• gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    211·
    13 hours ago

    Yeah, we need more users. The fediverse/lemmy is stagnating in content because we don’t have enough people with niche interests. It’s mostly US-centered politics; we need more stuff from around the world. Fediverse/lemmy needs more users.

        • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
          5·
          10 hours ago

          The worst of the trolls seem to get bored and move on.

          Most of the posts here have good intentions and the admins are trying to keep things good

        • madjo@feddit.nlEnglish
          11·
          9 hours ago

          Do we? Why do we need the niche communities?

          Reddit didn’t start with them either. Neither did Digg.

          • Skavau@piefed.socialEnglish
            3·
            9 hours ago

            Well, no, the site doesn’t /need/ them as such but 100% it’s a major issue for people coming over. Their hobbies are represented on Reddit. But not on here.

  • HugeNerd@lemmy.caEnglish
    3·
    13 hours ago

    Don’t forget “conspiracist” : fluoridated because Russia wants to weaken our sperm

  • thorhop@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    42·
    22 hours ago

    Let’s talk about the Overton window.

    At some point in time, the major social platforms will fuck up - probably by way of AI - and end up in a collective scandal that gives people a bad taste in their mouthes.

    At that point y’all better have your talking points, framing, concepts and schpiel at the ready, because it’ll be another chance to adopt even more users. So let me stress a couple of things:

    You win more bees with honey, you should be more concerned about peoples wellbeing than your own opinion and start collecting valuable, objective and giving accounts - be they international, but most preferably local - across the fediverse to share with new users.

    AGAIN!! You being a toxic little shit will repell people. If you REALLY CARE about GETTING PEOPLE OFF OF PREDATORY CORPORATE PLATFORMS plz be mindful, kind, shower, groom, keep your inside humor to your inside group, learn some rhetoric to improve your communication skills and remember:

    👏 you 👏 win 👏 more 👏 bees 👏 with 👏 honey

    Being on your A-game does not mean Asshole-game. Plz do not stink up the place.

    • P1k1e@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      18 hours ago

      This certainly needs to be said and I know exactly what your talking about, but lets be real here. This is an online space, it’s always gonna have that element to it.

      I’m personally very excited to have more folks flow in from reddit tho.

      • thorhop@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        1·
        11 hours ago

        I’m personally very excited to have more folks flow in from reddit tho.

        That would definitely stink up the place. But… I have a plan.

        We need to come up with a new SSO for the fediverse, one that has an OPAD that only yields a code if it doesn’t detect BO.

    • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
      2·
      10 hours ago

      Meaningfully no :)

      that line to the left would just sit there near 0 and squiggle :)

  • Honytawk@feddit.nlEnglish
    385·
    24 hours ago

    Probably because >50% of the posts on here are about depressing American politics

  • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
    9·
    19 hours ago

    Who is the real competitor? The people who are fed up with Reddit, where do they go to for discussions?

    • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
      3·
      10 hours ago

      Depends on your guidelines for competitors. Just discussion, discord, x, bluesky, Facebook, Mastodon, many suck it up and go back to Reddit.

    • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      121·
      17 hours ago

      Bluesky?

      I imagine most people just want a replacement website, and think it was just one bad CEO and not enshittification. That’s why the Linux users and leftists; we’ve been on the losing side of network effects before.

  • Microw@piefed.zipEnglish
    181·
    1 day ago

    Should aggregate number of Lemmy and Piefed users (and maybe Mbin, NodeBB too), and see if the graph looks very different then

    • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyzEnglish
      3·
      21 hours ago

      If your model depends on users coming from lemmy, you’re going to run out of users just the same.

      • Microw@piefed.zipEnglish
        8·
        19 hours ago

        If we factor all these softwares in together, the user amount might be steady or even climbing upwards. While this curve in OP is currently going down.

    • abbotsbury@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      12 hours ago

      Unfortunately there is a handful of “power users” spamming low quality memes in all 10 communities they created, every day.

      • FosterMolasses@leminal.spaceEnglish
        51·
        19 hours ago

        Fr. I shared a meme the other day and was staring at New for about 10 minutes to see if it would get removed… then I remembered “This is Lemmy” lol

        You could try to upload a pic on r/Pics and it would get autoremoved for “Having the wrong amount of pixels”, and if you fixed it and messaged a mod they’d tell you “Actually we no longer accept .jpegs or .pngs. WebP only. Also, this is now considered a repost.” I’m barely exaggerating.

      • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
        12·
        23 hours ago

        they are all on reddit, where all the addiction is, and plus alot of the supermods seemed to be associated with the admins or is an admin themselves.

    • Bjarne@feddit.orgEnglish
      4·
      14 hours ago

      So much this^. No where else did have I gotten more thoughtful and well written responses to my few questions I have raised on [email protected]. It “only” has 3.88k subscribers but those who are there are really cool. ~Wish I could be of more help there as well.~ In times where most of search results on the web are AI generated it really is worth a lot. Wouldn’t want it any other way and think that having more might actually be counter productive.

    • yarr@feddit.nlEnglish
      15·
      23 hours ago

      Well, this is really going to tank our quarterly report. What do you think the shareholders are going to say?!

    • Damage@feddit.itEnglish
      501·
      1 day ago

      Yeah. And we don’t need to attract the MOST people, just the BEST people

      • Asidonhopo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        52·
        1 day ago

        I might be in the minority but I’m entirely comfortable with moderate explosive growth, it hasn’t hurt bluesky one bit. Especially since explosive growth here implies reddit is dying.

