👏 honey
Being on your A-game does not mean Asshole-game. Plz do not stink up the place.
This certainly needs to be said and I know exactly what your talking about, but lets be real here. This is an online space, it’s always gonna have that element to it.
I’m personally very excited to have more folks flow in from reddit tho.
I’m personally very excited to have more folks flow in from reddit tho.
That would definitely stink up the place. But… I have a plan.
We need to come up with a new SSO for the fediverse, one that has an OPAD that only yields a code if it doesn’t detect BO.
Who is the real competitor? The people who are fed up with Reddit, where do they go to for discussions?
Depends on your guidelines for competitors. Just discussion, discord, x, bluesky, Facebook, Mastodon, many suck it up and go back to Reddit.
Bluesky?
I imagine most people just want a replacement website, and think it was just one bad CEO and not enshittification. That’s why the Linux users and leftists; we’ve been on the losing side of network effects before.
Bluesky is a Twitter alternative. It really doesn’t compare to Reddit.
Probably because >50% of the posts on here are about depressing American politics
Or “windows sucks, yay linux!“
Star Trek too!
Well I don’t apologize for that one.
Would never ask you to.
Well goddammit I’ve gotta post more now then don’t I? Gimme a second to start the music…
Also another meme to add to the folder of memes made about me… I have a folder. This is such a weird feeling.
Tell your godfather I said that I do not know him but I love him and wish him nothing but the most aggressive (in however he wishes it) Pon Farr.
Start the music you say? Daring today, aren’t we? [Full disclosure, everything I know about Star Trek comes from memes and the 12 or so TNG episodes I’ve seen]
don’t forget the ’ i am sad and lonely and broke, how do i get a gf’ posts.
I have literally never seen one post like that on lemmy.
deleted by creator
Permanently brigaded lmao
only because you keep joining them, i blocked out the main politics instances/communities, and there was significantly less of those annoying ragebait posts that you cant seem to think if its a tankie posts, or astroturfed pro-israeli post. even on reddit i avoided most of them, because i been burned one too many times by those subs for pointing out ragebaiting, or bigotry.
That is a naive point IMO. I have a 50+ word long block list, and I’m still getting US politics, tankie propaganda or climate doomer post on my mainly meme feed. I haven’t figured out how to properly filter them out, but at that point the platform would look almost abandoned from the perceived lack of posts.
Piefed has multicommunities. Makes it easier to have different feeds based on different topics
The issue is there just isn’t as much pull for the European/Canadian/Asian communities yet.
Every now and then I check to see if any activity has upticked in any of the UK subs yet, but the first post is always like a month ago. What can ya do.
Activity on feddit.uk communities seems quite good?
The European communities have some activity.
Should aggregate number of Lemmy and Piefed users (and maybe Mbin, NodeBB too), and see if the graph looks very different then
If your model depends on users coming from lemmy, you’re going to run out of users just the same.
If we factor all these softwares in together, the user amount might be steady or even climbing upwards. While this curve in OP is currently going down.
Quality over quantity.
Unfortunately there is a handful of “power users” spamming low quality memes in all 10 communities they created, every day.
Block them?
Haven’t had to deal with a single power hungry mod since I’ve been here.
Oh boy. Yepowertrippingbastards are a thing on lemmy.
Fr. I shared a meme the other day and was staring at New for about 10 minutes to see if it would get removed… then I remembered “This is Lemmy” lol
You could try to upload a pic on r/Pics and it would get autoremoved for “Having the wrong amount of pixels”, and if you fixed it and messaged a mod they’d tell you “Actually we no longer accept .jpegs or .pngs. WebP only. Also, this is now considered a repost.” I’m barely exaggerating.
Have you blocked .ml?
Hahaha
they are all on reddit, where all the addiction is, and plus alot of the supermods seemed to be associated with the admins or is an admin themselves.
No they’re definitely here, just go disagree with Dessalines on .ml
Must not be that. I’m still here.
Unlimited growth is capitalist mindset. Stability and community are what we value here.
So much this^. No where else did have I gotten more thoughtful and well written responses to my few questions I have raised on [email protected]. It “only” has 3.88k subscribers but those who are there are really cool. ~Wish I could be of more help there as well.~ In times where most of search results on the web are AI generated it really is worth a lot. Wouldn’t want it any other way and think that having more might actually be counter productive.
Well, this is really going to tank our quarterly report. What do you think the shareholders are going to say?!
Yeah. And we don’t need to attract the MOST people, just the BEST people
I might be in the minority but I’m entirely comfortable with moderate explosive growth, it hasn’t hurt bluesky one bit. Especially since explosive growth here implies reddit is dying.
