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    Gen X here…. After arguing and having many disagreements with many many boomers over the years, we are not the same. While I have had similar disagreements with younger generations they are fundamentally different because we are old enough to see the mistakes the boomers made but young enough to see the world is very much different and that rampant capitalism and greed is often the blame. Case in point, student loans. I am all for all education should be free and things like crippling student debt should not be a thing. Every boomer I have talked to still thinks either education should be a privilege or that you should be able to put yourself through college and get a masters working at McDonalds or Walmart.

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      Boomers think it was normal. Genx look back with “holy shit why was that allowed”

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      They don’t even think that though. If they wanted McDonald’s to pay enough for school, they wouldn’t aggressively oppose any attempt to raise the wage

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        Or more likely they think school still costs $1000 a semester which is what they paid for there kids (me included… since my parents were boomers) to attend college. Not the 80k it cost to send one of my kids through school. Want proof? Go ask any boomer what college costs now.

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      I’m an older millennial on the cusp of being GenX.

      You guys definitely aren’t the same as Boomers. Some similarities, but not enough to be grouped in with them.

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      I don’t think they understand how demanding studying at university is. That shit is not like high school, where going to class was enough to get by.

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    And, at last, it finally happened: we’ve been bundled with boomers. The forgotten generation, just lumped in with the old fuckers. My back hurts.

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      The forgotten generation, just lumped in with the old fuckers.

      I don’t even think you’re being “bundled” per say. You’re just living long enough to take the generic “Old People Ruined Everything” flak that internet click-baiters loves to saturate younger people with. On the flip side, you’re now reaching the era in which every TV Show, radio program, and mega-mall marketing team thinks the 1980s was the peak of human civilization. So enjoy being sheep dipped in Reagan Era nostalgia for a decade or two.

      My back hurts.

      Back aching builds character, or so I’ve been told.

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        What’s scary is that some people are conflating what they see on stranger things with the real 80s. People over here definitely didn’t have the means to buy all that

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          What we see on Stranger Things is just advertisements for IP from the 1980s. Everything from Ghostbusters to Neverending Story to D&D is just a brand name. Hell, the centerpiece of Season 4 was a mega-mall.

          It’s history through the eyes of Madison Avenue. Great if your goal is to recycle period kitche at obscene mark-ups. Which… in fairness… was the design philosophy of much of 1980s mass media.

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      Get used to it. No generation seems to understand that they too will grow old and be reviled by the next generations. It has ever been so.

      Grandpa Simpson was always right about “It.” We once had “It”, then we lost “It”, and now we can’t even remember what “It” was.

      ***This response was helpfully generated by ChatKittytm my very old Orange Boomer Kitty Cat.

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        The oldest Millennials are about 43 right now, “over the hill” and it hurts, it hurts (mostly lower back and knees)

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          Ahhhh, you ain’t old yet. I got tennis shoes older than you. Literally. I still have a pair of original Converse tennis shoes I bought when I was playing basketball in high school back in the 1970s. Why I still have them, I don’t know. But they are still in my closet along with a slide rule I used for math classes.

          That’s a good indication of old age. Having things and memories that were once commonplace, but are now totally obsolete.

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      Or what, you’ll act moody, disconnected, and do nothing? I’d add sit in the corner to the list but we all know your knees can’t take sitting on the floor anymore.

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            Not if she was a teenager in 1993 (her first on-screen appearance in Beavis and Butthead). There’s a surprising amount of discussion about it online I won’t recap here but there’s passion on both sides lol

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        I’ve always thought the boomer/millennial whining was people of the exact same personality being insufferable to each other, just throwing down inane stereotypes while being emotionally immature and unable to be decent people.

        Every age group has people like that, of course. I just get tired of having to watch it play out constantly online. So just shut the fuck up and do some good in the world. Instead of griping about people, show us something inspirational that you’ve done. Be the example of what you want other people to be.

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          You have a great sentiment that I whole heartedly agree with.

          There is just one problem I see: the word “do.”

          Everyone wants to bitch, piss, and moan. But, very, very few are willing to “do” anything meaningful about the need for “do” in their community. It’s always someone else’s job or I don’t have time or I could never do that.