        • Damage@feddit.itEnglish
          7·
          24 hours ago

          Personally I’d prefer to avoid reddit-ification, it had become very bad in the last few years

          • 9bananas@feddit.orgEnglish
            52·
            22 hours ago

            i do agree with the sentiment, but i think we’re largely okay on that front:

            among the big problems with reddit for the past, say, 10-ish years, was the consolidation of subreddit moderation in relatively few, extremely influential mods. some of which where widely known to be assholes of one kind or another…

            the very design of lemmy provides a kind of natural resistance to this phenomenon by spreading communities over many distinct servers, with distinct admins and moderation teams.

            it’s by no means perfect, but the simple fact that communities can choose to leave servers that have become unsuitable to hosting them (like we’ve already seen with some of the star trek comms leaving .world…i think that’s the server they left?), it becomes more difficult for power tripping admins or mods to utterly ruin communities. it still causes major disruptions, of course, but i think it’s a decent trade-off!

            having already seen that part of the design in action; I’m really not that worried about lemmy turning into reddit.

            what’s much more concerning is eventually being overrun by sophisticated, hostile discourse manipulators like bot and troll farms. (if we ever get big enough to attract those…)

            while decentralization provides resilience against enemies within, I’m not so sure it does the same for enemies without: coordinating bot defense and using proper authentication for end-users to ensure that the people talking are actually, you know, people, is probably going to be extremely challenging… eventually, at least…

    • Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      96·
      2 days ago

      The fediverse has been feeling really good lately. It’s actually getting hard to scroll to the end of the frontpage.

    • RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      196·
      2 days ago

      This doesn’t seem to be hoping for unlimited growth but rather that is has stagnated and is even falling. That can kill a community especially when it is as small as it is

        • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          1·
          17 hours ago

          Agreed, so much is stacked against us, these numbers show we are serious about making alternative communities.

      • starelfsc2@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        101·
        1 day ago

        I agree except it feels like people are way more active here than on reddit, me personally I never commented but I comment all the time on here. Lemmy feels really active even without a ton of users (especially discussion threads)

        • Hubi@feddit.orgEnglish
          1·
          12 hours ago

          That is true because the individual engagement is much higher in a smaller community. On reddit you’d just be one of thousands shouting into the void. It also helps that Lemmy pushes new comments to the top.

        • airbornestar@lemmy.zipEnglish
          9·
          1 day ago

          That said, it is unfortunate that this only applies to very general spaces or some specific communities. If your interest is even a little too niche, the dedicated communities often feel like a graveyard unfortunately.

        • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
          41·
          1 day ago

          its probably due to self-censorship because subs, and reddit is ready to ban you at the moments notice for saying something they think its violating the rules(misconstruing) and not do actually violating by being vitrolitic, or bigotic. you have to be careful what you say on reddit.

      • nfh@lemmy.worldEnglish
        19·
        1 day ago

        Anecdotally, it doesn’t feel like the experience is contracting, or part of a shrinking community. It’s worth asking what the data means, and whether it’s bad, but there are definitely other reasonable factors too. Users from interoperable platforms like mastodon and piefed, individual people using fewer accounts, or even fewer lurkers, could be responsible for a good chunk of the data.

      • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
        3·
        1 day ago

        probably went back the mainstream ones like reddit, and the others, assuming you wernt banned in any of those platforms permananetly.

      • BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        34·
        2 days ago

        Nah its basically stable. Green is monthly which fluctuates with seasons (more people in northern hemisphere and spend more time online in winter months). The blue line is yearly rolling average and the initial spike takes a long time to work though giving impression of gradual decline.

      • Ekky@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        27·
        2 days ago

        People have started using Piefed insted of Lemmy, but I’m not sure we should throw away hope for the fediverse because of that.

        • Dave@lemmy.nzEnglish
          7·
          1 day ago

          Poefed is part of the Fediverse so surely it’s still a good thing overall?

        • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
          4·
          1 day ago

          PieFed and Mbin are both different implementations of the ActivityPub Protocol just like Lemmy. Although I doubt this graph includes either of them, despite how many left Lemmy for Piefed when Lemm.ee went down.

          I looked and PieFed adds another ~1600 monthly active users and Mbin a further ~700 to the mix. PieFed starts out its chart with single digit user counts and ends with three orders of magnitude growth, so definitely not flat at all, though stable over the last few months.

        • maam@feddit.ukEnglish
          4·
          1 day ago

          It’s all or nothing baby! Let’s burn it down if something isn’t perfect from day one.

      • Sunforged@lemmy.mlEnglish
        8·
        2 days ago

        People will come in waves, some will share the same mindset and others will seek out more dopamine centric engagement.

      • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
        4·
        10 hours ago

        Messy, the peaks are from when Reddit did stupid shit or when bots where rampant, there’s no one taking out ads, app stores aren’t promoting us, this is all organic traffic. I think we’re pretty healthy honestly. There’s still a little flux, some churn right at the top as people who need those niche communities still flirt with reddit.

        I tried to stand up a couple of channels for games I was playing, most of my contributions were met with nothing or downvotes and no reasons so I just changed servers and let them go.

      • Of the Air (cele/celes)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        1·
        7 hours ago

        What we’re saying is that spikes in growth are not the ‘best’ thing and sometimes they fall off.

        Having some people that stay regardless is what we want, even if it looks like a decline. These things come in waves.

        The worst thing about fedi though is there’s not enough safe places or mod tools for keeping marginalised folks safe, there’s still a heavy culture of bigotry, people not wanting to examine their own biases etc. That’s a big reason why folks leave.