Personally I’d prefer to avoid reddit-ification, it had become very bad in the last few years
i do agree with the sentiment, but i think we’re largely okay on that front:
among the big problems with reddit for the past, say, 10-ish years, was the consolidation of subreddit moderation in relatively few, extremely influential mods. some of which where widely known to be assholes of one kind or another…
the very design of lemmy provides a kind of natural resistance to this phenomenon by spreading communities over many distinct servers, with distinct admins and moderation teams.
it’s by no means perfect, but the simple fact that communities can choose to leave servers that have become unsuitable to hosting them (like we’ve already seen with some of the star trek comms leaving .world…i think that’s the server they left?), it becomes more difficult for power tripping admins or mods to utterly ruin communities. it still causes major disruptions, of course, but i think it’s a decent trade-off!
having already seen that part of the design in action; I’m really not that worried about lemmy turning into reddit.
what’s much more concerning is eventually being overrun by sophisticated, hostile discourse manipulators like bot and troll farms. (if we ever get big enough to attract those…)
while decentralization provides resilience against enemies within, I’m not so sure it does the same for enemies without: coordinating bot defense and using proper authentication for end-users to ensure that the people talking are actually, you know, people, is probably going to be extremely challenging… eventually, at least…
Rare user from feddit.it 🇮🇹
feels like there was a missed opportunity there
Could be fedd.it was already taken
Seems like it is… by feddit.it.
To late now though as federation doesnt like domain changes i believe. Even though feddit.de > feddit.org migration seemed pretty seamless.
The fediverse has been feeling really good lately. It’s actually getting hard to scroll to the end of the frontpage.
This doesn’t seem to be hoping for unlimited growth but rather that is has stagnated and is even falling. That can kill a community especially when it is as small as it is
You see decline. What I see is that a remarkable number of users have remained.
Agreed, so much is stacked against us, these numbers show we are serious about making alternative communities.
I agree except it feels like people are way more active here than on reddit, me personally I never commented but I comment all the time on here. Lemmy feels really active even without a ton of users (especially discussion threads)
That is true because the individual engagement is much higher in a smaller community. On reddit you’d just be one of thousands shouting into the void. It also helps that Lemmy pushes new comments to the top.
That said, it is unfortunate that this only applies to very general spaces or some specific communities. If your interest is even a little too niche, the dedicated communities often feel like a graveyard unfortunately.
its probably due to self-censorship because subs, and reddit is ready to ban you at the moments notice for saying something they think its violating the rules(misconstruing) and not do actually violating by being vitrolitic, or bigotic. you have to be careful what you say on reddit.
probably went back the mainstream ones like reddit, and the others, assuming you wernt banned in any of those platforms permananetly.
Anecdotally, it doesn’t feel like the experience is contracting, or part of a shrinking community. It’s worth asking what the data means, and whether it’s bad, but there are definitely other reasonable factors too. Users from interoperable platforms like mastodon and piefed, individual people using fewer accounts, or even fewer lurkers, could be responsible for a good chunk of the data.
it kinda shrank after lemmy.ee went down, because they moved scattered to piefed,etc. and also blocking people too.
And yet the graph is going down…
Nah its basically stable. Green is monthly which fluctuates with seasons (more people in northern hemisphere and spend more time online in winter months). The blue line is yearly rolling average and the initial spike takes a long time to work though giving impression of gradual decline.
People have started using Piefed insted of Lemmy, but I’m not sure we should throw away hope for the fediverse because of that.
PieFed and Mbin are both different implementations of the ActivityPub Protocol just like Lemmy. Although I doubt this graph includes either of them, despite how many left Lemmy for Piefed when Lemm.ee went down.
I looked and PieFed adds another ~1600 monthly active users and Mbin a further ~700 to the mix. PieFed starts out its chart with single digit user counts and ends with three orders of magnitude growth, so definitely not flat at all, though stable over the last few months.
Poefed is part of the Fediverse so surely it’s still a good thing overall?
It’s all or nothing baby! Let’s burn it down if something isn’t perfect from day one.
People will come in waves, some will share the same mindset and others will seek out more dopamine centric engagement.
This is actually pretty good user retention. Most platforms bleed way more users after a surge in sign ups (eg Mastodon, Pixelfed, Threads, Bluesky).
Did Mastodon ever have users? Lol.
they most likely went back to the original platforms they came on, reddit, X,tiktok.
[Pretending Fedidb/Fediobserver data or account #s accurately represents valuable conversations between real people when I just blocked 6 accounts by the same guy in the last 15 minutes for fun voice] Considering everyone is making a constant attempt to drive others away and be a pedantic freak, should this surprise anyone? The people who came here because they want more reddit, or to be admins of a subreddit, are not very good people, folks, they’re not sending their best