          I’m an old boomer now. I’ve spent my time “doing” things for my community because those things needed to be done and no other people wanted to do them. I just want Millennials, GenX, and GenY or Z step into these things and bring their skills and perspectives to our community. We need them. And I just want to finish the remaining 10 years or so of my life and fade quietly away. But that hasn’t happened yet, I have a Township Board meeting this Thursday evening…

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      Yeah, but then you’ll complain that no one pays attention to you.

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        Seriously this. We have too many boomers as-is. Knock that shit off. You’re ruining everything for future generations with your selfishness. (Hell, anyone younger than you has it harder, thanks to you and especially your parents constantly voting against their best interests.)

        Edit: Yeah sure, just downvote and hide. Typical Gen X behavior.

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          Accept these downvotes with pride.

          Genx has a deeply seated victim complex.

          Someone was saying the generations slipped over politically but they actual hold 41% of house seats, that’s more than boomers and almost three times millennials at 15%.

          Less represented on the senate (28%) but still second place behind boomers (61%).

          It was clear over a decade ago that genx would not be better than the boomers.

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      As a GenX (xennial actually), no… GenX needs to start being held accountable for the all the shit going on in this world. They are not above reproach, and it’s high time we all call them out on their narcissistic bullshit.

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        “Narcissistic bullshit” is intergenerational. In fact, it has nothing to do with age. So you’re going to hold Gen X “accountable”…? Geezus fuck off. Go hold the pre-WWII generation accountable, or 19nth Century people, or the Roman Empire era folks… This whole generational gripe-fest that some of you espouse is just aimless trendy nonsense. I don’t respect it.

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          It’s exact opposite of a trend. The younger generations criticizing the older ones for not living up to their responsibilities has been just as much a constant throughout human history as the older generations criticizing the younger ones for being lazy by their parents’ definition.

          The world sucks, as usual, and by now Gen X are old enough to be in charge. It’s sensible to call them out, just like in a decade or two it’ll be sensible to call out the Millennials for the same thing.

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            “Old enough to be in charge” is not the same as “in charge.”

            Clinton, Bush 2, Obama and Trump are all Boomers. Biden is Silent Generation.

            Gen X is smaller than Boomers and Millennials. We have always known we were going to be passed over in governmental power dynamics.

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              There are more gen x in congress than millenials, so good job just proving the victim complex…

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            First paragraph: yeah!
            Second paragraph negates the first. You want change? Go for it. Yelling at old people ain’t gonna get you any changes. You gotta do it yourself. I remember in college, a long time ago, people in my age group lobbing the exact same complaints how grandma and grandpa didn’t make the world better for them. They complained, yet didn’t put much effort to changing anything, particularly in voter turnout. But if you look at the creeping tide of history, you’ll find things ever so slowly getting better in a bunch of different ways. The newer generations are never handed a utopia, but are certainly welcome to work at creating one.

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              Blaming old people is a defining trait of the young. When young, I remember blaming my parents for bringing me into this world that didn’t give me the things I wanted easily.

              Maturing as an adult means taking responsibility for yourself, and doing the things you can do to improve your situation.

              Of course one can keep blaming old people for everything until you’re old enough to be blamed, if that’s your jam.

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              Oh, I am aware that this dynamic doesn’t quite work. Both sides of the equation get it almost, but not entirely, right. Because getting it right is challenging.

              The older generations do get lazy as soon as their own needs are met, especially those of them who wield power. And that doesn’t just mean politicians but also CEOs, large investors, etc. Working for the common good is difficult and most people follow the path of least resistance, leading to the dynamics young people complain about.

              But young people fall prey to the very same dynamic. It’s easier to get disillusioned and complain on the internet than to consistently go out and exert pressure. Sure, maybe they go on a protest march or two but few have the energy to consistently go on marches, be active in politics, stay on top of which companies are toxic, openly defy the law, and do a myriad other things that don’t directly benefit them in order to fight for a better world. You can do that if you’re rich and isolated from consequence but in that case your life is cushy already so you’d be fighting for abstract principles.

              There are few people of the caliber of Bernie Sanders or Greta Thunberg because it’s really hard and carries a real risk of ruining their own life. Most people who do try end up like the people who glue themselves to highways: They get ridiculed and fined and effect no change whatsoever.

              So for most people all that remains is resignation. Gen X said “whatever” when they weren’t listened to because they weren’t willing to sacrifice their personal future to escalate things until change is inevitable. Millennials say “OK Boomer” as they find themselves in the same situation for the same reason.

              (I’ll gloss over the “young people are lazy” part but it boils down to young people actually being lazy in terms of failing to apply themselves in ways the older people did, with the caveat that some of those ways no longer apply and young people are applying themselves in new ways the older people don’t realize are necessary now. This perception dynamic is at least as old as recorded history.)

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            Get some class and material analysis. This neoliberal, metaphysical (that’s just the way the world is) bullshit is so tiring. Older generations are not the cause of your problems, the ruling class is and you are doing free labor for them right now.

            Call out people sure, but pretending like this is the eternal cycle of society and that older people just suck is wild.

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      I know, right?

      For a while it looked like everyone was just going to stick with calling the older folks boomers and the younger folks millenials, but I guess some intelligence leaked through into the “futile generational hate” machine.

      Is every generation working to make things better than it was? No! Clearly the old folks don’t want the young ones to have anything good, otherwise the world wouldn’t have any problems by now!

      Just give yourself some more years, time for life experiences, and to be shocked and apalled when you learn how hard it can be to coordinate a group of people who all want the same outcomes to a concentrated cooperative effective course of action. Hell, how hard it can be to get them to even agree on the same path to the desired outcome.

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        They bitch about group assignments but don’t realize that it’s all group assignments and that the school version is easy mode where there’s an authority figure to punish the shitheads and cheaters.

        When we’re talking about the general population it’s highschool mentality forever. Higher intelligence/maturity really only shows on the individual level.

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          Zoomers fell off so hard. Man, we were cheering for y’all so much, and you biffed it. And I’m not naive, I don’t think a single generation was going to save the world, but damn… I guess the progressive, radical buck stopped at Zillennials.

          (I am responding to your comment but not directing this comment at you)

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            For real… All the information in the world, and still going to blame millenials? The mind boggles.

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    What the fuck is up with all of the generational hate memes lately. Fuck off with that shit. Literally exactly what billionaires want you to fight about rather than realizing there’s no fucking difference between any generation.

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      I want to counterbalance the hate with something cool. Do you know what the fastest growing demographic of gamers is? People over 50. People are legit taking the time they have now that their kids have grown up and picking up video gaming. Its honestly cool and speaks to both the accessibility of gaming these days and people’s general desire to try new things

      Granted a subset of these over 50 year old gamers may have been gamers their entire lives, but gaming was pretty niche in the 80s and 90s, and didn’t really become mainstream until the early 2000s, and even then it was seen as pretty dorky and geeky

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    I like old people who argue that they didn’t wear seat belts, sat in the cargo area of a wagon and say heavy old cars are safer. It’s like we know better but because they did it it’s okay. Don’t they realize that you use the knowledge as the advantages you’ved learned in order to make live better?

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      These are the same people who constantly pull the ladder up behind them, so it fits. They were miserable, so now you have to be miserable.

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            Actually both of those were boomers. The original format was created by a baby boomer and the Real World was too. Gen X just watched MTV growing up.

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              We also watched it fall apart while we were growing up.

              I remember when M2 debuted with the idea that it would just play music videos, you know … like MTV used to.

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                I didn’t mind when MTV stopped playing music; Rob & Big, Viva la Bam, and Pimp my Ride were very entertaining and helped define my latter teenage years. The day MTV2 just became just MTV with rearranged timeslots was the beginning of the end. And now MTV is just The Ridiculousness Network now. It’s practically the only thing they air these days.

                screenshot of the MTV schedule, depicting a near-endless lineup of Ridiculousness episodes back-to-back, with the only other content being a few other reality shows and a handful of movies.

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              To be clear, MTV/VH1 were created by one ot the Beatles. Definitely boomer gen.

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            Boomers and probably gen x, ironically enough. All the founders with given DoBs are either the silent gen or boomers and the guy who was head of programming during the sixteen and pregnant era is either gen x or aging very differently from the rest of us

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            Maybe you could define gen x by still watching TV in 2025 … 🤔 Millennials the last ones watching traditional TV and then going to online only.

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    Kids these days don’t even squash coins on the train tracks.

    Still, they’ve got dodgy Temu e-bikes to kill themselves on now.

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    I’m mid GenX, and frequently have to trot out the saying, “regulations are written in the blood of innocents” to people a lot more ignorant than I am. And I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed.